"Bogner blanket"

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The point here is ......

great XTC post, as always, Setneck. i really like the words "It was loud then but still not hearable".

put fixed 2k7//2.2uF 2nd gain stage combo to R11 place

iiinteresting. i will ask you about this mod, in the Bogner sub-forum...

 

[carlygtr]

You continue to be a first class asshole Carly....but seem to be the trend with you. but just to shut you up..https://www.youtube.com/user/SPLBand

ALL 101B! All from cheap video camera

There seems to be a market for 100 watt bedrooms.

You're another big mouth. Any live vids of you around, cutting thru w/ a 101b? or are you just a buyer/seller/picture taker?

I wouldn't call that cutting thru a mix, but whatever you say. Resorting to name calling? That and this vid make your case I guess

 

[carlygtr]

Perhaps a clip to help you guys that can't hear it...

That's it in a nutshell. Bogner sounds like a bass amp. I guess this was due to a bedroom setting? he dialed it in with his eyes? it wasn't loud enough?

 

[Setneck]

i really like the words "It was loud then but still not hearable".

That was funny, because before modding my bandmates still kept forcing me to lower my volume (having set Treble and Presence slightly beyond the point where it made the amp sounding fizzy and harsh-sizzling), but when I've done that they kept talking "we can't hear Ya!!". So I was increasing the volume and after that it was starting again form the beginning .

Now, after mods, I can set my Volume to 9 o 'clock at the rehearsalas and it is more than enough. Live, at bigger stage, I sometimes raise the volume knob to 9.30 o 'clock. I am hearable and I am not loud. And also, what is important in a band context, my tone doesn't interfere with bass guitar frequency (which I've sometimes struggled with before). But what is most important - having more classic Marshall crunch and snarl in my tone, there's still noticeably more bottom and punch in it compared to my bandmate's DSL's tone (we both play LP's with 498T).

Increasing the nfb resistance is essential here though. The poweramp starts to breathe more, it is more aggressive and present.

put fixed 2k7//2.2uF 2nd gain stage combo to R11 place

iiinteresting. i will ask you about this mod, in the Bogner sub-forum...

Feel free Mate, I will answer with pleasure.

Regards, Andy

 

[legend71]

I only play my 101B at gigs. Love the amp and have for years. I have no trouble cutting through the mix. I think it can be eq'd but one of the things I love about it is its dark tone. To me the boosted blue channel is "Mean Street" in a box.

 

[EVHpickdust]

Perhaps a clip to help you guys that can't hear it...

I recognize the PT-100 in that clip.

 

[Setneck]

IMO everything depends on the band context, music style, etc. I know many people who are happy with the 101B's tone as it is.

I also like dark nature of XTC in general, but in my band the stock amp was ineffective :/. Fortunately now it is even too effective , while still retaining Bogner flavour .

Regards, Andy

 

[RG955TT]

I posted link to at least 8 live clips of my 101b live where "in the mix" mixed in a club (and at very reasonable stage volume, not loud at all and a soundman who was not guitar centric) and thru a video camera I can hear everything I'm playing. Sorry but if you don't like it, it's OK. I can't stand shrill amps so the Bogners work great for me. There is a body to the sound and I can hear the differences between guitars better, seems like the woodiness comes thru, not fake or artificial gain. I do like my 20th better for a variety of reasons (more cut being one of them) but to say the amp doesn't work in a live mix is BS. It does. And it has this great low mid thing/snarl I really like. These clips are using a Mahogany Suhrs with SSH+ bridge pickup as well so not bright guitars to start with....other guitarist is playing a Marshall. Your results may vary...and again we don't know in that amp compare link what channel or how the tones where set for each amp. Everyone hears a little different so what works for you may sound shrill and tinny to me. That's why there are so many great choices. I have the choice to use any amp in my signature and I choose the Bogners every time for live work, nothing I own is more versatile and sounds better to me. Here's the link again if you missed it...https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=splband

This is the only live band clips posted on here, so you be the judge if it might work for you...works for me. Maybe not your thing...if not move along to something that does it for you.

