Adam Jones' Super Bass

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stephen sawall":3a9bgg6y said:
I love a ton of mids for most things.
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So do I, though I use my amps mid dial just to fine tune them because I'm getting heaps of natural mids from my four EL34's and and four V30's. Better to have too much than not enough I guess.
 
stephen sawall":2a0bjwrs said:
I have had a few Marshall's all older than yours.
This is just one made by THD.
You well want a THD Hot Plate or something to control the volume.(A must have with this kind of amp for me.)
You can jump the channels by plugging into the bright high gain.
Then use a small cable from bright low gain input to normal high input.
Doing this well let you use both volumes. This is done on the inside of Adams amp. What is better about having it done on the out side is you can jump it different ways. (different bright and normal combinations).
Or not use it at all. You probably find the best sounds not using it.

Check out different combinations of the 10 o'clock to 3 with most amps.
Adam uses a lot of mids in his sound. Turn the mids up higher than you think. Your ear well get use to it pretty fast.
This well effect the feel and tone. You well have more dynamic range and cut threw the mix better.
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Thanks a lot for the advice. One last question, do you notice any tone sucking from the THD?
 
Do you mean because it has the channels jumped ?
.... and what is talked about in the link I put up.

No not if set up right.
I have played at least a 100 Marshall's and a number of clones.
It is the best sounding one I have heard to my ears.

A lot of the old amps need a cap job and fresh tubes to bring them to life. The Old Marshall's were built very inconsistent. Some sound great and some do not. From the clips I have heard Dave Friedman of Rack Systems Ltd. mods sound great.
 
Yeah I meant the hot plate. I will get a good tech to go over it once I get it. Thanks again :thumbsup:
 
Some people like it, some do not. I really like it. I use it a lot with all my amps. It does compress and change the tone depending on how it is set up. You need to fine tune the amps tone controls when it is used to the setting on the Hot Plate.
Anything you add to the rig well change the sound. I tried all the popular ones and like it best.

On the Hot Plate turn on the deep and turn off the bright. It sounds best to me in the -4, -8 setting. But I use it down to TV volume and like the sounds I can get.

I like the amps better without it. But need to control the volume.
You need to try it with your rig.

That amp is very loud when turned up to the distortion sounds.
 
stephen sawall":1of3c4ts said:
Some people like it, some do not. I really like it. I use it a lot with all my amps. It does compress and change the tone depending on how it is set up. You need to fine tune the amps tone controls when it is used to the setting on the Hot Plate.
Anything you add to the rig well change the sound. I tried all the popular ones and like it best.

On the Hot Plate turn on the deep and turn off the bright. It sounds best to me in the -4, -8 setting. But I use it down to TV volume and like the sounds I can get.

I like the amps better without it. But need to control the volume.
You need to try it with your rig.

That amp is very loud when turned up to the distortion sounds.
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Sounds good, thanks a lot for the advice. I will check out the hot plate no doubt. I don't play as low as T.V volume but i will need it for heavily over driven tones, yes?
 
earlier i said he has g12m or gh12h speakers. i was wrong, i just read the article where he said he had blackbacks
he has g12 black backs out of a marshall vintage cabinet... so the same speakers i got at home... celestion vintage 30s with a black marshall sticker saying g12 vintage lol
what tubes should i go for? i am thinking JJ EL34ls.
 
Personally I like the JJ KT77 a little better. They have a better low end to my ears. The Winged C are a other good choice. I would ask around a bit. These thing change from run to run. The first pre amp tube makes the biggest difference in tone and gain. Try as many as you can here.

I do not try to cop any ones sound perfectly. As that can be very hard to do. But all of us are influenced by what others do. A lot of it comes from your hands. What kind of pick you use well have a big impact on tone.

I have seen Adam play many times. On every tour several times since Undertow. A big part of his sound comes from the volume he uses .... loud. That and he uses a lot less gain than many think.
If you watch him play most of the dynamics the band / his sound comes from his right hand. His control of dynamics is much much better than most players
I like the sounds I get better than his in this range of sounds. I did not think that was possible for some time.
Early Black Sabbath and Undertow / Aenima are the templates I use when heading in this direction.

It is only a matter of taste.
 
Celestion used some different plastic backs because they were running out of greens and the speakers are no different, except that most but not all blackbacks are G12H30's and most but not all creambacks are greenbacks.

I think this is right ?
Anyone know ?
 
stephen sawall":1p8c4ti1 said:
Personally I like the JJ KT77 a little better. They have a better low end to my ears. The Winged C are a other good choice. I would ask around a bit. These thing change from run to run. The first pre amp tube makes the biggest difference in tone and gain. Try as many as you can here.

I do not try to cop any ones sound perfectly. As that can be very hard to do. But all of us are influenced by what others do. A lot of it comes from your hands. What kind of pick you use well have a big impact on tone.

