A MESSAGE TO ALL AMPLIFIER BUILDERS: PLEASE READ

[RedB4Black]

How do you like the Uberschall clips on the Bogner site?

...and have you done clips of your Baron yet?

The clips on the Bogner site sound pretty good. I see yours there on there I will be glad to listen again when I get home

Baron Clips are on the clips section. That was my first time micing up the amp. I plan on doing more as soon as I can make more DIs.

I don't have clips there. Bob's clips are there. Just stirring the shit storm.

I must have missed the Baron clips. I'll check them out tonight. I'm real interested in the KT88 model.

 

[Bob Savage]

I don't have clips there. Bob's clips are there. Just stirring the shit storm.

Henson, Henderson, it's all the same.

I also have Shiva and Ecstasy clips up there, and Alchemist video. Greg was about 15 when those were first posted.

 

[lolzgreg]

I also have Shiva and Ecstasy clips up there, and Alchemist video. Greg was about 15 when those were first posted.

Lucky I didn't have enough money to consider buying a Bogner when I was 15

 

[glassjaw7]

I always liked Bob's Uber clips (as I told him earlier today )
First clips that made me want a Bogner

 

[Anonymous]

It's okay, I understand where you're coming from. I appreciate the mojo.

Yeah, like I said, I hope this works out well for ya...

Regardless, my point is, a single tracked guitar recorded by someone who doesn't scrutinize their recording technique is not going to have the same affect on a company's potential customer base than one that is recorded with high-caliber gear by someone who will move a microphone a pin-sized amount to get the amp to sound "just right."

Now see... we were doing so well and then you're headed in the wrong direction again. Who said anything about single tracked guitar or not scrutinizing recording technique. I assure you that many folks around here can make an amp sound good and accurate in a mix as well as just a single tracked guitar. I'm sure these folks scrutinize their recording technique as well, but as I said, it ain't exactly rocket science if you have some decent equipment, know your way around a DAW and have decent ears. I can't imagine a pin-sized mic movement doing anything frankly...

I'm sure I will get at least a few takers. I'm sure after the people who didn't take up the offer hear what I did for the people who did send me their amps, they'll send them to me to. I can only hope so, at least. Shipping an amp to me is no risk to anyone. Once I give and address and phone number, it would be easy to find me! I have plenty of contacts that know I'm a stand up fellow.

Shipping an amp is always a risk.

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

BTW fellers, well done while I was away! This is one of my Thread of the Year candidates for sure.

Steve

 

[killertone]

I haaaaate re-amping. Just throwing that out there.

 

[JTyson]

I haaaaate re-amping. Just throwing that out there.

me too.

 

[lolzgreg]

Why do you hate reamping?

 

[headlessdeadguy]

Just give it up Greg.... You're alright. Dont let any of these guys bring you down.

You're fighting a losing battle.

 

[EXPcustom]

Why do you hate reamping?

Just my 2 cents...

If I remember correctly they did not really do re-amping till the mid 90's and I never heard a great sounding track from any album that had the guitars "re-amped" that I am aware of.

Nothing beats a great live recorded guitar sound never saw what all the re-amping hype was about but I am open to it.

 

[Anonymous]

Why do you hate reamping?

Just my 2 cents...

If I remember correctly they did not really do re-amping till the mid 90's and I never heard a great sounding track from any album that had the guitars "re-amped" that I am aware of.

Nothing beats a great live recorded guitar sound never saw what all the re-amping hype was about but I am open to it.

I bet if I put up 3 of my clips, you won't be able to tell which were reamped and which weren't.

Steve

 

[K Odell]

Why do you hate reamping?

Just my 2 cents...

If I remember correctly they did not really do re-amping till the mid 90's and I never heard a great sounding track from any album that had the guitars "re-amped" that I am aware of.

Nothing beats a great live recorded guitar sound never saw what all the re-amping hype was about but I am open to it.

I bet if I put up 3 of my clips, you won't be able to tell which were reamped and which weren't.

Steve

Yea goodcall. Now a days most everything is reamped. Just bc it can be a real lifesaver in the studio.

 

[lolzgreg]

Why do you hate reamping?

Just my 2 cents...

If I remember correctly they did not really do re-amping till the mid 90's and I never heard a great sounding track from any album that had the guitars "re-amped" that I am aware of.

Nothing beats a great live recorded guitar sound never saw what all the re-amping hype was about but I am open to it.

