Boogie JP2C (Coming Back)

[cyndicate]

You can SLO this and SLO loop that...bottom line: JP2C fail! GAS squashed

I have had one sitting in a cart with a 7% discount since last week

DO IT

I have one being delivered on Friday Who needs a clean channel

 

[journeyman73]

goddamn this thread feels like the old HCAF

No doubt! Mesa will inevitably offer some sort of "solution", though the loop is working as designed. People wanted a IIC+ "reissue" for years, and they got dual dirty channels that did exact that...and as soon as they finally get it...they want to change it...

well, just to play devils advocate...it is potentially disingenuous for mesa to claim the loop is working less than ideally for the OP's usage because of 'adherence to historical accuracy'....and then meanwhile peg the pull deep and ch1 volumes for the drive channels.

which slavish vs relaxed devotion to the originals do you think impacts the tone more?

works both ways, right?

btw, mean the above all respectfully for the sake of discussion...and as a JP owner, myself, for now

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You keep drinking that Kool Aide I wish I could drink a few glasses and not spend any more loot. If it's not this then it's that.

It's not Kool Aid, it's Perrier. I own stock in it and swear by it.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You need to buy some better amps. I'm saying that as a friend.

I just need to buy the amps on my wish list. The EVH 5153 50 is a better amp.
Appreciate the advise though.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

They shouldn't make you pay for shipping, man. That's Fucked up.

I have a PRS that I bought from Sweetwater that may or may not be defective. I have to pay to ship it to them for them to look at, and pay for them to ship it back to me when they're done even if it is defective. You buy something from guitar center and don't have a local store to return it to, you pay return shipping, and you don't get refunded the initial shipping. Same thing goes for Amazon, and probably many more major retailers. It's lame as hell.

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

That's the one that would heat up, start smoking, and then die when they first came out right. Or is that the one with the volume jump from channel 1 to channel 2 that forced people to start using a processor in the loop in order to have a true clean channel

That's a good example of something people flipped out over when an amp first came out, but now no one ever thinks about.

Mine just has the volume jump, but in all fairness, I never use the clean channel with the band, I knew of the vol issue before i brought it, didnt buy it for the cleans.

I lower the guitar vol when we play "I Don't know," and "Revelations," ( slow parts,) but other than that, the rest of the songs are all gain. ( classic rock/metal.)

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You need to buy some better amps. I'm saying that as a friend.

Oh, brother

The EVH 5153 50 does not in any way suck moose cock.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You need to buy some better amps. I'm saying that as a friend.

Uhm, please point me towards a 3 channel amp under 32 lbs, with big bottle tubes that has a switchable fx loop and harnesses one of the best hotrodded Marshall tones AND an over-the-top, yet super-tight high gain channel... Oh, and all that for under $1k.

Better amps.... Pshh.... Droid, please.

If you are ever in NY area, I will buy you a beer and purchase you a beautiful hot asian escort for the evening.

This man right here speaks TRUTH. Hail the EVH 5153 50 supporter/sympathizer.



BTW, may I use your reply in my own signature? It is worded perfectly.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You need to buy some better amps. I'm saying that as a friend.

Uhm, please point me towards a 3 channel amp under 32 lbs, with big bottle tubes that has a switchable fx loop and harnesses one of the best hotrodded Marshall tones AND an over-the-top, yet super-tight high gain channel... Oh, and all that for under $1k.

Better amps.... Pshh.... Droid, please.

does it really harness one of the best hot rodded marshall tones? does it? or is that just like your opinion man?

Yes it does. This is not mere opinion, this is based off of scientific engineering fact finding/analysis.

The EVH 5153 50 has gone head to head with the best of the heavyweights.. Deizel, SLO, Friedman, you name it.
EVH took em all in 3rd round KO's.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

I think this is a good thread. The amp sounds very nice. Who gives a shit if it cant cop the original 100%

Close enough to my ears.. will agree on the loop thing being a drag.
If we all had the EVH 5153 50, we'd be perfect.

 

[gtrwun]

^^^^^^^^^^ you officially turned this into a 5153 thread by posting 7 times in a row about your beloved amp.

 

[dfrattaroli]

The internet sucks.

 

[Mailman1971]

The internet sucks.

+1

It makes you overthink things. I was happier with Guitar magazines and a new amp every 4 years.
Too much info and products getting poured on you. Damn kid in a Candy store situation.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I think this is a good thread. The amp sounds very nice. Who gives a shit if it cant cop the original 100%

Close enough to my ears.. will agree on the loop thing being a drag.
If we all had the EVH 5153 50, we'd be perfect.