 

[ejecta]

I posted link to at least 8 live clips of my 101b live where "in the mix" mixed in a club (and at very reasonable stage volume, not loud at all and a soundman who was not guitar centric) and thru a video camera I can hear everything I'm playing. Sorry but if you don't like it, it's OK. I can't stand shrill amps so the Bogners work great for me. There is a body to the sound and I can hear the differences between guitars better, seems like the woodiness comes thru, not fake or artificial gain. I do like my 20th better for a variety of reasons (more cut being one of them) but to say the amp doesn't work in a live mix is BS. It does. And it has this great low mid thing/snarl I really like. These clips are using a Mahogany Suhrs with SSH+ bridge pickup as well so not bright guitars to start with....other guitarist is playing a Marshall. Your results may vary...and again we don't know in that amp compare link what channel or how the tones where set for each amp. Everyone hears a little different so what works for you may sound shrill and tinny to me. That's why there are so many great choices. I have the choice to use any amp in my signature and I choose the Bogners every time for live work, nothing I own is more versatile and sounds better to me. Here's the link again if you missed it...https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=splband

This is the only live band clips posted on here, so you be the judge if it might work for you...works for me. Maybe not your thing...if not move along to something that does it for you.

I agree.... use what works for you and comparison clips while nice aren't as useful IMHO as ones in a band mix. Bogners have a lower mid thing going that darkens up the tone and so some like and some don't. To each his own.

 

[Killcrop]

There seems to be a market for 100 watt bedrooms.

Actually got a few old 101b clips

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=6460876

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5970770

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5977681

Those tones sound pretty good. If you don't like that, what are you using now?

 

[rupe]

I have a 101b and a 20th, the 20th doesn't really have this "issue" but I also used the 101b in several bands, setting did have a lot to do with it as did tube choices. If the presence wasn't over 2pm it wouldn't cut that great but between 2 and 3 the amp sounded great especially at a little volume, cut fine, sounded great out front in 2 guitar band. It is a thicker meatier tone than many amps and I think that contributes to some of the issues some people have. I let several guys play thru my 101b in a "battle of" show a few years ago and it sounded great and I could hear them fine outfront in the mix. Many amps are way too bright for me so the Bogners work well for what I want. They record especially well IMO.

How can that be...bedroom players have stated otherwise?

Where can we see you play? Any live vids? With a 101b?

You can see me play in western PA and State College 2-3 times/month...let me know when you're traveling this way and I'll put you on the guest list.

No vids using the 101b...probably some old board tapes somewhere in my box of cassettes.

 

[carlygtr]

There seems to be a market for 100 watt bedrooms.

Actually got a few old 101b clips

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=6460876

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5970770

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5977681

Those tones sound pretty good. If you don't like that, what are you using now?

They were ok. I never said the amp sucked, I owned 3 of them. I just said there's no denying it's a dark amp and the controls are voiced as too not help much.
I think most people use the Medium and Loose Excursion setting, which doesn't help. I found on the Tight setting it lost a lot of the low-mid blanket.

 

[MississippiMetal]

You'd be surprised how bright even "dark" amps can be at volume. And really, when most people are talking about mix, you're talking about a bunch of unmiked instruments battling it out for stage volume. Even darker guitar tones can sit well in a mix when the FOH engineer does his job correctly.

 

[Rdodson]

If you dig Band of Gypsys, Fair Warning and Ah Via Musicom, you'll love it.

 

[rupe]

There seems to be a market for 100 watt bedrooms.

Actually got a few old 101b clips

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=6460876

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5970770

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5977681

Those tones sound pretty good. If you don't like that, what are you using now?

They were ok. I never said the amp sucked, I owned 3 of them. I just said there's no denying it's a dark amp and the controls are voiced as too not help much.
I think most people use the Medium and Loose Excursion setting, which doesn't help. I found on the Tight setting it lost a lot of the low-mid blanket.

