Amps that you just didn't like......and why

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All my current and past amps have had their positive and negative points. If I did this for all the amps I have owned and own, it would be a long list.

I have had pretty good luck with buying amps used without playing them. If I don't like them, than I just put them up for sale. I can get some gauge of an amp in a music store, but I find that owning an amp for a month or two really lets me know all the high and low points. In an ideal world I would try out every amp before I buy, but for me its not a necessity.
 
Didn't like:

Orange Rockerverb
Splawn Competition
Splawn Pro Mod
Mesa Road King
Mesa Single Rec
Voodoo modded DSL50
Engl Powerball

My favorites:

Morris Perplex'd (end of tone search for me)
Engl Blackmore
JVM205
VHT 50/CL

Everything else falls somewhere inbetween.
 
sutepaj":1wozz30z said:
Your playing must be terrible to hate all of those amps.

I might as well join Dave in the dog house................

I have learned that as I have gotten better and more diverse with my playing amps started to sound better, not many amps that I have hated to past few years. Chops bring out what the amp can do.
 
Just when I think I'm not jiving with an amp, I change guitars/pickups/speaker cabs and it's a whole new ball game.

That's a big reason why I don't really take user reviews seriously.
 
johnnyjellybean":1de9veo0 said:
No offense but playing amps for an hour or two in a Music store doesn't really give you an accurate picture of what each amp is capable of. Until you've spent a little more time with them.... ie: at least a week or two, I have a hard time attaching any validity to your opinion.

I agree. This thread is about amps you have owned, not just tried.
I have found that when simply trying an amp outside your own environment, especially in a music store will not give anyone the time and tones that the amp is able to get.
 
Ancient Alien":e2ydeh0u said:
johnnyjellybean":e2ydeh0u said:
No offense but playing amps for an hour or two in a Music store doesn't really give you an accurate picture of what each amp is capable of. Until you've spent a little more time with them.... ie: at least a week or two, I have a hard time attaching any validity to your opinion.

I agree. This thread is about amps you have owned, not just tried.
I have found that when simply trying an amp outside your own environment, especially in a music store will not give anyone the time and tones that the amp is able to get.

Bro......even the term "owned" is rather sketchy at best for obvious reasons :lol: :LOL:
 
Speakers are a very critical part of an amps sound, and they complete the package and are the final and one of the most important elements to a great or bad sounding amp setup.
I always try every head through at least 10 different cabinets/speakers before giving up :lol: :LOL:
For example, when I first got a JVM, I wasn't blown away. Then I had a little cabinet audition for the head.
Gainfreak was kind enough to bring down 3 of his 4x12 cabinets to my studio.
We played it through all different speakers.
GB loaded 4x12
V30 loaded 4x12
75 loaded 4x12
G12H30 loaded 4x12
Fryette FB 4x12
Fryette D 4x12
MC90 loaded 4x12
EVM loaded 4x12
CL80 loaded 2x12
MC90 loaded Buzzbomb
And some others.
The amp simply came ALIVE when plugged into G12H 30's, and the rest were history for that head.
Then of course I modded the JVM with a CHoke, a few caps (c/o Santiago), new tubes, and biased it properly.
It is now a force to reckoned with.
 
Digital Jams":1x651vva said:
Ancient Alien":1x651vva said:
johnnyjellybean":1x651vva said:
No offense but playing amps for an hour or two in a Music store doesn't really give you an accurate picture of what each amp is capable of. Until you've spent a little more time with them.... ie: at least a week or two, I have a hard time attaching any validity to your opinion.

I agree. This thread is about amps you have owned, not just tried.
I have found that when simply trying an amp outside your own environment, especially in a music store will not give anyone the time and tones that the amp is able to get.

Bro......even the term "owned" is rather sketchy at best for obvious reasons :lol: :LOL:


I hear ya :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
I think the average Rig Talk Ownership time period is now averaged at 21.68249 hours. :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup:
 
The only amp that I owned that I really just couldn't get along with was the Mesa F100.
The tone stack is in a weird place - in the middle of the four gain stages.
Instead of being a best-of-both-worlds deal where you can get the tightness of a pre-gain tone stack (like a Mark) and the tone shaping of (just about everything else), you get neither. You can't really tighten the tone up that effectively or shape the frequency response. The amp would have been MUCH more useful if the Contour feature were adjustable, but as it stands it was way too mid-heavy with Contour off and way too scooped and shrill with it on.

Good cleans, though.
 
Digital Jams":27689vy0 said:
sutepaj":27689vy0 said:
Your playing must be terrible to hate all of those amps.

