Celestion Lynchback...and.....or V30? GB?

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rlord1974, thanks...now it makes sense.

I already have two 8 ohm Lynchbacks and waiting for 8 ohm Creambacks.

It sounds like, to you, it is not worth worrying about waiting for 16 ohm versions of these speakers.
 
richedie":3ig8z396 said:
rlord1974, thanks...now it makes sense.

I already have two 8 ohm Lynchbacks and waiting for 8 ohm Creambacks.

It sounds like, to you, it is not worth worrying about waiting for 16 ohm versions of these speakers.
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Not quite sure what you meant, so I'll respond as follows:

1 - you shouldn't wait for the 16 ohm Creambacks, because they won't work with your 8 ohm Lynchbacks in a 4x12 cab

2 - I should wait for the 16 ohm Creambacks, because I want to run two of them in parallel in a 2x12 cab for a load of 8 ohms
 
Rlord1974,

I was told not to expect a 16 ohm LB or CB for maybe another year.

I meant this - should I run with 8ohms or sell my 8 ohm LBs and get all 16 ohm.

Are most cabs run series or parallel? What is the preferred method I should follow based on the diagrams above?

Thanks dude.
 
richedie":2lxrr5ge said:
Rlord1974,

I was told not to expect a 16 ohm LB or CB for maybe another year.

I meant this - should I run with 8ohms or sell my 8 ohm LBs and get all 16 ohm.

Are most cabs run series or parallel? What is the preferred method I should follow based on the diagrams above?

Thanks dude.
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It really comes down to personal preference and how you intend to use your cab.

Two of the more common solutions would be:


1 - Assumes you will only ever use your cab in mono

If this is the case, just get two more 8 ohm speakers, wire the cab in series-parallel and you'll have an 8 ohm 4x12


2 - Assumes you might want to split the cab and run it in stereo occasionally, and mono occasionally as well

If this is the case, sell the two 8 ohm speakers you have and get four 16 ohm speakers. Wire the left two speakers in parallel for a load of 8 ohms. Wire the right two speakers in parallel for a load of 8 ohms. Get a Marshall switchable jack, which will then allow you to run the cab:
A) in stereo, as just described (ie, 8 ohms per side), or
B) in mono at 4 ohms total impedence (ie, the two 8 ohm pairs of speakers wired together in parallel), or
C) in mono at 16 ohms total (ie, the two 8 ohm pairs of speakers wired together in series)



Again, it really depends on how you expect to use the cab. These are just two of the many options available. There are many more. For example...

With four 8 ohm speakers, you could put two jacks on the back of your cab. Wire one jack to the two left 8 ohm speakers, wired in series for a load of 16 ohms. Wire the second jack to the two right 8 ohm speakers wired in series for a load of 16 ohms. Then run two speaker cables from your head to the cab. You would run the two speaker cables out of the two 8 ohm speaker outputs on the back of your head, because the two 16 ohm sides of the cab would effectively be running in parallel under this method, resulting in an impedence of 8 ohms (and, hence why you would use the 8 ohm speaker outputs on your head).


Confused yet? :lol: :LOL:

If you want, feel free to PM me.
 
Thanks bro, I like it simple. 8 ohm mono cab, done.

So how are most cabs wired, series or parallel?
 
I might lay money that we never see the 16ohm Lynchback.......at least with his endorsement track record. Not unless they release it under some other name.

That being said, I think the Lynchback is the best speaker ever created.....at least to my ears. "Ballpark" tone of the greenback with big, tight low end and extended clarity. Im on a mission to get as many as I can before they disappear. I have 6 new ones and I'm always on the hunt for used ones. Nothing really compares in my opinion. I've used just about every high power Greenback variant on the market (Scumback, Weber, WGS, Eminence).

I've got a pair mixed with Greenback reissues for a little more "squish" in my 4x12. And I have a pair in my Splawn 2x12. And another pair tucked away in my closet!
 
I like the Lunckback but V30s and the new Creamback is still my two favorite.
LBs lack a bit of thick mids for me, and I prefer a more full low end, but they blend great with Creambacks. I don't like the Lynchbacks alone in a 212. Creambacks sound better in a 212. Similar to LBs, but more mids and bigger lows.

Live Creambacks and Lynchbacks in a 412 but I need a blend cause the LBs don't have enough squish. However, my favorite speakers for a 212 are V30s or G12K100s.

If I had to choose, I would take Creambacks over Lynchbacks.
 
richedie":3i2qd3p0 said:
So how are most cabs wired, series or parallel?
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There are no rules. Again, it just comes down to the individual or builder, and his/her decision about what speakers to use and what they want the cabs impedence to be.

Sonically, series vs. parallel makes no real difference. These two wiring methods are simply a means to an end (ie, ways of getting the impedence you want).

That being said, most 4x12 cabs are going to be series-parallel, simply by necessity.
 
richedie":zmm3zq26 said:
I like the Lunckback but V30s and the new Creamback is still my two favorite.
LBs lack a bit of thick mids for me, and I prefer a more full low end, but they blend great with Creambacks. I don't like the Lynchbacks alone in a 212. Creambacks sound better in a 212. Similar to LBs, but more mids and bigger lows.

Live Creambacks and Lynchbacks in a 412 but I need a blend cause the LBs don't have enough squish. However, my favorite speakers for a 212 are V30s or G12K100s.