I think things are getting lost in translation. I agree its overall voicing is on the dark side when compared to a Marshall or Soldano, etc. When I hear terms like "blanket", I take that to mean dull and lifeless, which it is not.
As for the 6L6 Shiva though (as well as an EL84 Shiva that came through my store), it was far from dark. I've never played the EL34 version that I can recall.

 

[C1-ocaster]

You continue to be a first class asshole Carly....but seem to be the trend with you. but just to shut you up..https://www.youtube.com/user/SPLBand

ALL 101B! All from cheap video camera

There seems to be a market for 100 watt bedrooms.

You're another big mouth. Any live vids of you around, cutting thru w/ a 101b? or are you just a buyer/seller/picture taker?

NO blankets there. Sounded really nice!
Given how bad most built in vid camera mics are your tone sounded good, nice and bright and articulate.

 

[C1-ocaster]

Perhaps a clip to help you guys that can't hear it...

They all sound pretty good.
The CAM sounded really nice and punchy, it was kinda distinct on my monitors.
The purple Marshall sounded best in that recording for the Marshall types.
Bogner sounded fine too, but seems you may have the volume turned down on that in the mix.
The frequencies were there, but the overall volume needed to come up.

I've never played or heard a CAM amp, but man that one sounded great.

 

[C1-ocaster]

Perhaps a clip to help you guys that can't hear it...

That's it in a nutshell. Bogner sounds like a bass amp. I guess this was due to a bedroom setting? he dialed it in with his eyes? it wasn't loud enough?

It really didn't sound loud enough. I could hear the frequencies in there, just needed to be louder in the mix.
I don't know, maybe that's what you guys are talking about, that even if you turn it up in the mix you still feel like it's not "there"?

I'm listening through a pair of decent M-Audio BX5's, and it just sounded like the Bogner needed to be up a bit louder in the mix.

 

[Setneck]

Perhaps a clip to help you guys that can't hear it...

That's it in a nutshell. Bogner sounds like a bass amp. I guess this was due to a bedroom setting? he dialed it in with his eyes? it wasn't loud enough?

It really didn't sound loud enough. I could hear the frequencies in there, just needed to be louder in the mix.
I don't know, maybe that's what you guys are talking about, that even if you turn it up in the mix you still feel like it's not "there"?

I'm listening through a pair of decent M-Audio BX5's, and it just sounded like the Bogner needed to be up a bit louder in the mix.

Well, it definitely could be louder but it is simply 101B nature - it is noticeably darker, as that was Renholdt's idea. No one expects it to be a fizzy Marshall. But it definitely isn't cutting in that video (all 3 times it is least pronounced) and I'm afraid that it isn't a matter of volume level. At least that's what come off my experiences with that amp.

You are totally right C1-ocaster - it simply isn't "there" :/.

That's what I was struggling with when having stock 101B. I had to turn i up louder but, like I have written before, still it was loud but not hearable, not cutting. Definitely linear Treble taper and C40 mod would make 101B blowing all other amps off the shell on that record.

And that is what I'll do with my incoming in near future PTP 101B. I'll take 1959, leave a poweramp as it is (but with a switch between 22nF and 100nF PI output caps, fixed 100K nfb resistor to 4ohm tap and 10K Presence pots) and incorporate entire 101B preamp to it, but with fixed 2k7//2.2uF 2nd gain stage and linear dirty Treble taper. Of course no C40 too. No other BS like Plexi mode, Structure, Gain Boost, etc. Only Pre-Eq's but maybe with different values. All PTP. My dream amp

Maybe You know that clip: modded Metro JMP to XTC specs. The tone is awesome, so is the playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIardd9h9g
It is "there", it is cutting... awesome...

Regards, Andy

 

[yngzaklynch]

Just spent time on all three channels of my 101b. The amp sounds absolutely fantastic all the way through. I get that not everyone will love any one amp. Thats cool. But how somebody cant enjoy playing through an Ecstasy puzzles me greatly. My 2 cents