I might as well join Dave in the dog house................

I have learned that as I have gotten better and more diverse with my playing amps started to sound better, not many amps that I have hated to past few years. Chops bring out what the amp can do.

I agree, but I'm pretty confident in my chops and I know what I like and dislike in an amp. I was just naming a few that didn't blow me away. IMO, if you can't find something you like about an amp in a couple of hours, it's not going to get any better. But there are exceptions I suppose, like the orange head I mentioned...

Anyway, this is the last time I put my opinion out there in one of these threads. :scared:
 
Ancient Alien":1sfo2wuj said:
Since GAS seems to be the norm around these parts, lets get a civil discussion about amps you bought, traded, acquired etc that just didn't do it for you, and why.
The other thread about constant GAS made me think.

Here goes my list:
Diezel Herbert:
I think it was a great amp, but overall, it had a very sterile sound to it. It just didn't breath properly if thats a good description.
It was a great amp, just not for me.

Diezel VH4S:
A little better in the stiffness department, but once again, the core tone of the amp left me a little uninspired.

Framus Cobra:
Just not my cup of tea. A bit too buzzy and it couldn't be dialed out.
The cleans sucked, and were lifeless to me. And the crunch was kind of solid state sounding.

CAA OD100SE+:
Probably the best clean channel I have ever heard to this day. Mid gains were rally nice and marshallesque.
But the high gain was just not there. It had a real buzzy type of sound that once again couldn't be dialed out even after a few mods and speaker changes.
I'd love to get maybe a PT100 and see if the circuit was designed a little different.

CAA OD50:
Same as above

Peavey 5150 block letter:
Just not my can of bees :lol: :LOL:
No good cleans to be found, and the high gain was a buzzy mess. I have heard great recordings with them, but just not for me.
Mid gain crunch was just not there at all. Better suited for death metal I guess.

Engl Powerball:
Just don't like the sterile sound that Engl offers.

Engl SE E670 EL34:
Same as above, but it was a way better heavy amp. Cleans were passable, but the low and mid gains were lifeless and dull.
High gain was nice, but not worth the price of admission.

Rivera Knucklehead KR100 and K Tre Reverb:
Great cleans, low and mid gain. The high gain was shrill and muddy no matter what speakers or guitar I used.
Did sound great when I used them for high gain with pedals slamming them. But there was something funky going on that also could not be dialed out.

Soldano SLO stock and SLO w all factory mods:
Good sounding amp when cranked to paint peeling volumes. Kind of useless at low volumes.
Great amp for that 80's/90's thing, but overall a big disappointment for the money.
Many amps kill this at half the price for that kind of tone.

Bogner 101B:
Excellent amp for the clean, low and mid gains, but always had a muddy tone. The high gain just farted in my general direction.
Another good amp for pedals to get the high gain out of, but it just didn't do it for me.

Bogner Ubershall:
Total turd right from the get go. I was expecting to be blown away by it's high gain sounds, but it just didn't deliver the clarity and tightness I wanted from it.

Marshall JCM900 SLX:
It was OK at high volumes, but like the SLO, it needed volume to produce the goods.

Marshall Jubilee 100w:
Great amp, but a little limited in it's tones. The good thing is that I bought it when they were not that popular and sold it when they were sought after, so I made a killing on a half stack.

Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier(old model):
I just do not dig the recto sound. Very muddy and too loose sounding for my taste. Once again, I've heard amazing recordings with them, but I'd have to bet that there was some serious studio magic done with them.

Mesa Boogie Mark 2C+:
Great amp overall. Pretty versatile, but limited in it's tones.
For leads, it was like playing a violin. But there is something about the amp(and most Mark series) that literally gives me a headache after playing through them.
I still have a Mark 3 red Ltd Edition and only keep it for it's collectors value. But I can easily dial in the same exact tones as the Mark 2C+.

I'm sure I will think of a bunch more that I've owned, but it's a start and I'm tired :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:


Post up your experiences with amps that just didn't do it for you.
And maybe Brad and Mailman should not post in this thread
:lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

:confused: :confused: Holy shit. You serious, that many? I know this will hit you like a ton of bricks, it always does to some of my students but maybe you should practice more. Spend more time with creating "your" tone with your hands and heart as opposed to gear. It'll take a few years but once you accomplish it..a $400 amp will give you all the tone you need. Not only will that make you a better musician but holy fuck..just think about the financial gain and what you could save. No one ever wants to hear that but it is what it is.

