About the Axe-fx

[Gainfreak]

I guess for the same reason why you post clips after people have negative things to say about the unit


In all honesty, I just wanted people to see why I said what I said about the unit.

There will one coming our way in the very near future Bro and it will spend some quality time in the HOM Lab, lets see what we can come up with after 60 beers and hours of tweak...

If you get one we will put in the time and I will give a full review. Im still guessing that I will dig it more through a poweramp but that's just me

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Looks like Peterson is going for a "round 2" of his blitzkrieg hype campaign at TGP

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=438376

 

[Digital Jams]

Looks like Peterson is going for a "round 2" of his blitzkrieg hype campaign at TGP

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=438376

Saw that last night

I had typed out I gave no credit to the thing until rigtalk got their hands on one but decided not to rile up ma boy Scotty

 

[Gainzilla]

If you get one we will put in the time and I will give a full review. Im still guessing that I will dig it more through a poweramp but that's just me

Oh yeah but Ive been doing alot of reading on this thing lately and my skepticism is all but gone. Like anything else, you get what you put in but I have a feeling that we're going to end up pleasantly surprised... I could be wrong and in that case, the thing gets sold for what I paid, no harm no foul.

If I Was Cliff, Id make an offer to Line6 "Ill sell you my Co. for 10 million dollars and you keep me on for consulting, 250K/yr for 20 years...

 

[duesentrieb]

 

[cliffc8488]

I'll happily send a loaner unit to the HOM for evaluation. I fully believe in the product and stand behind it 100%. Is it the end all, be all? Of course not. But I think people get too caught up on the direct amp modeling sound and overlook everything else.

Direct is never going to sound the same since the cabinet models were obtained via close micing. And going into a FRFR monitor (as we did at the amp show) is using the cabinet modeling. It sounds different than a typical amp but it goes to tape real well and mixes easily. It's the same as having your amp in an isolation booth with a mic on it and listening back in the control room.

If you want that "in the room sound" then simply go into the effects return of your head or use a power amp and traditional speaker. We didn't set it up that way since we were trying to illustrate that it's a complete solution, you can go direct to the PA. In my band I use a VHT power amp and a 4x12 cab because I like the traditional sound, but I send a direct signal to the FOH and the soundmen always rave about the tone.

And people seem to overlook the effects. You're getting effects that are on par or better than almost anything out there with more control and more flexibility.

I feel it's important that people understand this. I'm not sure why Gainfreak has such a personal vendetta against the product, I thought we were more than gracious to him and his entourage but apparently we did something to offend him. Whatever it is I apologize.

CC

 

[Flizzo]

Im still guessing that I will dig it more through a poweramp but that's just me

I'm going on a year and a half with my standard, and came to the same conclusion for live use: The Axe thru a 2/50/2 and cabs sounds phenominal. Strangely, I like recorded tones from the Axe to be direct...once Clawfinger unleashed his arsenal of cab IR's on us, I was hooked.

 

[cliffc8488]

Im still guessing that I will dig it more through a poweramp but that's just me

I'm going on a year and a half with my standard, and came to the same conclusion for live use: The Axe thru a 2/50/2 and cabs sounds phenominal. Strangely, I like recorded tones from the Axe to be direct...once Clawfinger unleashed his arsenal of cab IR's on us, I was hooked.

This is not strange and is exactly what I'm trying to impress upon people. The direct tones are designed for recording, they sit in the mix well. The intended usage of direct is to tape and to FOH. What guitar players like to hear is not the same as what the engineer or producer wants to hear. The guitar player wants his tone big and full. The producer wants the guitar to occupy it's frequency space as this results in a professional recording.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

This is not strange and is exactly what I'm trying to impress upon people. The direct tones are designed for recording, they sit in the mix well. The intended usage of direct is to tape and to FOH. What guitar players like to hear is not the same as what the engineer or producer wants to hear. The guitar player wants his tone big and full. The producer wants the guitar to occupy it's frequency space as this results in a professional recording.

Off topic but if I were you I would tell Scott Peterson to tone it down I think that guy does more harm then good personally for your product over TGP

 

[Gainfreak]

I'll happily send a loaner unit to the HOM for evaluation. I fully believe in the product and stand behind it 100%. Is it the end all, be all? Of course not. But I think people get too caught up on the direct amp modeling sound and overlook everything else.

Direct is never going to sound the same since the cabinet models were obtained via close micing. And going into a FRFR monitor (as we did at the amp show) is using the cabinet modeling. It sounds different than a typical amp but it goes to tape real well and mixes easily. It's the same as having your amp in an isolation booth with a mic on it and listening back in the control room.

If you want that "in the room sound" then simply go into the effects return of your head or use a power amp and traditional speaker. We didn't set it up that way since we were trying to illustrate that it's a complete solution, you can go direct to the PA. In my band I use a VHT power amp and a 4x12 cab because I like the traditional sound, but I send a direct signal to the FOH and the soundmen always rave about the tone.

And people seem to overlook the effects. You're getting effects that are on par or better than almost anything out there with more control and more flexibility.

I feel it's important that people understand this. I'm not sure why Gainfreak has such a personal vendetta against the product, I thought we were more than gracious to him and his entourage but apparently we did something to offend him. Whatever it is I apologize.

CC

Cliff,

I must point out that I have no personal vendetta against you or the company and I think that you guys treated me/us like Gold. The only reason why I posted something like this is because when I made a comment that I didn't like what I heard at the show some people questioned my opinion (which is ok and I truly mean that!). With that said, it is an all to common occurrence when people go against the grain that they get made out to be the bad guy. I started to get people asking me why I had a beef with the company when in fact I did not and I never made any claims to support that. I started getting people asking me why I didn't like what I heard and I posted that video as a reference as where my statements came from. Nothing more or less. I was simply trying to explain my position.

