Boogie JP2C (Coming Back)

[VC4Ever]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

 

[Racerxrated]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

Not you man. Someone else got personal it seems a while back, ultimately its Todd's decision? But from my perspective, like I mentioned last night, even with issues and only at low volumes like you say I think this amp sounds better than any new amp that's come out in recent memory. I'd still buy it without hesitation. Hell, even without a loop...clean, rhythym and lead? With that tone? 2500?? No brainer!

 

[VC4Ever]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

Not you man. Someone else got personal it seems a while back, ultimately its Todd's decision? But from my perspective, like I mentioned last night, even with issues and only at low volumes like you say I think this amp sounds better than any new amp that's come out in recent memory. I'd still buy it without hesitation. Hell, even without a loop...clean, rhythym and lead? With that tone? 2500?? No brainer!

Ok sorry for the confusion. But seriously read the JP-2C manual on the Master Volume. Clearly he wasn't running it properly in that clip.

 

[sjk]

Looks like a Mesa fanboy got his panties in a bunch! Big fucking deal, his amp to decide what to post or do with so get over it and stop bitching!

 

[Racerxrated]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

Not you man. Someone else got personal it seems a while back, ultimately its Todd's decision? But from my perspective, like I mentioned last night, even with issues and only at low volumes like you say I think this amp sounds better than any new amp that's come out in recent memory. I'd still buy it without hesitation. Hell, even without a loop...clean, rhythym and lead? With that tone? 2500?? No brainer!

Ok sorry for the confusion. But seriously read the JP-2C manual on the Master Volume. Clearly he wasn't running it properly in that clip.

Just got done playing my 2C+, ran my Intellifex through the loop instead of slaving and was able to duplicate Todd's result at very low volume. But live, even at my little club gigs I play loudly to get over my loud drummer, and keep delay on while switching channels and never noticed this at volume. So keep your volume up a bit, no worries.

 

[NewWorldMan]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

I could care less about the OPs decision to keep or return his amp. It's his and his money and no one else's right to have a single word of say in it.

However, I do want to comp together the high points here so people don't stumble here and read a bunch of what is apparently false and misleading information and base opinions on it...what we've learned:

Per the manual and Mesa's own words - it was designed this way, and there's actually no "issue" at all, only user error and a misunderstanding of how the loop works. So anyone crying foul play on Mesa's part should start thinking about retracting those statements. Of course, not that virtually any of those people had ever even owned or played one to begin with...

I pointed out a handful of times in regards to the low volume. It was quite a stir and scandal over "loop issues!" when there are apparently none. Then, the narrative was backed up with a video that was perhaps about as extreme as it comes - switching from one channel where the loop send was set to around 3:00 and to a channel where the loop send was set almost off (8:00 or so, where little to no signal is being fed to the loop). Of course there's going to be a volume jump on the repeat in that scenario. That's like turning up the volume on your dirty channel to deafening volumes, switching to your clean channel with the volume almost off and saying "Look how low the volume is!"

The take-aways here:

1. The idea the loop is faulty is FALSE. It's exactly as designed.
2. The loop isn't designed to switch back and forth from high gain to whisper volume cleans.

 

[VC4Ever]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

I could care less about the OPs decision to keep or return his amp. It's his and his money and no one else's right to have a single word of say in it.

However, I do want to comp together the high points here so people don't stumble here and read a bunch of what is apparently false and misleading information and base opinions on it...what we've learned:

Per the manual and Mesa's own words - it was designed this way, and there's actually no "issue" at all, only user error and a misunderstanding of how the loop works. So anyone crying foul play on Mesa's part should start thinking about retracting those statements. Of course, not that virtually any of those people had ever even owned or played one to begin with...

I pointed out a handful of times in regards to the low volume. It was quite a stir and scandal over "loop issues!" when there are apparently none. Then, the narrative was backed up with a video that was perhaps about as extreme as it comes - switching from one channel where the loop send was set to around 3:00 and to a channel where the loop send was set almost off (8:00 or so, where little to no signal is being fed to the loop). Of course there's going to be a volume jump on the repeat in that scenario. That's like turning up the volume on your dirty channel to deafening volumes, switching to your clean channel with the volume almost off and saying "Look how low the volume is!"

The take-aways here:

1. The idea the loop is faulty is FALSE. It's exactly as designed.
2. The loop isn't designed to switch back and forth from high gain to whisper volume cleans.

Agreed. All I am saying is things were decided a little to early.

 

[phil b]

If it actually is/was user error on the volumes for the loops then I jumped the gun. OP seems pretty knowledgeable and I would think before returning it one would have tried just about everything imaginable. Even if OP didnt read the manual, when he contacted Boogie about it though I find it weird they didnt explain that in detail to see if he could even out the channels. Would suck if it was just user error for the OP but I do like to think he didnt just throw his hands up and say "Screw it" before trying every option to rectify it first

 

[Superunknown]

Hey Todd, thanks for posting. Shit move for someone to call you out in any way for anything. Your amp, review and decision. Wow.

Are you serious? Looks like Todd jumped the gun here and complained about things he wasn't aware of or knew about. If he maybe read things like the manual and the shipping/return policy he would have a better understanding and solution.

