Attention Brad

[bananaladonpcp]

fucking kirk hammett.........

 

[King Guitar]

We could call it something else but the truth is its a Cameron, his designs are the "Cameron Tone" we separate the man from the product. Calling it something else would be easier for us but people know and love the Cameron tone even if they don't love him. I totally get what you guys are saying but we will stick with the name.

Its good for you to separate Mark from HIS product.  Now you don't have to pay him for "HIS" tone, and you get the name to boot.  It's now "yours".  You guys are of the same ilk.



I notice you never addressed getting the owed amps to anyone. I knew you would never follow through. Hence the reason for this thread.  Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. 

My more colorful reply edited by me. (Thanks Lester for the Post below)

I am one of the 12 or 14 people that are owed a CCV from "Cameron Amps".

Here is where your wrong, you are owed a CCV from Mark Cameron NOT from Cameron Amps. You gave your money to Mark Cameron, he does not now and never has worked for me or had anything to do with the company I reassembled with his design I licensed.

You went into business with a shady character (which has shady undertones in itself) knowing that he ripped me and a bunch of others off for thousands.

Another assumption that is dead wrong on your part. I never went into business with Mark Cameron, I actually said in the beginning I would not be in business with Mark Cameron in a Lemonade stand. We licensed his design for a popular product. He was NEVER a anything more that a outside design consultant. Not a employee and certainly not a partner. Never Was! You gave him your dough way before I showed up.

I am not going to get into a pissing match with you when you won't even man up with your real name. Dude your logged in with your work IP at the Honda store in Trenton NJ. Its the same one you use with your regular screen name.

I don't suffer fools well, you want an answer for you, the answer for you is good Luck tracking down the guy who took your money and getting made whole by him, it won't be from me. I suggest you start your search in North Hollywood. (Travel Tip: If you fly into Burbank instead of LAX its much easier and less crowded).

All the other guys hang in there and we will figure out a way to make you whole one way or another. Remember "AceofSpades" I don't owe you a thing. Nothing, Zip and now my goodwill to you is out the window.

 

[lester]

Brad, don't let anyone provoke you into being something or doing something that is not you.

 

[bonedarrell]

We could call it something else but the truth is its a Cameron, his designs are the "Cameron Tone" we separate the man from the product. Calling it something else would be easier for us but people know and love the Cameron tone even if they don't love him. I totally get what you guys are saying but we will stick with the name.

Its good for you to separate Mark from HIS product.  Now you don't have to pay him for "HIS" tone, and you get the name to boot.  It's now "yours".  You guys are of the same ilk.



I notice you never addressed getting the owed amps to anyone. I knew you would never follow through. Hence the reason for this thread.  Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. 

He did address that issue dip-shit!

 

[glpg80]

Brad, don't let anyone provoke you into being something or doing something that is not you.

But the guy wont even release anything other than his moniker. It seems he does not understand the position he is in. In all honesty until he mans up and steps up to the plate there is really no other way to address the situation with anything other than tough shit - deal with it through Mark - the real person who owes everyone money - to get him to see exactly where he stands.

People are getting Cameron amps and Mark Cameron confused (and no wonder ) and do not see Brad is the one that is doing it out of the generosity of his heart. The real enemy of spades is himself failing to see where he sits in this, and Mark Cameron further screwing everyone over as in normal tradition.

 

[Jimmie]

Not worth the time, he got his 15 minutes of fame...next.

 

[Gearhog]

We could call it something else but the truth is its a Cameron, his designs are the "Cameron Tone" we separate the man from the product. Calling it something else would be easier for us but people know and love the Cameron tone even if they don't love him. I totally get what you guys are saying but we will stick with the name.

As far as the suggestions toward a name change +1. I was under the impression the CCV was designed after the original Atomica, Which was Jose's design. The high and low gain Jose's are Jose's designs. I've only known of Mark for a few years because he was doing Jose mods, and because of his infamous business dealings. I've known who Jose was for thirty years. To me the Cameron tone is Jose Modified Marshall tone, the Jose crunch. Some of the players who's tone Jose had a hand in were, Reb Beach, Mick Mars, EVH, Steve Stevens, George Lynch, Joe Holmes, John Sykes, loudness, keel, Peter Frampton, Steve Farris, Richie Sambora, Metallica, Warren Demartini, Neal Schon, Jake E Lee, Steve Vai, and little old me. If Mark was in charge of getting all these people there Jose modified Marshalls, the 80s would have sounded like the 70s. In my opinion a lot more people might be interested in amps knowingly based on Jose Arrendondos designs, who was probably the most famous amp tech of all time. Also there are a lot more killer Jose designs to expand upon in the future. With your consistant parts and build quality you can make all of his designs sound great, instead of the hit and miss that comes with modding old heads. I totally support your company and want one of each. And it would be cool if more credit was given where credit is due. Jose was a really good old dude, he was also not a flake. Anyway, my red head when I get it will be referred to as my KING Atomica JA100.

