About the Axe-fx

[squealie]

What do you mean got you going? Do you mean annoyed you or made you want to go check one out?

I read that whole silly thread. Granted, it was shorter 9 months ago. And it made me HAVE to try out the Axe-Fx.

Scott's very vocal. And he's not afraid to make some bold claims. That gets a lot of folks riled up...

I don't have a personal opinion of Scott either way. He's just another bozo on the Internet like the rest of us. His support of the Axe-Fx is very visible, and eventually drew me in. I'm thankful for that. I love my box as much as he loves his. Too bad that so many see that as 'hype', and feel compelled to kneejerk into a negative posture without actually playing one. But it's a common thing. I do my best not to post about the Fractal box on the myriad of threads on all the forums. It's not worth it to type an earnest, helpful response or thought, just to get swatted out by 3 dorks who follow you with 'not t00bz'. Screw it. But Scott isn't daunted by that, he apparently just removes those posts.

 

[ratter]

But Scott isn't daunted by that, he apparently just removes those posts.

 

[degenaro]

The problem with "in the room IR's" is obtaining them. It's nearly impossible which is why the whole technique of close-micing originated. Jay has a special facility where he can obtain them but we don't have access to anything like that. Over time, however, microphones have been tuned for the express purpose of close-micing. This is now the de facto technique that producers prefer.

This is why I designed the Axe-Fx to be able to both feed a traditional setup and go direct to FOH simultaneously. The desires of the player and the producer/engineer/soundman are contradictory.

You know I've through this on TGP before...but I'll say it again.
And then there are those of us like me who have gotten used to dialing their gear in to sound right through monitors after close miking. Since that's what I'm gonna listen to.
I just had this lon discussion with a friend of mine where I told him I really disliked the tones he had captured since they reminded me on the tones engineers used to get from my gear that ultimately led me to set up a little home studio. The vintage amp gets more gain then sounds good dark top/ratty bottom type sound.

 

[GITTarzann]

Thanks Cliff,

I was, for a while, using a stereo tube power amp feeding 2 Bogner cube 1X12's and my pair of QSC's. It just became more of a pain, so I eliminated the Bogners and now just run through the QSC's.

I still like the tone, it was just a bit livelier with the Bogners added, just not enough to deal with the extra tweaking/setup it took to keep them.

I figure it can only get better from here.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

But Scott isn't daunted by that, he apparently just removes those posts.

He would be in a similar situation if he posted outside of his own sandbox I reckon

 

[squealie]

This is why I designed the Axe-Fx to be able to both feed a traditional setup and go direct to FOH simultaneously. The desires of the player and the producer/engineer/soundman are contradictory.

This is one (of the many) reasons I'm so happy about the direct sound.

If all I cared about was sounding EXACTLY like a tube amp/cab blasting in a room, I'd just do that. I need a polished, produced, end-product going to DAW/FOH. The Axe-Fx delivers for me here.

It also happens to sound great, simultaneously, through blasting cabs. But I think my days with that may be done. Why bother? I now see cabs as a limitation, and a hassle.

 

[degenaro]

The problem with "in the room IR's" is obtaining them. It's nearly impossible which is why the whole technique of close-micing originated. Jay has a special facility where he can obtain them but we don't have access to anything like that. Over time, however, microphones have been tuned for the express purpose of close-micing. This is now the de facto technique that producers prefer.

This is why I designed the Axe-Fx to be able to both feed a traditional setup and go direct to FOH simultaneously. The desires of the player and the producer/engineer/soundman are contradictory.

BTW, is there any way for you to do something like the clone out1 to out2. But clone 2 to out 1 1/4 inch?
In other words any way to have out 2 be the loop and then the 1/4 inch outs of 1 have the non-speaker sim signal and the XLR having the cab sim signal?

 

[squealie]

BTW, is there any way for you to do something like the clone out1 to out2. But clone 2 to out 1 1/4 inch?
In other words any way to have out 2 be the loop and then the 1/4 inch outs of 1 have the non-speaker sim signal and the XLR having the cab sim signal?

IIRC, the XLR/ 1/4" on out 1 are tied post D/A, so there's no way to route that way. It was on the old Fractal forum.

 

[degenaro]

BTW, is there any way for you to do something like the clone out1 to out2. But clone 2 to out 1 1/4 inch?
In other words any way to have out 2 be the loop and then the 1/4 inch outs of 1 have the non-speaker sim signal and the XLR having the cab sim signal?

IIRC, the XLR/ 1/4" on out 1 are tied post D/A, so there's no way to route that way. It was on the old Fractal forum.

I figured something like that...

 

[badger71]

It also happens to sound great, simultaneously, through blasting cabs. But I think my days with that may be done. Why bother? I now see cabs as a limitation, and a hassle.

This is why a friend of mine likes his unit....he sounds great and he doesn't need to haul cabinets around.

