Boogie JP2C (Coming Back)

[LP Freak]

Regardless of whether the OP returned it, I wish he would've kept his initial review up because that information would've been useful to many others who are looking at the amp and have a work around for the loop "problem" or for those who are otherwise unaffected by it. Instead it gets nuked and future lurkers are given no help at all upon stumbling upon this dumpster fire of a thread.

Well considering the shit guys were giving him I don't blame him a bit.

 

[glip22]

My jp2 arrived today but i havent opened it yet, hopefully tonight i can compare it to my mkv.

 

[zewango]

My JP2C showed up yesterday. A little different then I expected. Really want to try it with the band.
Mean sounding amp. The effects loop had no issues when I had it a band levels.
I thought V30's would be the speaker of choice for the amp but I'm not sure.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

No way I would take any Diezel over my MKIII. Shut the fuck up and go away, this thread doesn't concern you.

Well that wasn't very nice.

 

[JackBootedThug]

want...bad.....want....really bad....want....mesa...ftw...

 

[JackBootedThug]

My JP2C showed up yesterday. A little different then I expected. Really want to try it with the band.
Mean sounding amp. The effects loop had no issues when I had it a band levels.
I thought V30's would be the speaker of choice for the amp but I'm not sure.

the halfback mark III cabs would be perfect for it imo. mc90's on top and ev12l's on the bottom. my mark 4 slayed with that combo.

 

[Racerxrated]

My JP2C showed up yesterday. A little different then I expected. Really want to try it with the band.
Mean sounding amp. The effects loop had no issues when I had it a band levels.
I thought V30's would be the speaker of choice for the amp but I'm not sure.

the halfback mark III cabs would be perfect for it imo. mc90's on top and ev12l's on the bottom. my mark 4 slayed with that combo.

Funny you say that, my kid had mine until yesterday, when I traded him a different cab to get it back. When I sold my Mark 3 I didn't need the cab, didn't mesh with my Marshall. Now that I have a 2C+, wow what a good combo that is! I found a beat 2x12 halfback w/EVs, 149....comes tomorrow.

 

[Les Zombie]

My jp2 arrived today but i havent opened it yet, hopefully tonight i can compare it to my mkv.

That would be great if you can report your thoughts.

I didnt get to spend much time with it last night, about 30 min.
I never tried the cleans, i went thru ch2 and then ch3, from other users comments and the few vids i watched i was under the impression ch 2 and 3 was pretty much the same but with slightly more gain.
But with my amp on ch2 and the gain pulled and running at 3:00 it has less gain and saturation than ch3 with the gain pushed in and running at 12:00. Maybe some of the other guys who own or played the jp can comment.

Ive never owned a 2c+ before so i have no idea how close it comes to the original, i have a mark 5 and this amp sounds better than 2c mode on the 5, its different and not the same.
I owned a mkiv for a while and liked that amp. I really need to spend some quality time on the jp2c before i make any real comments.

 

[glip22]

My jp2 arrived today but i havent opened it yet, hopefully tonight i can compare it to my mkv.

That would be great if you can report your thoughts.

I didnt get to spend much time with it last night, about 30 min.
I never tried the cleans, i went thru ch2 and then ch3, from other users comments and the few vids i watched i was under the impression ch 2 and 3 was pretty much the same but with slightly more gain.
But with my amp on ch2 and the gain pulled and running at 3:00 it has less gain and saturation than ch3 with the gain pushed in and running at 12:00. Maybe some of the other guys who own or played the jp can comment.

Ive never owned a 2c+ before so i have no idea how close it comes to the original, i have a mark 5 and this amp sounds better than 2c mode on the 5, its different and not the same.
I owned a mkiv for a while and liked that amp. I really need to spend some quality time on the jp2c before i make any real comments.

Thanks. Fair enough. Definitely need a little time.

 

[journeyman73]

My jp2 arrived today but i havent opened it yet, hopefully tonight i can compare it to my mkv.

That would be great if you can report your thoughts.

I didnt get to spend much time with it last night, about 30 min.
I never tried the cleans, i went thru ch2 and then ch3, from other users comments and the few vids i watched i was under the impression ch 2 and 3 was pretty much the same but with slightly more gain.
But with my amp on ch2 and the gain pulled and running at 3:00 it has less gain and saturation than ch3 with the gain pushed in and running at 12:00. Maybe some of the other guys who own or played the jp can comment.

Ive never owned a 2c+ before so i have no idea how close it comes to the original, i have a mark 5 and this amp sounds better than 2c mode on the 5, its different and not the same.
I owned a mkiv for a while and liked that amp. I really need to spend some quality time on the jp2c before i make any real comments.

im pretty sure ch2 is like the old one but with the ch1 volume/gain pegged at something (i dont remember if they said 6 or 7 or something).

i think they said ch3 is like having the original ch1 volume/gain pegged to something slightly higher.

ch3 has more gain and compression at same settings

 

[311boogieman]

Regardless of whether the OP returned it, I wish he would've kept his initial review up because that information would've been useful to many others who are looking at the amp and have a work around for the loop "problem" or for those who are otherwise unaffected by it. Instead it gets nuked and future lurkers are given no help at all upon stumbling upon this dumpster fire of a thread.