6 posts in a row... Are you medicated, bro?
If not, maybe you should be??

 

[232cap]

We got a chance to try the new JP2C tonight and it one hell of an amp, the master works super down to mousefart volume it was tight punchy enough gain and a fair price tag. The clean channel was surprisingly good. There is know way this amp is a fail by any means, I'm not even a Mesa fan and I almost pulled the trigger, maybe tomorrow. Not sure about the loop volume jump as we didnt try it out but im sure the way it sits would fit 90% of the players out there in any application. just my 2 cents. Too much dong strokkin going on in this thread. Any yes the EVH 5150 III 50 popped on top of a EVH 4-12 does kick ass especially at that price point. I would love to see all the naysayers in a blind tastes test.

 

[cyndicate]

We got a chance to try the new JP2C tonight and it one hell of an amp, the master works super down to mousefart volume it was tight punchy enough gain and a fair price tag. The clean channel was surprisingly good. There is know way this amp is a fail by any means, I'm not even a Mesa fan and I almost pulled the trigger, maybe tomorrow. Not sure about the loop volume jump as we didnt try it out but im sure the way it sits would fit 90% of the players out there in any application. just my 2 cents. Too much dong strokkin going on in this thread. Any yes the EVH 5150 III 50 popped on top of a EVH 4-12 does kick ass especially at that price point. I would love to see all the naysayers in a blind tastes test.

 

[glassjaw7]

The amp does sound very good on the iPhone clip! The loop issue is a big one and is not acceptable. I ultimately traded away my modded recto after a lot of tinkering and trying to make the amp effect friendly. My Mark IV has a really good loop and honestly I'm surprised that they screwed this one up. Good thing is they will most likely fix it (and hopefully soon!)

 

[mojotone]

I'm informed from someone you all would trust. He says it doesn't stack up to his IIc+'s. He's had many. He did say for the dollars its one hell of an amp. The whole deal was that this would replicate an original IIc+. How could it when they cannot source enough original components. I think I'll stick with my amps.

Sounds to me like MESA is in a "catch 22" situation. If they built a hand soldered exact replica(no matter the price), there would be complaints. If they try to fix some of the "so-called" compromises of the original version, there would complaints.
We'll not even to begin to speak of the Sylvanias, EVM-12L, Metal Grille cabs and so on......

 

[snorkel54]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

I could care less about the OPs decision to keep or return his amp. It's his and his money and no one else's right to have a single word of say in it.

However, I do want to comp together the high points here so people don't stumble here and read a bunch of what is apparently false and misleading information and base opinions on it...what we've learned:

Per the manual and Mesa's own words - it was designed this way, and there's actually no "issue" at all, only user error and a misunderstanding of how the loop works. So anyone crying foul play on Mesa's part should start thinking about retracting those statements. Of course, not that virtually any of those people had ever even owned or played one to begin with...

I pointed out a handful of times in regards to the low volume. It was quite a stir and scandal over "loop issues!" when there are apparently none. Then, the narrative was backed up with a video that was perhaps about as extreme as it comes - switching from one channel where the loop send was set to around 3:00 and to a channel where the loop send was set almost off (8:00 or so, where little to no signal is being fed to the loop). Of course there's going to be a volume jump on the repeat in that scenario. That's like turning up the volume on your dirty channel to deafening volumes, switching to your clean channel with the volume almost off and saying "Look how low the volume is!"

The take-aways here:

1. The idea the loop is faulty is FALSE. It's exactly as designed.
2. The loop isn't designed to switch back and forth from high gain to whisper volume cleans.

Do you have a clip with the correct volume setting and how the loop sounds ?

 

[LanierP]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OaC7gtofy9w

One of the better clips out there of the JP2C

There's also a rig rundown that's about 10 or so days old that goes into detail about his live rig and how he runs the effects loop. My guess is he's not having this issue. Runs all the channel changing and effects pedals/Axe FX via MIDI with a RJM Mastermind. I've listened to several live clips that are 2 and 3 weeks old and it sounds great. YMMV

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

^^^^^^^^^^ you officially turned this into a 5153 thread by posting 7 times in a row about your beloved amp.

I should've just done one post, and responded to those all in one. Sorry about that one, noticed that as well.

This is actually imo a good topic on a good amp with some bumps, so it adds for a good debate nonetheless.
Got me thinking of playing one for sure.