Just about every modern production you hear is probably reamped.

This is how you do it:

Guitar->DI box->one signal goes to mixer, other to an amp, OR you use an amp simulator on the computer that works in post processing (does not affect the recorded track). If you're running studio monitors, that's where you can get your acoustic feedback for long note holds. You can even crank a pair of headphones and put it next to the pickup for this, if you'd like.

I am 100% sure you would not be able to tell between a reamped and non-reamped track, especially when you have high quality ad/da conversion.

 

[lolzgreg]

You're fighting a losing battle.

Losing battle? Two amplifier manufacturers already contacted me and said they would send me gear to make clips.

 

[JTyson]

Why do you hate reamping?

I'm old school. nothing against you, I just looked at it as another way to go into a studio not having your tone together, and the studio guy " fixes" it for you. I dont really see it as an accurate depiction of a given amp, with a cab miked up properly. However you slice it, it is adding to the original tone. Not that that is always a bad thing, if the end result is better, I just see it as another way to cheat. I think there is too much "fixing" going on in a lot of studios, then when you see them live, the truth comes out. Cant say I've never done it, I have a studio at home with some fairly decent stuff- UAD mic-pres, tascam DM24 digital board, pro-tools on a quad-core Mac, all UAD plug-ins, and a fairly decent range of mikes, but I try to stick with the original tracks as much as possible. I think in the end, its just a better representation of the real thing. I'm not really seeing why an amp manufacturer would want to have a representation of his product reamped so it sounds better than it actually was, but on the other hand, if it wasent all that hot to start with, maybe so. I'm sure it would help move some product, but at some point, people who have a clue would have to wonder why the new amp they just paid for dosent sound quite like the clip, which sounded fantastic. I see the logic in wanting to achieve the best sound possible for any recording, I just dont agree with with the road to get there. But thats just me, I'm just a dumb redneck This was not a shot at you, I wish you the best of luck with your endeavor. I think it would be really cool to do what you are trying to do- rock on

 

[headlessdeadguy]

You're fighting a losing battle.

Losing battle? Two amplifier manufacturers already contacted me and said they would send me gear to make clips.

Maybe you took what I said the wrong way. When I said that you were fighting a losing battle I was refering to arguing with everyone.
I get what you are trying to do and I think it's great.
Rock on and don't worry about what everyone else has to say.

 

[Rufus Leaking]

I really don't get this whole thing. IMO the player is infinitely more important to the quality of a clip then the recording gear or engineer.

If I was trying to bill myself as a great clip maker, my selling point would be my chops first, and the studio quality would just be the icing on the cake...

 

[Digital Jams]

I really don't get this whole thing. IMO the player is infinitely more important to the quality of a clip then the recording gear or engineer.

If I was trying to bill myself as a great clip maker, my selling point would be my chops first, and the studio quality would just be the icing on the cake...

I agree with this 100%, no way would I want to play my amps when I could get Ralph or Carl to do it When it comes to money I know of no attitude

 

[killertone]

Why do you hate reamping?

It defeats the point of a good guitar amp, IMO. What are we all chasing on this forum? A great guitar sound while we are actually playing the guitar. That sound creates a vibe between the player and the amp and when it is just right inspires the player to play at his/her best. As a recording engineer for over 15 years, I would go for a track that has that interaction and emotion in it a million times over one that might sound "better." A very famous producer told me a long time ago that you can never make a bad performance sound good.

From a technical standpoint, I am not a huge fan of converting the guitar signal that many times. Even with high quality converters, it will never be the same as the original signal going in to the amp.

If I were a manufacturer of amplifiers, I would not want a reamped clip to be the representation of my amplifier. Reamping is a very controlled situation, and could possibly misrepresent what the amp can do. I would much rather hear a clip of a live player that dialed in an awesome tone and let it rip. That is how the amp is going to be used the vast majority of the time anyway.

I don't care if I can tell if a guitar amp has been reamped or not, and I don't care how many amps are reamped in the studio these days. I can not stand most modern production (especially metal) these days anyway. It sounds completely fake, and I guess with a completely triggered drumset or computerized drum program and all reamped guitars it kind of is.

To summarize, performance is key. Playing an amp with a great tone inspires the player to play better. Get that and there is absolutely no need to reamp.

This is my opinion and not meant as a jab to anyone. Different strokes for different folks, right?