If I had to choose, I would take Creambacks over Lynchbacks.
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The Lynchback has a fuller low end than almost every Celestion......except for maybe the G12H30. I don't see how they managed to do that with a small magnet. I really doubt that the Creamback is going to have more lows.

BTW, how can you make these conclusions without the Creamback even hitting the market yet? Did you somehow get a pair?
 
EyesOfTheSouth":2qfme4m1 said:
richedie":2qfme4m1 said:
I like the Lunckback but V30s and the new Creamback is still my two favorite.
LBs lack a bit of thick mids for me, and I prefer a more full low end, but they blend great with Creambacks. I don't like the Lynchbacks alone in a 212. Creambacks sound better in a 212. Similar to LBs, but more mids and bigger lows.

Live Creambacks and Lynchbacks in a 412 but I need a blend cause the LBs don't have enough squish. However, my favorite speakers for a 212 are V30s or G12K100s.

If I had to choose, I would take Creambacks over Lynchbacks.
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The Lynchback has a fuller low end than almost every Celestion......except for maybe the G12H30. I don't see how they managed to do that with a small magnet. I really doubt that the Creamback is going to have more lows.

BTW, how can you make these conclusions without the Creamback even hitting the market yet? Did you somehow get a pair?
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The low end on the Creamback 65 is much more full than the Lynchback. That is what Rick at Celestion told me, that the Creamback has bigger and more full lows than the LB, and he is correct when I tried them in my friend's studio when he had them next to the LBs. Who cares anyway....personal preference. My V30s have more full lows anyway.

I find the Lynchbacks need to be mixed. They good alone, but fantastic with Creambacks 65s. I wish Celestion would release these in the US soon so I can get my pair! :)

My b uddy has a set of Creambacks. They have been available in the U.K. for a while now and he has plenty of contacts over there. Lots of amp builders already have them as well. Scott Splawn has some. He agrees with me that the Lynchbacks are nice, but the new Creambacks are that much better. :)
 
We compared his original Marshall cab with original Greenbacks and I thought the Splawn cab with Creambacks and Lynchbacks held its own and may better for hard rock!
 
I talked to Rick about this and he said they have some secrets in getting such a full low end in small magnet speaker. Same with the Creamback. Best part is, you get the best of all worlds with either the Lynchback or Creamback and the two together are just crazy good.

EyesOfTheSouth":112yrsaf said:
richedie":112yrsaf said:
I like the Lunckback but V30s and the new Creamback is still my two favorite.
LBs lack a bit of thick mids for me, and I prefer a more full low end, but they blend great with Creambacks. I don't like the Lynchbacks alone in a 212. Creambacks sound better in a 212. Similar to LBs, but more mids and bigger lows.

Live Creambacks and Lynchbacks in a 412 but I need a blend cause the LBs don't have enough squish. However, my favorite speakers for a 212 are V30s or G12K100s.

If I had to choose, I would take Creambacks over Lynchbacks.
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The Lynchback has a fuller low end than almost every Celestion......except for maybe the G12H30. I don't see how they managed to do that with a small magnet. I really doubt that the Creamback is going to have more lows.

BTW, how can you make these conclusions without the Creamback even hitting the market yet? Did you somehow get a pair?
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OK, I am tired of waiting for Celestion to release the Creambacks in the USA. Any other speakers you can suggest?
 
Yeah, I'm getting sick of the wait as well. And who knows when the 16 ohm version is actually going to wash ashore in North America. We've been told October but, based on the track record, I have no reason to believe I will actually see them here by then.....
 
My othr option is going with 2 more Lynchbacks and call it a day! I think the LBs can lack some midrange though! I have played through Celestion Greenbacks that were broken in and sounded great so I may mix two 25 watt Greenbacks with my two Lynchbacks.

So, I am doing one of the following:
Lynchback/G12-65
Lynchback/Heritage GB
Lynchback/Reissue GB
 
Is richedie the only person on the face of the earth that has creambacks?? Keep hearing about them, yet to see any clips of them ANYWHERE! Or am i now to understand that you were basing all your opinions on a sound clips somewhere recorded through a cam?
 
Kapo_Polenton":1urlo3s1 said:
Is richedie the only person on the face of the earth that has creambacks?? Keep hearing about them, yet to see any clips of them ANYWHERE! Or am i now to understand that you were basing all your opinions on a sound clips somewhere recorded through a cam?
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Huh? They have been on sale in Europe for a while now! Lots of guys in Europe have them! Scott Splawn has a 412 loaded with Creambacks and my buddy got a set as well when he was in Europe.

I am going to try Lynchbacks/WGS ET65.
 
I thought you were adamant you wouldn't do anything other than Celestions?! :doh:

You should get some Weber Legacy's. They're on sale for $90 right now, so you could get both speakers for $180. Good speakers - better deal.

Get yourself a couple of 8 ohm, 65 watt speakers, with the 30 oz. magnet, 75 Hz cone, and standard British dust cap. They would mix brilliantly with your two 8 ohm Lynchbacks, be affordable and also meet your preference to have speakers with light magnet sizes.

https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/legacy12f.htm
 
Yeah but don't forget the weber over the top shipping costs! Like i mentioned in another thread, I paid about 164$ for one speaker by the time i got it here in Canada. Total B.S.
 
I have them shipped to Niagara Falls, NY and then go for a "road trip"..... ;)
 
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