I played a Diezel Herb for 2 weeks and yes, it sounded great but I thought $4000 was an incredible waste for what the Herb offered and the VH-4 with the 50 mil channels. I didn't get that either. I went with an Einstein 100 and it's one of the best amps I've owned to date. 2 channels ALL anyone needs and it has the best tones of both the bigger brothers. Diezels are probably the best built amps today but they need to come out with a marshall type amp.

The SLO is a one time amp..once you own one you only own it one time. It'll do everything you need it to and if you buy one and you're not happy with it then you better take a shot of whix-sy..sit in front of a mirror and deal with your issues because nothing will make you happy and your thread is testament to this. Maybe you're hooked on buying and trying instead of just playing? If you're really tired of it..take my advice and THANK me 10-12 yrs down the road. Chase "your" sound with your hands and your heart. Easier said than done though as this takes ALOT of dedication and something 98% of the planet lacks..discipline. Good luck. :rock:
 
ENGAGE RAGE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do not need skillls or ears to review amps!!!!!
 
Ancient Alien":14d7i8mu said:
Post up your experiences with amps that just didn't do it for you.
And maybe Brad and Mailman should not post in this thread
:lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
:thumbsup:


:lol: :LOL:
 
Digital Jams":to5k10ud said:
ENGAGE RAGE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do not need skillls or ears to review amps!!!!!

You do bro, think about it. I see that you're missing the point. No argument, everyone should buy whatever they want and if they spend $10,000 on an amp, good for them. I was just offering some advice.

Don't worry if you don't agree with me now, you will some day. :rock:
 
FriedChickenBandit":3suogr0h said:
Digital Jams":3suogr0h said:
ENGAGE RAGE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do not need skillls or ears to review amps!!!!!

You do bro, think about it. I see that you're missing the point. No argument, everyone should buy whatever they want and if they spend $10,000 on an amp, good for them. I was just offering some advice.

Don't worry if you don't agree with me now, you will some day. :rock:

Oh I agree......................others will pound you into submission hense my witty response :lol: :LOL:
 
FriedChickenBandit":296cvz37 said:
Ancient Alien":296cvz37 said:
Since GAS seems to be the norm around these parts, lets get a civil discussion about amps you bought, traded, acquired etc that just didn't do it for you, and why.
The other thread about constant GAS made me think.

Here goes my list:
Diezel Herbert:
I think it was a great amp, but overall, it had a very sterile sound to it. It just didn't breath properly if thats a good description.
It was a great amp, just not for me.

Diezel VH4S:
A little better in the stiffness department, but once again, the core tone of the amp left me a little uninspired.

Framus Cobra:
Just not my cup of tea. A bit too buzzy and it couldn't be dialed out.
The cleans sucked, and were lifeless to me. And the crunch was kind of solid state sounding.

CAA OD100SE+:
Probably the best clean channel I have ever heard to this day. Mid gains were rally nice and marshallesque.
But the high gain was just not there. It had a real buzzy type of sound that once again couldn't be dialed out even after a few mods and speaker changes.
I'd love to get maybe a PT100 and see if the circuit was designed a little different.

CAA OD50:
Same as above

Peavey 5150 block letter:
Just not my can of bees :lol: :LOL:
No good cleans to be found, and the high gain was a buzzy mess. I have heard great recordings with them, but just not for me.
Mid gain crunch was just not there at all. Better suited for death metal I guess.

Engl Powerball:
Just don't like the sterile sound that Engl offers.

Engl SE E670 EL34:
Same as above, but it was a way better heavy amp. Cleans were passable, but the low and mid gains were lifeless and dull.
High gain was nice, but not worth the price of admission.

Rivera Knucklehead KR100 and K Tre Reverb:
Great cleans, low and mid gain. The high gain was shrill and muddy no matter what speakers or guitar I used.
Did sound great when I used them for high gain with pedals slamming them. But there was something funky going on that also could not be dialed out.

Soldano SLO stock and SLO w all factory mods:
Good sounding amp when cranked to paint peeling volumes. Kind of useless at low volumes.
Great amp for that 80's/90's thing, but overall a big disappointment for the money.
Many amps kill this at half the price for that kind of tone.

Bogner 101B:
Excellent amp for the clean, low and mid gains, but always had a muddy tone. The high gain just farted in my general direction.
Another good amp for pedals to get the high gain out of, but it just didn't do it for me.

Bogner Ubershall:
Total turd right from the get go. I was expecting to be blown away by it's high gain sounds, but it just didn't deliver the clarity and tightness I wanted from it.

Marshall JCM900 SLX:
It was OK at high volumes, but like the SLO, it needed volume to produce the goods.