I wish you and fractal all the best and I'm sorry if my opinions were mis-interpreted.

I personally think that you are a class act.

All the best

Ralph

 

[mysticaxe]

Hey Cliff,
Are you in MA?

 

[squealie]

Off topic but if I were you I would tell Scott Peterson to tone it down I think that guy does more harm then good personally for your product over TGP

Scott's thread(s) are what got me going. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Super generous of Cliff to send a box to HOM. But it doesn't suprise me a bit, he's cool as hell, and stands behind his product fiercely.

 

[jaybird]

Hey Cliff,
Are you in MA?

Haha I just asked him the same thing. They are located in Plaistow NH. I am going to drop by someday to check this stuff out! Maybe I'll bring one of my Cameron's along to compare the mid / high gain stuff with since that seems to be one of the biggest ?'s about this box.

 

[GITTarzann]

A question for Cliff.

I have seen this issue discussed and answered in the general sense of "the stock IR's don't sound like an amp in the room".

Is it possible to make truly believable IR's of in the room speaker cabs ?
I know Jay's IR's are supposed to created to be in this fashion, but I can't gel with his IR's for anything but clean/crunch tones.

I like the Cali cab you added, and I use this one with some of Clawfingers IR's for a pretty realistic in the room tone, but I am curious why you haven't specifically made some Fractal IR's that would be for the people who want in the room tones?

Seems if there were a handful of "in the room IR's" stock in the Axe-Fx it could eliminate some of this debate.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Scott's thread(s) are what got me going. I'm sure I'm not alone.

He's out of control imo.

He's so one sided about it (and uses his influence to censor critique on TGP) that his presence necessitates an "anti-Peterson" just to counterbalance his hype campaign.

So what you have is people who will take a stand against the product just because of Scott Peterson. I bet nobody would actively come out and admit it but I firmly believe that this psychology may be coming into play on the various forums to some degree and with *some* individuals, just imo though .

 

[blackba]

Off topic but if I were you I would tell Scott Peterson to tone it down I think that guy does more harm then good personally for your product over TGP

Scott's thread(s) are what got me going. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Super generous of Cliff to send a box to HOM. But it doesn't suprise me a bit, he's cool as hell, and stands behind his product fiercely.

What do you mean got you going? Do you mean annoyed you or made you want to go check one out?

 

[degenaro]

Scott's thread(s) are what got me going. I'm sure I'm not alone.

He's out of control imo.

He's so one sided about it (and uses his influence to censor critique on TGP) that his presence necessitates an "anti-Peterson" just to counterbalance his hype campaign.

So what you have is people who will take a stand against the product just because of Scott Peterson. I bet nobody would actively come out and admit it but I firmly believe that this psychology may be coming into play on the various forums to some degree and with *some* individuals, just imo though .

Let me say somthing about this...
Before I got my Axe I thought at times that Scott was a bit over the top with it.But I tell you what I've seen Scot go through many set-ups, and I get where he's coming from.
Since I started using the Axe as my main set-up. and given I run it through a power amp, and also have the option of running my Flexi with it...I've used the same set-up for longer than any time before.
Prior I used whatever amp I dug that day for show or two, and then grabbed another one of my amps.

Also, about the efx...I had an Eventide Eclipse that I liked well enough, and a G System that I liked just as much. I used the Eventide and the Axe together for a while and the Eclipse became totally superflous. And I sold it. Now as a rule I don' sell gear...

 

[cliffc8488]

The problem with "in the room IR's" is obtaining them. It's nearly impossible which is why the whole technique of close-micing originated. Jay has a special facility where he can obtain them but we don't have access to anything like that. Over time, however, microphones have been tuned for the express purpose of close-micing. This is now the de facto technique that producers prefer.

This is why I designed the Axe-Fx to be able to both feed a traditional setup and go direct to FOH simultaneously. The desires of the player and the producer/engineer/soundman are contradictory.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Let me say somthing about this...
Before I got my Axe I thought at times that Scott was a bit over the top with it.But I tell you what I've seen Scot go through many set-ups, and I get where he's coming from.
Since I started using the Axe as my main set-up. and given I run it through a power amp, and also have the option of running my Flexi with it...I've used the same set-up for longer than any time before.
Prior I used whatever amp I dug that day for show or two, and then grabbed another one of my amps.

Also, about the efx...I had an Eventide Eclipse that I liked well enough, and a G System that I liked just as much. I used the Eventide and the Axe together for a while and the Eclipse became totally superflous. And I sold it. Now as a rule I don' sell gear...

I hear you Ed, I just think that guy has a polarizing effect on some people's perception of it.

He sounds like an infomercial on constant repeat...

 

[degenaro]

Let me say somthing about this...
Before I got my Axe I thought at times that Scott was a bit over the top with it.But I tell you what I've seen Scot go through many set-ups, and I get where he's coming from.
Since I started using the Axe as my main set-up. and given I run it through a power amp, and also have the option of running my Flexi with it...I've used the same set-up for longer than any time before.
Prior I used whatever amp I dug that day for show or two, and then grabbed another one of my amps.

Also, about the efx...I had an Eventide Eclipse that I liked well enough, and a G System that I liked just as much. I used the Eventide and the Axe together for a while and the Eclipse became totally superflous. And I sold it. Now as a rule I don' sell gear...

I hear you Ed, I just think that guy has a polarizing effect on some people's perception of it.

He sounds like an infomercial on constant repeat...

This applies to any one who is very outspoken for or against something. There's only so much folks want to hear bfore they get bored/annoyed.