 

[shredi knight]

....Dude your logged in with your work IP at the Honda store in Trenton NJ....

Wait, the Trenton New Jersey Honda store? I paid for a car there 2 years ago and never received it!

Hey Aceofspades, where the fuck is the Accord you owe me?!?!?

 

[glpg80]

....Dude your logged in with your work IP at the Honda store in Trenton NJ....

Wait, the Trenton New Jersey Honda store? I paid for a car there 2 years ago and never received it!

Hey Aceofspade, where the fuck is the Accord you owe me?!?!?

LOL

 

[Zap]

....Dude your logged in with your work IP at the Honda store in Trenton NJ....

Wait, the Trenton New Jersey Honda store? I paid for a car there 2 years ago and never received it!

Hey Aceofspade, where the fuck is the Accord you owe me?!?!?

 

[bonedarrell]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh!!! The Honda store!!! He's a car seller(not that there's anything wrong with that).....I get it now!!

 

[Ventura]

Gentleman I would like to announce we have sold Cameron Amplifiers to Kirk Hammett.

 

[joepete77]

Did this guy send money to mark or Jerry ? I could tell sending money to mark was insane but my posts back then were erased which is a shame cause it could have maybe helped the victims. I agree that this was pre brad so not his fault. However, I remember brad assuring in the beginning that he would take care of them much to my amazement. Now that time has passed and it's moving slower then expected its a little harder to just flood the small market with essentially free amps. Maybe a good idea would be to offer those guys who don't want to wait any longer say half off on any Cameron amp, this way u still make a buck and help clean up this mess once and for all.

 

[bonedarrell]

Did this guy send money to mark or Jerry ? I could tell sending money to mark was insane but my posts back then were erased which is a shame cause it could have maybe helped the victims. I agree that this was pre brad so not his fault. However, I remember brad assuring in the beginning that he would take care of them much to my amazement. Now that time has passed and it's moving slower then expected its a little harder to just flood the small market with essentially free amps. Maybe a good idea would be to offer those guys who don't want to wait any longer say half off on any Cameron amp, this way u still make a buck and help clean up this mess once and for all.

Dude!?!? That is a horrible idea!! I'm sure Brad's intent of "taking care of the victims" was to encourage Mark to make good on him amp deals had Mark stuck around. Cant be done if Mark bailed. I have never seen where Brad offered to pay these people back or give amp discounts!! This is not Brad's mess to clean up!!

 

[joepete77]

Did this guy send money to mark or Jerry ? I could tell sending money to mark was insane but my posts back then were erased which is a shame cause it could have maybe helped the victims. I agree that this was pre brad so not his fault. However, I remember brad assuring in the beginning that he would take care of them much to my amazement. Now that time has passed and it's moving slower then expected its a little harder to just flood the small market with essentially free amps. Maybe a good idea would be to offer those guys who don't want to wait any longer say half off on any Cameron amp, this way u still make a buck and help clean up this mess once and for all.

Dude!?!? That is a horrible idea!! I'm sure Brad's intent of "taking care of the victims" was to encourage Mark to make good on him amp deals had Mark stuck around. Cant be done if Mark bailed. I have never seen where Brad offered to pay these people back or give amp discounts!! This is not Brad's mess to clean up!!

Just an idea, I know that it's not his mess to clean up , But if it could help clean up the name while keeping these guys happy while making a few bucks the. It would seem a good business move.

 

[jcj]

Did this guy send money to mark or Jerry ? I could tell sending money to mark was insane but my posts back then were erased which is a shame cause it could have maybe helped the victims. I agree that this was pre brad so not his fault. However, I remember brad assuring in the beginning that he would take care of them much to my amazement. Now that time has passed and it's moving slower then expected its a little harder to just flood the small market with essentially free amps. Maybe a good idea would be to offer those guys who don't want to wait any longer say half off on any Cameron amp, this way u still make a buck and help clean up this mess once and for all.

Dude!?!? That is a horrible idea!! I'm sure Brad's intent of "taking care of the victims" was to encourage Mark to make good on him amp deals had Mark stuck around. Cant be done if Mark bailed. I have never seen where Brad offered to pay these people back or give amp discounts!! This is not Brad's mess to clean up!!

Why would Mark sticking around have anything to do with those people getting their amps?

Mark's share of proceeds were/are to go toward getting those people their amps, him being there has nothing to do with it; it's a function of sales/profit.

Brad has always maintained that if/when they made enough to cover it (out of Mark's share) those people would get their amps.

When/if that happens, I'm sure that he'll do exactly as he said he would; Mark, or no Mark.