Marshall Jubilee 100w:
Great amp, but a little limited in it's tones. The good thing is that I bought it when they were not that popular and sold it when they were sought after, so I made a killing on a half stack.

Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier(old model):
I just do not dig the recto sound. Very muddy and too loose sounding for my taste. Once again, I've heard amazing recordings with them, but I'd have to bet that there was some serious studio magic done with them.

Mesa Boogie Mark 2C+:
Great amp overall. Pretty versatile, but limited in it's tones.
For leads, it was like playing a violin. But there is something about the amp(and most Mark series) that literally gives me a headache after playing through them.
I still have a Mark 3 red Ltd Edition and only keep it for it's collectors value. But I can easily dial in the same exact tones as the Mark 2C+.

I'm sure I will think of a bunch more that I've owned, but it's a start and I'm tired :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:


Post up your experiences with amps that just didn't do it for you.
And maybe Brad and Mailman should not post in this thread
:lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

:confused: :confused: Holy shit. You serious, that many? I know this will hit you like a ton of bricks, it always does to some of my students but maybe you should practice more. Spend more time with creating "your" tone with your hands and heart as opposed to gear. It'll take a few years but once you accomplish it..a $400 amp will give you all the tone you need. Not only will that make you a better musician but holy fuck..just think about the financial gain and what you could save. No one ever wants to hear that but it is what it is.

I played a Diezel Herb for 2 weeks and yes, it sounded great but I thought $4000 was an incredible waste for what the Herb offered and the VH-4 with the 50 mil channels. I didn't get that either. I went with an Einstein 100 and it's one of the best amps I've owned to date. 2 channels ALL anyone needs and it has the best tones of both the bigger brothers. Diezels are probably the best built amps today but they need to come out with a marshall type amp.

The SLO is a one time amp..once you own one you only own it one time. It'll do everything you need it to and if you buy one and you're not happy with it then you better take a shot of whix-sy..sit in front of a mirror and deal with your issues because nothing will make you happy and your thread is testament to this. Maybe you're hooked on buying and trying instead of just playing? If you're really tired of it..take my advice and THANK me 10-12 yrs down the road. Chase "your" sound with your hands and your heart. Easier said than done though as this takes ALOT of dedication and something 98% of the planet lacks..discipline. Good luck. :rock:

:thumbsup:
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 
The only one that comes to mind is the Engl E670SE w/ El34's. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
 
FriedChickenBandit":2ouzm7r3 said:
:confused: :confused: Holy shit. You serious, that many? I know this will hit you like a ton of bricks, it always does to some of my students but maybe you should practice more. Spend more time with creating "your" tone with your hands and heart as opposed to gear. It'll take a few years but once you accomplish it..a $400 amp will give you all the tone you need. Not only will that make you a better musician but holy fuck..just think about the financial gain and what you could save. No one ever wants to hear that but it is what it is.

I played a Diezel Herb for 2 weeks and yes, it sounded great but I thought $4000 was an incredible waste for what the Herb offered and the VH-4 with the 50 mil channels. I didn't get that either. I went with an Einstein 100 and it's one of the best amps I've owned to date. 2 channels ALL anyone needs and it has the best tones of both the bigger brothers. Diezels are probably the best built amps today but they need to come out with a marshall type amp.

The SLO is a one time amp..once you own one you only own it one time. It'll do everything you need it to and if you buy one and you're not happy with it then you better take a shot of whix-sy..sit in front of a mirror and deal with your issues because nothing will make you happy and your thread is testament to this. Maybe you're hooked on buying and trying instead of just playing? If you're really tired of it..take my advice and THANK me 10-12 yrs down the road. Chase "your" sound with your hands and your heart. Easier said than done though as this takes ALOT of dedication and something 98% of the planet lacks..discipline. Good luck. :rock:

I'm sorry you feel this way. And I completely forgot that I don't know how to play and I need an AMAZING teacher like you to show me the way :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
Can you please let me know when you are available to give me lessons?
I knew there was something missing in my 25+ years of playing, and it is YOU
Please post me a link to how we can get together so you can show me the divine way of your ultimate skills so that you can bestow them upon me.
I need to get away from this mirror and bottle of Jack Daniels.
I need to reach your level of mastery on the instrument so that I can truly be happy with myself.
I knew by coming to Rig-Talk I would find my way to becoming the best I can be, and I thank you for reaching out to me so I can accomplish this.
Thank You Thank You Thank You
I NEED YOU.
Please let me know, so we can get the ball rolling.
:thumbsup:
 
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