Condolences to Stralia and all affected.

[jdel77]

To assume right and left isn’t determined by US politics is absurd.

Credit where it’s due.

Even though Right Vs Centre Vs Left politics was born from the French Revolution of 1789 - 1795-ish…

(Point 1.)

…there’s no other country which influences modern global politics in terms of economics, militarisation and reordering global hierarchies (eg: UN, NATO, AUKUS). Which is why as an Australian I have the fucking right to involve myself in American politics and will continue to do so, because what that narcissistic orange creature in the White House does impacts me as much as anyone else.

This constant American need to have a finger in the money pie is what started this shit in the Middle East in WW1 when the US and Britain carved the place up for oil resources.

I’ve said before, look at the relative security of Jews, Muslims, Christians living under Ottoman rule for 600-odd years there.

The Poms and Yanks couldn’t have all that money sitting there under the control of the Ottomans, so they removed it, created the Republic of Turkey, carved up the rest of the region to allow for licensing deals on the oil resources, refineries and exports and solidified this in 1948 with the creation of Israel to solve the humanitarian diaspora issue AND keep an ally smack-bang at the front door to Oil Central.

Further, they setup the wealth of the Saudi Arabian monarchy and similar UAE states with paid access grants for exploration to find more fucking oil.

Ever wonder why some nation states over there are indescribably advantaged when it comes to money, while others like Yemen fall straight into the “We Don’t Give A Fuck” pile?

Access to oil. Money. America. Power.

Which brings me to…

Point 2.

Guns aren’t the issue.

The issue is that paid gun rights and licenses for the individual are prioritised by Congress and Federal/State licensing authorities and agencies over the safety and security of the collective society.

Fuck all time and energy is thrown at mental health, so when you get someone like a Palestinian Muslim who has been generationally marginalised, moved into ghettos, had water cut off and their land stolen by the filthy and greedy Israeli government, combine that with mental health and ease of getting guns, then you have the current issue. Which brings me to Point 3.

Point 3:

The gun issue is solely about protecting the insane amount of money which gun ownership generates for the government, sold to honest and good people as their Constitutional Right.

Then assholes break in to homes/cars and steal guns or generate a black market supply of them and now we have even more open access.

I’m not for removing guns. But until someone comes up with a way to make sure they’re not so easy for mentally ill lunatics to get their hands on, then what’s a better solution?

It’s similar to the abortion issue.
Conservatives lose their fucking minds when it comes to keeping babies alive until they’re born, but none of you give a shit about that baby afterwards. Where’s the same fanatical level of concern for the baby as a child or society more broadly?

Same with guns.
Conservatives lose their minds when it comes to making guns accessible for people to “keep and bear arms”, but where’s the same level of concern for all of you signing up for your local “well regulated militia”???

And are you equally concerned about said guns falling into the hands of mentally ill mass shooters?

Do you wear T-shirts saying “God, Guns and Adequate Mental Health Programs”??

Do you go down to the range to Rambo up a paper target and then go by the local psych clinic to make sure Crazy Tommy has his meds?

Do you know any Palestinian refugees (I’m NOT talking about Hamas terrorists here) and their families who’ve been on the receiving end of fucking 75 years of government sanctioned deprivation of human rights to see if it’s maybe, just maybe, fucked with their minds, even just a little bit??

Of course not. But hey, guns for all, right ?

 

[Floyd Eye]

Credit where it’s due.

Right Vs Centre Vs Left politics was born from the French Revolution of 1789 - 1795-ish.

Point 1.

But, there’s no other country which influences modern global politics in terms of economics, militarisation and reordering global hierarchies (eg: UN, NATO, AUKUS).

This constant need to have a finger in the pie is what I believe started this shit in the Middle East in WW1 when the US and Britain carved the place up for oil resources.

I’ve said before, look at the relative security of Jews, Muslims, Christians living under Ottoman rule for 600-odd years there.

