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[codyjarret]

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[atrox]

Nice. I have always really liked the old vented T75's and this video proves just how good they are. I used to have a cab with vented T75's and one with original G12-65's and i honestly had to listen very hard to tell the difference.

Isolated, i like the GB the best, but i feel the T75 would cut best. The Wizard has every quality i despise.


Edit: ooops yeah.. .the T75 is not vented. My bad. Still sounds great. One of my old Marshall 412's has old T75's not vented that sound great too.

 

[SpiderWars]

I liked the Greenback most. That G12T-75 in the pic is not vented, I don't know the side-by-side difference between that one and a vented one. The G12T-75 was a clear second for me and the Wizard was a far, far distant third. Did not really like the Wizard in this clip. I'm disappointed in you Michael, I thought you made EVERYTHING sound good!

Playing was awesome as always.

And for those who, like me, can't see any embedded youtube links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTIYV3PHV0c

 

[FourT6and2]

On its own, I like the G12T-75 in this clip more. But in a mix, I know the Greenback will sound better. The Eminence sounds like crap.

 

[codyjarret]

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[atrox]

Nice. I have always really liked the old vented T75's and this video proves just how good they are. I used to have a cab with vented T75's and one with original G12-65's and i honestly had to listen very hard to tell the difference.

Isolated, i like the GB the best, but i feel the T75 would cut best. The Wizard has every quality i despise.


Edit: ooops yeah.. .the T75 is not vented. My bad. Still sounds great. One of my old Marshall 412's has old T75's not vented that sound great too.

Thank you for commenting.
I really like the Wizard speakers but the funny thing is with the Eminence Wizards is that they are band new and that they're not even broken-in yet.
I hope they sound a little warmer once they're broken in tho.
I have the old vented 75's as well but didn't use them in this video. IMHO, they don't sound all that much different from the 75's I used in this video.
 

i agree. My current JCM800 1960 Marshall has old, but not vented T75's. There is a slight difference, but the mids are still not as neutral as the current iteration of T75.

 

[codyjarret]

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[codyjarret]

On its own, I like the G12T-75 in this clip more. But in a mix, I know the Greenback will sound better. The Eminence sounds like crap.

Thank you for commenting, you're opinion is very helpful to me.

I think I should have waited until the Wizards were properly broken in first before making the clip.

 

[Luca79]

Greenbacks.

 

[FourT6and2]

On its own, I like the G12T-75 in this clip more. But in a mix, I know the Greenback will sound better. The Eminence sounds like crap.

Thank you for commenting, you're opinion is very helpful to me.

I think I should have waited until the Wizards were properly broken in first before making the clip.

My opinion probably means very little. But I think speaker break-in is a myth. Someone did a test and posted to YT (I linked the video in another thread somewhere) where they compared the same speaker when new, after 1-hour, after 24-hours, and so on... of break-in. There was zero difference. Same mic placement. Same amp. Same guitar DI track, etc. I think a lot of the "differences" and "nuances" we all THINK we hear are really just psychosomatic. In other words, it's all in our heads.

What's my point?

If a speaker sounds bad when new, break-in probably isn't going to help much lol.

 

[marcus262]

I found this video, and I think I can hear the difference, mainly in bass and high end

I checked freq. response in reaper, and it is different in bass (around 200-300 hz), low mid 700hz , 2K and 7K mainly.
it would have been more accurate if he used a loop.

 

[FourT6and2]

I found this video, and I think I can hear the difference, mainly in bass and high end

I checked freq. response in reaper, and it is different in bass (around 200-300 hz), low mid 700hz , 2K and 7K mainly.
it would have been more accurate if he used a loop.

This one is done a little better, methinks.

And if you need an FFT or audio analyzer to be able to tell if there's a difference, then whatever. If you can't hear it with your ears, does it really exist in this relative context?

 

[codyjarret]

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[D-Rock]

I liked the smooth mids and juicy thick bottom from the T75s. Especially with an inherently mid voiced amp like Marshall.

 

[jape23]

They all sound really good to me. On first listen, if I had to choose one of them, I would go with the Wizard. It gives you more clarity, more focused bottom end without sacrificing any of the awesome tone that amp delivers.

 

[Kelly]

Wow, not one vote so far for the Eminence Wizard. The problem with the Wizard speaker maybe isn't the break-in factor but is probably the fact I used the same mic placement for each and the Wizard needs a different mic placement to sound good. Maybe this sound clip I just made with the adjusted mic placement might get it one vote.

That clip sounds much better. In a band context, I'd take the Wizard or Greenback all day over the 75. The 75s get totally lost in the mix, and you end up running your rig way louder than necessary to hear yourself, IMHO. In the room (as well as your second clip), the Wizard isn't as nasally as the first clip seems to be. Great clips, as always.

 

[codyjarret]

I liked the smooth mids and juicy thick bottom from the T75s. Especially with an inherently mid voiced amp like Marshall.

Thank you Bro, I appreciate the feed back on the vid.

 

[codyjarret]

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[D-Rock]

The Wizard is a cool speaker, but it's just too "up front" sounding for me with such a high efficiency. Good for live jamming with a band, but not what I would choose for a recording tone if I also had Greenbacks and G12T75s on hand.

As guitarists we love mids, so we end up having a middy pickup, and a mid boosted and voiced amp and middy speakers. If not careful, it's easy to just end up creating a wash of mids which can sometimes envelop the other freqs. (This coming from a staunch Marshall and V30 user)

Again, I hear no bad tones in this thread, just a case of personal experience/opinion for your consideration.