As far as Line 6 making anything similar to the AxeFX, I don't see it happening anytime soon. Line 6 is can't make a move without Guitar Center's approval on the price point....and Guitar Center would want to cut too many corners to keep the cost down.

 

[squealie]

As far as Line 6 making anything similar to the AxeFX, I don't see it happening anytime soon. Line 6 is can't make a move without Guitar Center's approval on the price point....and Guitar Center would want to cut too many corners to keep the cost down.

If Line 6 used equivalent HW to Fractal... not just CPU, but the top quality I/O circuitry... there's no telling how good it could be. But you're right, nobody would pay for it.

 

[Digital Jams]

Scott's thread(s) are what got me going. I'm sure I'm not alone.

He's out of control imo.

He's so one sided about it (and uses his influence to censor critique on TGP) that his presence necessitates an "anti-Peterson" just to counterbalance his hype campaign.

So what you have is people who will take a stand against the product just because of Scott Peterson. I bet nobody would actively come out and admit it but I firmly believe that this psychology may be coming into play on the various forums to some degree and with *some* individuals, just imo though .

Scott's censorship was the big mistake on his part, when the re-amp experiment expoloded in his face due to many operator errors and POD users getting better results he was back pedaling faster than the Italian Army during WWII.

Scott deleting threads and calling anyone who has negative feedback a troll has set his credibility to dirt floor levels.

 

[ejecta]

Scott's censorship was the big mistake on his part, when the re-amp experiment expoloded in his face due to many operator errors and POD users getting better results he was back pedaling faster than the Italian Army during WWII.

Scott deleting threads and calling anyone who has negative feedback a trool has set his credibility to dirt floor levels.

Wow! I missed all that. IMHO doing that makes him look like a "trool".

BTW there is a thread over there asking for people to chime in who didnt like the Axe. We'll see how long that lasts.

 

[degenaro]

Scott's censorship was the big mistake on his part, when the re-amp experiment expoloded in his face due to many operator errors and POD users getting better results he was back pedaling faster than the Italian Army during WWII.

Scott deleting threads and calling anyone who has negative feedback a trool has set his credibility to dirt floor levels.

Funnily enough that particular experiment is what got me interested in it. Since even tough I thought the Bogner was sounding way cooler-and I said that-I was sure that after hearing the results I knew I could kill that shit with the Axe.

 

[ejecta]

Scott's censorship was the big mistake on his part, when the re-amp experiment expoloded in his face due to many operator errors and POD users getting better results he was back pedaling faster than the Italian Army during WWII.

Scott deleting threads and calling anyone who has negative feedback a trool has set his credibility to dirt floor levels.

Funnily enough that particular experiment is what got me interested in it. Since even tough I thought the Bogner was sounding way cooler-and I said that-I was sure that after hearing the results I knew I could kill that shit with the Axe.

Even funnier is that thread was a contributiong factor to make want to get another XTC and I got a Classic this time around and I couldnt be happier with it.

 

[Digital Jams]

Scott's censorship was the big mistake on his part, when the re-amp experiment expoloded in his face due to many operator errors and POD users getting better results he was back pedaling faster than the Italian Army during WWII.

Scott deleting threads and calling anyone who has negative feedback a trool has set his credibility to dirt floor levels.

Funnily enough that particular experiment is what got me interested in it. Since even tough I thought the Bogner was sounding way cooler-and I said that-I was sure that after hearing the results I knew I could kill that shit with the Axe.

Even funnier is that thread was a contributiong factor to make want to get another XTC and I got a Classic this time around and I couldnt be happier with it.

Hope you can play like my boy Angus cause damn that clip flat out punched face! I was talking to someone about the tones from that clip and I flat out stated that no way could I make that amp sound like that

 

[Digital Jams]

Ralphie,

If you get the axe-fx for a demo you do know a gathering to check it out is a must right??? I'll bring the 2/50/2

 

[ejecta]

Even funnier is that thread was a contributiong factor to make want to get another XTC and I got a Classic this time around and I couldnt be happier with it.

Hope you can play like my boy Angus cause damn that clip flat out punched face! I was talking to someone about the tones from that clip and I flat out stated that no way could I make that amp sound like that

Awww hell no I cant play like that but when I play it, it'll still punch you in the face with much less impressive riffs and licks.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Ralphie,

If you get the axe-fx for a demo you do know a gathering to check it out is a must right??? I'll bring the 2/50/2

I would love to see/hear a report from you after playing an Axe-Fx, I know you would honest about it sans the infomercial shtick

 

[Gainfreak]

Ralphie,

If you get the axe-fx for a demo you do know a gathering to check it out is a must right??? I'll bring the 2/50/2

Right now Im thinking that Cliff would rather punch me in the face then send me an axe-fx demo................I kid.... I kid!!!