Well....technically it is all still there

There is numerous discussions regarding the 'issue' on post #20, the Youtube vid is still up and Steve K has most of the review in post #2.

Plus this:

I spoke with Mesa today. No current fix for the loop issue. So mine is going back. Sad because I love this amp...

What really sucks is that I have to pay to ship it back and refund Mesa Hollywood for shipping the amp to me in the first place....

So unfortunately, future readers will come in here and be even more confused vs. reading the story as it unfolded. Now it is just bits and pieces. The thread 'could' be rewritten to say 'hey I got the JP2C and the loop just didn't work out for me as expected - possibly because Mesa wanted to keep the original circuit intact and you have to use the master like this...'

Sorry...not trying to poop in this thread any more than need be.

 

[JackBootedThug]

or we could delete it...

 

[shredhead7]

I'm just reading this from the manual. There is a lot to absorb from the manual which may help resolve some issues. Here's a tidbit.

"Unlike many other MESA amplifiers where the Channel MASTER also acts as an EFFECTS SEND control, the JP-2C required a
different layout to ensure the authenticity of the MARK II-C+ circuit. Here Channel 1 uses that scheme (Channel MASTER doubling
as a SEND Level control), but the two high gain Channels (2 and 3) see the GAIN control doubling as the EFFECTS SEND control.
The reason for this has to do with the fact that it is really the LEAD DRIVE control on a MARK II-C+, which WAS responsible for the
SEND strength in a II-C+. Regardless, despite this difference in both origination of the signal and control placement, the Channels
balance out quite nicely and you should have no problem with signal levels at your processor(s)."

I'm glad that you posted this, as I had a similar moment recently with my Engl SE. I had always played it at band volume, that was really the only time that I used it, at practice. After the band split, it sat unused for a few years, while I bought and traded numerous other amps. Fast forward to a few months back, I have since replaced the rack effects that it was using, retubed it and was having a really hard time finding the magic that it once had. After rereading the manual, I discovered that the individual channel volumes acted as the effects send, not the master like I thought. Because I was playing at basement levels, I had the master volumes at noon, the channel volumes around 9:00 and used my rack as a sort of master volume. It sounded thin and processed and shitty. When I took them out of the loop, the amp about took my house down with a glorious roar.

TL/DR: read the manuals, you might find out how your amp actually works...especially Mesa's with their crazy patent applied for technology.

 

[Superunknown]

Thank you Reza. Never doubt the truth my friends.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177553

 

[katsumura78]

There's an official fix coming in a few days. Spoke to someone at Mesa over the phone and apparently it's not complicated or time consuming to do. Took them a few mins to change out a couple things and the loop "issue" is gone. I'm sure the shit talking will continue but good to hear Mesa didn't drop the ball.

 

[InFlames235]

There's an official fix coming in a few days. Spoke to someone at Mesa over the phone and apparently it's not complicated or time consuming to do. Took them a few mins to change out a couple things and the loop "issue" is gone. I'm sure the shit talking will continue but good to hear Mesa didn't drop the ball.

Awesome so now I have to send in my brand new amp and pay ~$200 for shipping it to Mesa to get the fix. Argh

 

[katsumura78]

There's an official fix coming in a few days. Spoke to someone at Mesa over the phone and apparently it's not complicated or time consuming to do. Took them a few mins to change out a couple things and the loop "issue" is gone. I'm sure the shit talking will continue but good to hear Mesa didn't drop the ball.

Awesome so now I have to send in my brand new amp and pay ~$200 for shipping it to Mesa to get the fix. Argh

You won't have to pay anything, you'll look up an authorized Mesa amp repair shop and they'll fix it up. First off, try the amp out because the loop might not be an issue for you. If it is then get the fix. It's not that big a deal.

 

[InFlames235]

There's an official fix coming in a few days. Spoke to someone at Mesa over the phone and apparently it's not complicated or time consuming to do. Took them a few mins to change out a couple things and the loop "issue" is gone. I'm sure the shit talking will continue but good to hear Mesa didn't drop the ball.

Awesome so now I have to send in my brand new amp and pay ~$200 for shipping it to Mesa to get the fix. Argh

You won't have to pay anything, you'll look up an authorized Mesa amp repair shop and they'll fix it up. First off, try the amp out because the loop might not be an issue for you. If it is then get the fix. It's not that big a deal.

Oh ok, well in that case it's not a big deal. I'll be looking for an announcement of the fix - I dunno if it'll be a big deal for me but who knows until it arrives.

 

[zewango]

Here is some JP2C wanking for yah!
IPhone low volumes Channel 2/Shred Switch on

 

[gtrwun]

Here is some JP2C wanking for yah!
IPhone low volumes Channel 2/Shred Switch on

Sounds great!