I have seen Adam play many times. On every tour several times since Undertow. A big part of his sound comes from the volume he uses .... loud. That and he uses a lot less gain than many think.
If you watch him play most of the dynamics the band / his sound comes from his right hand. His control of dynamics is much much better than most players
I like the sounds I get better than his in this range of sounds. I did not think that was possible for some time.
Early Black Sabbath and Undertow / Aenima are the templates I use when heading in this direction.

It is only a matter of taste.
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For sure man. I had EL34's in a JCM800 (which I just sold to a member over at TPG) and liked the EL34s a lot. I'm just no expert on tubes! I heard the EL34L bring lots of aggresion so I was naturally leading towards them. What do you suggest for the pre amps?

And yes you are right on the g12m/h, I've heard that a lot too. Thats also what I got from an email when sending some questions to Dr Decibel (great guy and very helpful!) I bought some Vintage 30s to make a cab or test and mix some speakers (never got around to it, of course!), and recieved 'Marshall G12 Vintage' with a black label, emailed Dr Decibel and he explained they are the same as a Vintage 30 but Marshall think it is safe to rate them as 70watts.
 
I like Tung sol of the newer preamp tubes.

I have a collection of tubes that I started when I was six. Last time I added it's value up it was about $5000. The JJ KT77 are more aggressive than any EL34 I know of with a lot more Bass and Low mids.

If you can find old 6CA7 that is by far my favorite tube for these kind of amps. They go for the $$$ these days. Good luck finding a matched set. I have 4 and use them in my Tremoverb and Flexi often.

I also like the Mullards in there. I think I still have a dozen or so of them that are still good.

The old Mullard pre amp tubes have a mid range hump that sounds killer in these amps.

It's all just a matter of taste.
 
ive ordered both el34 and kt77 :)
well the super bass arrived today!!! i'm gonna clean it up a bit and then takes some pics
cheers for all of your help stephen. :thumbsup:
 
Can't yet! I haven't got a cab for it, that is coming real soon though. V30/G12T-75 mix. I think the 75's are going to be too mid scooped for me, but I got a pair real cheap.
 
i can't wait... can i run it with a single v30 with volume down real low??!
edit: well im doing that now. very responsive to my picking even at such low volumes. i will post back when i have a cab :p
 
The Super Bass is 100 watts ? The Vintage 30 can take 60/70 depending on the model. If you do not use a pedal in front of it to boost it should be able to handle it with all the knobs turned all the way up. Most speakers can handle twice there ratings. They just wear out a lot faster. I well not recommend you dime the thing. Try something like this .....

Bright high input.
Bass ~ 1-4 o'clock
Treble ~ 12-2
Mid ~ 10 - dime.
Presence ~ 1-4
Volume ~ 10-4 .... 11~1 has a lot of great sounds. The V30 should take this no problem. Someone blows a speaker after reading this you are on your own.


That is the sounds I use the most. It is different with different guitars and speakers. But that well get you going.

The guitar volume control with a amp like this is a very useful tool.
You can really control the sound by digging in with your pick hand.

There is a range where if you play real light it is almost clean and as you dig in there is a very good dynamic crunch. It can almost sound like glass breaking. That is the place I think of as home.
 
stephen sawall":1t2i6v88 said:
The Super Bass is 100 watts ? The Vintage 30 can take 60/70 depending on the model. If you do not use a pedal in front of it to boost it should be able to handle it with all the knobs turned all the way up. Most speakers can handle twice there ratings. They just wear out a lot faster. I well not recommend you dime the thing. Try something like this .....

Bright high input.
Bass ~ 1-4 o'clock
Treble ~ 12-2
Mid ~ 10 - dime.
Presence ~ 1-4
Volume ~ 10-4 .... 11~1 has a lot of great sounds. The V30 should take this no problem. Someone blows a speaker after reading this you are on your own.


That is the sounds I use the most. It is different with different guitars and speakers. But that well get you going.

The guitar volume control with a amp like this is a very useful tool.
You can really control the sound by digging in with your pick hand.

There is a range where if you play real light it is almost clean and as you dig in there is a very good dynamic crunch. It can almost sound like glass breaking. That is the place I think of as home.
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yes 100watt head, marshall g12 celestion rated at 70watts (dr db of celestion says same speaker)
Ah ok, and yes just by using my picking hand, i can go from clean to crunch easily! that is what i love about this amp, and i haven't even cranked it yet!
It's a bit late (9pm) to get high volumes at the moment, tomorrow i will push this thing some more :thumbsup:
The amp is bright!!! i have to put the presence all the way down as you say, and i run the treble a bit lower then you on 3ish... i have a jackson dinky though - so i put the bass up high with the mids
 
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