Celestion Lynchback...and.....or V30? GB?

[D-Rock]

I think you need some Greenbacks, so you can have all you "backs" covered.

 

[richedie]

So far I am sticking to plan A:
Bogner 212OS - V30s
Stone Age 212C - Creambacks
Splawn 412 - Lynchbacks/V30s or Greenbacks

As the LBs break in, they are really impressing me.....like a cross between a T-75, Greenback, and V30. I know guys like Scott Splawn prefer the Creambacks, but I don't own a Splwn right now, and most of my aps are darker than his. Bogner, PWE, Mesa....

Are the creambacks something like a smallblock??

Scott Splawn has a cab loaded with Creambacks, one with Lynchbacks and one with Small Blocks. He said, these are his favorite speakers for his amps, he said both the Celestions (Cream and Lynch) are smoother than the Small Block.

One of the best 412 mixes is T75/V30 so I am thinking I may go Lynchback/V30 partly because I want some V30s in my one 412 since it is my only 412 and my amps work best with V30s. I may give Heritage/EVH Greenbacks a try first mixed in.

Bogner 212OS - V30s
Stone Age 212C - Creambacks
Splawn 412 - Lynchbacks/V30s or Greenbacks

 

[richedie]

I am approaching the critical hour to get this cab loaded - Splawn 412. What would you guys load into it for a thick rock tone, I want fat, thick, deep lows, thick mids and smooth highs....while still cutting. I trust you guys. I prefer to keep the cab light weight so still looking to Creambacks/Lynhcbacks blend.

Lynchbacks/Creambacks
V30s/Creambacks or Greenbacks
EVH or Heritage GBs
V30/G12-65

Other choices?

 

[metalmaniac93]

The Lynchbacks do not need to be mixed!!! They sound awesome with both in a 2X12. I cannot help you wih the other speakers though. How about infamous V30s on the bottom/GB RIs on the top. This combo smokes with the Friedman BE-100 and also with the Cameron Atomica when I checked out at TM back in April. It sounded huge!!!

 

[Mr. Willy]

If you're gonna mix speakers you need to check the db rating. Lynchbacks are 97db and V30 are 100db. The V30's would overpower the LB's and cab would probably sound unbalanced.

 

[richedie]

If you're gonna mix speakers you need to check the db rating. Lynchbacks are 97db and V30 are 100db. The V30's would overpower the LB's and cab would probably sound unbalanced.

Celestion says that is false. As long as frequencies balance.

 

[richedie]

The Lynchbacks do not need to be mixed!!! They sound awesome with both in a 2X12. I cannot help you wih the other speakers though. How about infamous V30s on the bottom/GB RIs on the top. This combo smokes with the Friedman BE-100 and also with the Cameron Atomica when I checked out at TM back in April. It sounded huge!!!

Lynchbacks don't have enough mids alone for me. I think Creambacks will do.
....or G12-65s since they are both light weight like the LB.

 

[rlord1974]

How about the Weber Legacy? On sale right now!

 

[richedie]

I am a Celestion guy, 100%. Tried others.....

 

[Mr. Willy]

If you're gonna mix speakers you need to check the db rating. Lynchbacks are 97db and V30 are 100db. The V30's would overpower the LB's and cab would probably sound unbalanced.

Celestion says that is false. As long as frequencies balance.

Hmm...I ran a 4x12 with V30's and a 4x12 with Greenbacks side by side for a little while and the V30 cab was always louder than the Greenback cab. I love both speakers, but they didn't play well together from my experience. V30's are just louder.

 

[metalmaniac93]

The Lynchbacks do not need to be mixed!!! They sound awesome with both in a 2X12. I cannot help you wih the other speakers though. How about infamous V30s on the bottom/GB RIs on the top. This combo smokes with the Friedman BE-100 and also with the Cameron Atomica when I checked out at TM back in April. It sounded huge!!!

Lynchbacks don't have enough mids alone for me. I think Creambacks will do.
....or G12-65s since they are both light weight like the LB.

THey have plenty of mids, just not the same mids as G12-65's. More upper mids and highs. On that note as I mentioned before, you should try the V30/GB RI mixture that is typcially used by Dave Friedman. I was quite surprised how good they sound.

 

[richedie]

If you're gonna mix speakers you need to check the db rating. Lynchbacks are 97db and V30 are 100db. The V30's would overpower the LB's and cab would probably sound unbalanced.

Celestion says that is false. As long as frequencies balance.

Hmm...I ran a 4x12 with V30's and a 4x12 with Greenbacks side by side for a little while and the V30 cab was always louder than the Greenback cab. I love both speakers, but they didn't play well together from my experience. V30's are just louder.

I totally trust your experience man. However, look at how many guys run GBs and V30s, or T75s and V30s. I am like you and it would always bother me so I am going to try Creambacks and Lynchbacks like my buddy had, it ripped!