 

[rlord1974]

If I was stupid enough to send Mark money when he was hurting I would be mad at myself. Mark is not a malicious person. He tried like hell, as best as he could, to get the amps done. He fell behind in his bills, etc. so he spent your money. You cannot build amps with no electricity. Have you or anyone you know ever suffered from severe depression? You knew going into it you were taking a risk and if you didn't Shame on You. I feel for you guys that lost money but shit I lost money in the stock market. Not much different. I'm not going down to wall street headhunting. Brad is your only hope. You may as well walk away after your thread. Do you really think he profited yet. I bet you are wrong.

Eh... I admit I don't know too much about the exact situation that's occurred, but paying a deposit to have an amp built for you is absolutely nothing at all like putting money into stocks. It doesn't matter what happened with the money; if money was put down and no product was received and the person who put the money down has not been paid back, that is stolen money until an agreement is reached. I would agree there are surely much more tactful ways for the original poster to present an argument, though, such as via PM unless that is tried and no response is given. It doesn't seem like that's probably occurred, though.

In fact, the situation is not entirely different.

Individual gives a downpayment to a company to purchase one of their products. Company subsequently goes bankrupt. Company has no money to pay former creditors. Creditors therefore must write off the amounts owed to them from the Company as "bad debts", never to be recovered, and move on with their lives. This happens everyday in all industries. It's no different just because this was an amplifier company (i.e., the original "Cameron" amplifiers, pre-Brad).

Sure, maybe the analogy is not spot-on, but it's not entirely without merit either.

 

[Lord Toneking]

I wonder how much Mark made for selling his design? (that kinda was ripped off of Jose anyways...I think? )

At any rate, Im sure it was enough to pay back all of his customers he ripped off...and put some cash in his pocket

Maybe Brad couldve had something like this written up in their contract (pay back all your past customers out of MARK'S profits...NOT Brad's), just so the Cameron name could be washed clean. But then again if you think about it, it really has NOTHING to do with Brad . This lays souly on the hand of Mark Cameron and his own conscience...which obviously he does not have

 

[nighttrain69]

it sucks when any one gets screwed over after giving them your hard earned money, but attacking someone who offered to help ,when that person is only doing it to be a standup guy,with tecnically no obligation to do so is jacked off..

 

[rlord1974]

To Brad King
I'm using an alternate name since I like being a part of this forum and am afraid,like others, of being banned. 

I am one of the 12 or 14 people that are owed a CCV from "Cameron Amps".  You said that you would make it right by getting us our owed amps. You went into business with a shady character (which has shady undertones in itself)  knowing that he ripped me and a bunch of others off for thousands. You threw yourself up on a pedestal claiming to be the savior of Cameron amps and were going to get our owed amps out of Mark Cameron's paid compensation  I've read all of the bullshit about it being after the 4th run...but here you are having problems building AND selling the second run. ALSO...you claim that you have no idea where Mark is or lives...so obviously you are keeping Marks share of profits from Cameron Amps. Why can't you put 100% of that money toward the 12-14 owed amps. I've been talking to a bunch of people and I know it only costs $1,800-$2,000 to build a CCV, so based on the profits you made you clearly have enough of Mark's money to build us our amps since you made us pay additional money (almost enough to cover 100% of the build cost) to you...like a ransom.  I had to pay $1,000 additional. 

It's bad enough that you keep pushing off the second run of CCV's, and based on one of George M's post, he seems to be having problems building it as well. There is a lack of communication between the builder and owner since the 2nd run ahold be shipping this month. I bet the delivery will be pushed off again. 

Also, you claim to be the stand up guy... I want you to PUBLICALLY announce that you personally, Brad King, King Guitars, et al will get us our amps as you promised...even if you sell your share of Cameron Amp to a new buyer. I want to see you say that you will be personally involved until the last owed amp is received!!!

I don't want to hear some cry baby story about how hard it is/was to work with Mark Cameron or how hard it is/was to bring an amp to market...you've made a ton of profit off of this project and it's time to live up to your end of the deal. GET US OUR AMPS!!!

I eagerly await your response. 

I would like to nominate this past as the biggest douchebag post of 2012.

Clearly, the individual who posted this is a %$#@! moron.

Brad King and the "new" Cameron Amplifiers owes you NOTHING buddy. In fact, they owe none of the people that got screwed by Mark anything.

I was shocked when Brad originally offered to try to make things right for those owed by Mark. I know this won't be a popular comment, and I know there are some solid forum members here who did get screwed by Mark and I truly feel for them, but I wouldn't look badly upon Brad at all if he announced today that he will be unable to make things right for all of these people. Again, he has no legal or moral obligation to do so and, with all of the BULLSHIT posts he has had to put up with about this over the past year, I couldn't blame him for just saying "sorry all, but it's your problem to deal with."

To the OP: stop airing your dirty old laundry on the forum. Deal with Brad directly. And grow the fuck up.