And if you look at his video his master volume controls are nearly off.

Come on man, your continuous insults are totally uncalled for. I didn't jump the gun on anything. I have owned a few amps over the years.

What I am completely aware of is that the JP2C loop didn't work for MY application(putting a delay pedal in the loop and playing a gig). I also fully understood the return policy. And Boogie customer service told me point blank that they are aware of this issue....and they didn't refer me to a damn owners manual either. They actually told me to check back in a few weeks for a possible solution. So whether you like it or not, the issue does in fact exist.

Finally, I did make a video with the amp turned up before I returned it this morning. I'll post it later on tonight if it makes you feel better. Guess what? There is no fucking difference. Same result.

 

[NewWorldMan]

I don't fault anyone for missing stuff in the manuals. There's a lot of info in them. I read the manual twice before mine even arrived, yet I still didn't recall reading that about the loop until it was pointed out.

 

[Speeddemon]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You need to buy some better amps. I'm saying that as a friend.

Uhm, please point me towards a 3 channel amp under 32 lbs, with big bottle tubes that has a switchable fx loop and harnesses one of the best hotrodded Marshall tones AND an over-the-top, yet super-tight high gain channel... Oh, and all that for under $1k.

Better amps.... Pshh.... Droid, please.

 

[Tone Monster]

goddamn this thread feels like the old HCAF

 

[NewWorldMan]

goddamn this thread feels like the old HCAF

No doubt! Mesa will inevitably offer some sort of "solution", though the loop is working as designed. People wanted a IIC+ "reissue" for years, and they got dual dirty channels that did exact that...and as soon as they finally get it...they want to change it...

 

[Racerxrated]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You need to buy some better amps. I'm saying that as a friend.

Uhm, please point me towards a 3 channel amp under 32 lbs, with big bottle tubes that has a switchable fx loop and harnesses one of the best hotrodded Marshall tones AND an over-the-top, yet super-tight high gain channel... Oh, and all that for under $1k.

Better amps.... Pshh.... Droid, please.

does it really harness one of the best hot rodded marshall tones? does it? or is that just like your opinion man?

No, it doesn't. And I like my Marshalls, stock and modded. Good bang for the buck? Sure, used for like 500...but for a grand? I'd still take my 82 800 over a 5153 any version except Stealth. And yes I've had 2 EVHs. IMO.

 

[Racerxrated]

The JP2C sounds great imo.
I will however, stick with my trusty EVH 5153 50 with a great loop btw.

The EVH 5153 50 is simply and all around workhorse rock/metal monster that continues to deliver.

Maybe if the JP2C finds a factory mod as stated above for the loop spillover, then maybe.. just maybe, it will be a far contender to the EVH 5153 50.

You need to buy some better amps. I'm saying that as a friend.

Uhm, please point me towards a 3 channel amp under 32 lbs, with big bottle tubes that has a switchable fx loop and harnesses one of the best hotrodded Marshall tones AND an over-the-top, yet super-tight high gain channel... Oh, and all that for under $1k.

Better amps.... Pshh.... Droid, please.

VHT Pittbull, 3 channels I believe? All those features and built in the USA. Used for around 1K.

 

[glip22]

I'm informed from someone you all would trust. He says it doesn't stack up to his IIc+'s. He's had many. He did say for the dollars its one hell of an amp. The whole deal was that this would replicate an original IIc+. How could it when they cannot source enough original components. I think I'll stick with my amps.

 

[blackba]

I'm just reading this from the manual. There is a lot to absorb from the manual which may help resolve some issues. Here's a tidbit.

"Unlike many other MESA amplifiers where the Channel MASTER also acts as an EFFECTS SEND control, the JP-2C required a
different layout to ensure the authenticity of the MARK II-C+ circuit. Here Channel 1 uses that scheme (Channel MASTER doubling
as a SEND Level control), but the two high gain Channels (2 and 3) see the GAIN control doubling as the EFFECTS SEND control.
The reason for this has to do with the fact that it is really the LEAD DRIVE control on a MARK II-C+, which WAS responsible for the
SEND strength in a II-C+. Regardless, despite this difference in both origination of the signal and control placement, the Channels
balance out quite nicely and you should have no problem with signal levels at your processor(s)."

Wondering how hard it would be just to have a switch on the back to switch between having the 'Gain' control the effects send strength for channel 2/3 and the channel volume. Or better yet one loop that works like its currently designed and a 2nd with the channel volumes controlling the send signal.

I am also wondering if the channel volumes controlling the signal was the issue I was seeing with my mark IVA loop. With the switchable loop I notice tone suck, but with the normal loop its fine. I generally run my mark IVA at low volumes and have the channel volumes around 3 or 4.

 

[NewWorldMan]

My first thought was having channels 1 and 2 share channel 2's gain as the FX send for both channels. But while that would be ideal for me, it would probably ruin other people's day...

 

[crankyrayhanky]

You can SLO this and SLO loop that...bottom line: JP2C fail! GAS squashed

 

[glip22]

You can SLO this and SLO loop that...bottom line: JP2C fail! GAS squashed

I have had one sitting in a cart with a 7% discount since last week