 

[richedie]

The Lynchbacks do not need to be mixed!!! They sound awesome with both in a 2X12. I cannot help you wih the other speakers though. How about infamous V30s on the bottom/GB RIs on the top. This combo smokes with the Friedman BE-100 and also with the Cameron Atomica when I checked out at TM back in April. It sounded huge!!!

Lynchbacks don't have enough mids alone for me. I think Creambacks will do.
....or G12-65s since they are both light weight like the LB.

THey have plenty of mids, just not the same mids as G12-65's. More upper mids and highs. On that note as I mentioned before, you should try the V30/GB RI mixture that is typcially used by Dave Friedman. I was quite surprised how good they sound.

See Mr. Willy's comments above.......he mentioned V30s being much louder.

 

[Mr. Willy]

The Lynchbacks do not need to be mixed!!! They sound awesome with both in a 2X12. I cannot help you wih the other speakers though. How about infamous V30s on the bottom/GB RIs on the top. This combo smokes with the Friedman BE-100 and also with the Cameron Atomica when I checked out at TM back in April. It sounded huge!!!

Lynchbacks don't have enough mids alone for me. I think Creambacks will do.
....or G12-65s since they are both light weight like the LB.

THey have plenty of mids, just not the same mids as G12-65's. More upper mids and highs. On that note as I mentioned before, you should try the V30/GB RI mixture that is typcially used by Dave Friedman. I was quite surprised how good they sound.

See Mr. Willy's comments above.......he mentioned V30s being much louder.

I say try it and go for it. Your experience could be different than mine. I was a bit bummed at my results, but for me, the Greenback cab got drowned out by the V30 cab. I was running both from an old Dual Rectifier at the time. I've still got two of the Greenbacks, and I'll be on the hunt for some more Celestions to mix 'em with. I've been real interested in the EVH speakers. Every clip I've heard of the Lynchbacks sounds killer too. Reminds me of a Greenback with a deep, almost 3D-like quality, in the low-end.

 

[metalmaniac93]

If you're gonna mix speakers you need to check the db rating. Lynchbacks are 97db and V30 are 100db. The V30's would overpower the LB's and cab would probably sound unbalanced.

Celestion says that is false. As long as frequencies balance.

Hmm...I ran a 4x12 with V30's and a 4x12 with Greenbacks side by side for a little while and the V30 cab was always louder than the Greenback cab. I love both speakers, but they didn't play well together from my experience. V30's are just louder.

I totally trust your experience man. However, look at how many guys run GBs and V30s, or T75s and V30s. I am like you and it would always bother me so I am going to try Creambacks and Lynchbacks like my buddy had, it ripped!

Well it looks like you answered your own question since your buddy has this combo and you liked it.

 

[richedie]

Yep, going with Lynchback/Creamback. All 4 speakers are 8 ohm so I have to learn how to wire four 8 ohm speakers into a 412! LOL. No idea how....

 

[Ventura]

I wanna actually HEAR some good demos of the Creambacks. I think they're an intriguing speaker. I want to know more.

As for the 97dB versus the 100db, sensitivity is an issue to bear in mind when mixing and matching, and I know I'll stick out here like an idiot going against something that the actual speaker company says about its own product. I like to match speakers based on sensitivity first, then go with a frequency profile. Flame away, it just makes sense, especially if you plan on micing a couple different cones up in one cab.

 

[rlord1974]

All 4 speakers are 8 ohm so I have to learn how to wire four 8 ohm speakers into a 412! LOL. No idea how....

I was going to type out how, but then I remembered this:

http://www.scumbackspeakers.com/wire.html

 

[richedie]

All 4 speakers are 8 ohm so I have to learn how to wire four 8 ohm speakers into a 412! LOL. No idea how....

I was going to type out how, but then I remembered this:

http://www.scumbackspeakers.com/wire.html

Confusing! What is the difference between parallel and series? I want whatever is standard wiring - Parallel or Series.

 

[rlord1974]

It just depends what you want the total impedence of the cab to be. Don't sweat 'series vs. parallel'.

That being said, given that you have four 8 ohm speakers, you really don't have many options......
* You can't run them all in series, or your cab would be 32 ohms. I don't think you have a 32 ohm output on the back of any of your amps.
* You can't run them all in parallel, or your cab would be 2 ohms. It's unlikely you have a 2 ohm output on the back of any of your amps.

You basically HAVE to wire your cab in series-parallel. The two speakers on the left side in series for 16 ohms, and the two speakers on the right side in series for 16 ohms (or you could split the speaker pairs across the top and bottom of the cab. It makes no difference, as along as you anticipate running your cab in mono). You then wire those two sets of 2 in parallel, bringing the total impedence of the cab down to 8 ohms.

Easy, right?