The Poms and Yanks couldn’t have all that money sitting there under the control of the Ottomans, so they removed it, created the Republic of Turkey, carved up the rest to allow for licensing deals on the oil resources, refineries and exports and solidified this in 1948 with the creation of Israel to solve the humanitarian diaspora issue AND keep an ally smack-bang in Oil Central.

Further, they setup the wealth of the Saudi Arabian monarchy and similar UAE states with paid access grants.

Ever wonder why some nation states over there are indescribably advantaged when it comes to money, while others like Yemen fall straight into the “We Don’t Give A Fuck” pile?

Access to oil. Money. America.

Which brings me to…

Point 2.

Guns aren’t the issue.

The issue is that paid gun rights and licenses for the individual are prioritised by Congress and Federal/State licensing authorities and agencies over the safety and security of the collective.

Fuck all time and energy is thrown at mental health, so when you get someone like a Palestinian Muslim who has been marginalised, moved into ghettos, had water cut off and their land stolen by the greedy Israeli government, combine that with mental health and ease of getting guns, then you have the current issue.

The gun issue is solely about protecting the insane amount of money which gun ownership generates for the government, sold to honest and good people as their Constitutional Right.

Then assholes break in to homes/cars and steal guns or generate a black market supply of them and now we have even more open access.

You clearly have no actual clue about what's actually going on in the US. I have no idea where you get your information from but this:

"The issue is that paid gun rights and licenses for the individual are prioritised by Congress and Federal/State licensing authorities and agencies over the safety and security of the collective." and this:

"The gun issue is solely about protecting the insane amount of money which gun ownership generates for the government, sold to honest and good people as their Constitutional Right."

Is the most absurd fucking thing I've ever heard. I don't know who's telling you this shit, but as an American gun owner for 4 decades now I can assure you it is complete bullshit.

If gun ownership generated insane amounts of money for the government, they sure as fuck wouldn't even be attempting to curb it. This is literally the only time you have posted something that made me think you may just be stupid. First of all, almost no guns in civilian hands are subject to licenses. There are some states which require licenses to carry concealed ( less than half) but the license fees aren't exorbitant and only apply at all to people with concealed carry licenses. Which as I said are only required in I think 24 states and in many of those they are extremely difficult to obtain. It sounds to me like the next in a long line of lies from anti-gun idiots who have had every single argument they ever made debunked over and over again. And "Sold to good people as a constitutional right"? Are you kidding man ? It absolutely is undeniably a constitutional right. Since 1776. Ho Lee Fuk dude.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I hear that, but of what use is a “Constitutional Right” when it comes at the expense of human lives?

It’s also an Amendment. Which means, if you guys wanted to, it could be amended.




He definitely does deserve a medal, or at least the money raised to improve the quality of life for his family.

Also, he took the gun and chose not to shoot. He had it in his hands.

Further, he’s Syrian and a cop, so we can assume has been surrounded by enough violence in his professional life to be ok with shooting.

We can also assume he’s been trained how to use firearms and knew how to take the gun off the guy.

He chose not to shoot.

Cars kill more people than guns. Fun fact, there are nearly as many overdose deaths per prescription as there are gun deaths per firearm in the US. 2/3 of gun deaths in the US are suicides. Many things that are definitely not constitutional rights kill more people than guns. So if anyone actually gave a fuck about things that happen at the expense of human lives there is a whole host of shit that you should worry about before you start looking at guns. Turn off your fucking TV man.

 

[Floyd Eye]

What goes on there?

You seem white. Take a walk around up there and get back to me about how it went.

 

[Robostyle]

I hear that, but of what use is a “Constitutional Right” when it comes at the expense of human lives?

It’s also an Amendment. Which means, if you guys wanted to, it could be amended.




He definitely does deserve a medal, or at least the money raised to improve the quality of life for his family.

Also, he took the gun and chose not to shoot. He had it in his hands.

Further, he’s Syrian and a cop, so we can assume has been surrounded by enough violence in his professional life to be ok with shooting.

We can also assume he’s been trained how to use firearms and knew how to take the gun off the guy.

He chose not to shoot.

I assume nothing.
You're making a lot of assumptions though.
You don't understand our Constitution and that's ok.