Did anyone just see that Obama speech?

[theNoseBleedKid]

How is my midset corrupt?

You're eating too much junk food and not doing enough sit-ups?

At this point I'm presuming my arguments just absolutely dominated yours so totally you can't forumalte a response. Which, lets face it, is hardly surprising. Especially since you have no idea what socialism, marxist, communism or leninism are. Maybe if you'd done some reading instead of all those situps you might be able to engage with someone intelligently.

Now whose the one making assumptions?

(dont bother answering that, it was a rhetorical question)

 

[Copperhead]

Dear noseBleed:

I heard a funny story recently. A highly opinionated Australian was publicly speaking in Malasia. At one point during his discourse, he stated "I can't help it, I'm Aussie...." to which the normally reserved crowd erupted in raucous laughter!
Afterwards, he learned that there is a slang word in Malay, "auzy" which means to be in the condition of desperately needing one's diaper changed: "Go change little Bobby's diaper, he's very auzy...."

There is no point, save for the entertainment value, in debating your nonsense.
You are an expert at spewing great volumes of "auzy" out of your skull.
You misread what I say, then go off on a tangent. (example: "career Politburo not "career Politician")
Your grammatical and spelling errors make your posts difficult to follow.
You get easily rattled and respond with anger and insults, and they're not even creative or original. ("tool" )
You have no sense of humor, and cannot sense the difference between ribbing and serious debate..........which makes it more fun for me, for a time.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

To me, this is a serious debate, I thought that was obvious. Since plenty of people HAVE been joking and your the first that I've missed theres obviously not a problem solely with me.

I did miss the politburo, I admit it - however that's still not a socialist, or marxist, or communist trait at all. So refering to it as communist is still a mistake, albeit a small one - but I think it's relevant since no one here is arguing Leninism has any real applications in modern politics.

Never claimed I or my insults were creative or original - but thats the pot calling the kettle black right there.

This is the internet, everyone makes spelling and grammar errors, you have to. It's irrelevant to me.

Once again you ignore the thrust of MY arguments, don't address any of my points at all. I'm still left assuming the only reason you haven't is because you can't.

 

[Code001]

To me, this is a serious debate

 

[Copperhead]

To me, this is a serious debate

 

[mctallica1]

To me, this is a serious debate

I found that funny too

 

[Copperhead]

Once again you ignore the thrust of MY arguments, don't address any of my points at all.

Correct! Because this chat forum is not about you! It's about ME!
....and MY entertainment!!

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

But your not interesting...........

 

[defpearlpilot]

I don't know if you are referring to me but in general I happen to agree that running the government should be like running a business. The key differences is that running a business means running it purely for profit. And I don't think that this is the purpose of government.

However, I know that from working with the government, that many are inept and lack ambition. There are equally as many in the private sector that are inept. The key difference is that in the private sector, people have fear of losing their jobs due to poor performance. There should be either positive or negative incentives that will improve the quality of those that work in the public sector.

I agree with a lot of this. But I'm failing to see how you can say; "government should be run like a business" - than admit the profit motive is a negative thing in government. Businesses and profit are mutually inclusive, you can;t have one without the other.

I'm also trying to see how a private sector employment relationship is relevant to a public sector government. Though I'll happily conceed a lot of government workers dont have a clue.

Profiting from one's work in government should be just ONE incentive. The government has a social/societal aspect of responsibility. FTR, I think that private sector CEO compensation is absolutely ridiculous, especially when dealing with healthcare.

The public sector don't have the same fear of losing their jobs for doing a half-assed job. If you do a half-assed job for a private owner, you won't be doing it much longer. I worked in a university that had a contract with the military and the stupidity was mind boggling. Whereas the dumbasses at the university got canned(although even that takes a longer time than corporate america), these morons with the military were there for tens of years.

 

[verderacer]

Dan Quayle!! The poster child for "My Political Career Destroyed By The Media Foundation"!!

Dan Quayle in reality, is a very intelligent businessman. He is the CEO of Cerberus Capital Management, a company that purchases large corporations in trouble, turns them around into profit generators, and re-sells them. They are very successful and very large. BTW, they recently bought Chrysler Corp.

I guess old Dan has got the last laugh. I sure wish Dan Quayle or someone like him would run for President. But if you've got enough money to buy Chrysler, why would you want to endure that mess again?

Quayle was the one opponent on the purchase Chrysler internally and was quoted in saying that he does enjoy a challenge ahead.

Another good business man is Mitt Romney.

Lastly It is interesting to see how my written words get twisted and misread. It is very typical tactic. I never said Obama was a Marxist. I just think much of his ideology is firmly rooted in it.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Care to name some specifics? It'd be a lot harder to take your words OUT of context if you gave them some.

Saying his idealology is rooted in Marxist is way open to interpretation.

 

[ttosh]

Seriously, what's needed is less politicians and more businessmen in office. The notion of statesman was to leave your business, serve your fellow citizen by holding office and operating the government for a time, then go back to private life. The whole development of career politician is what breeds corruption. Ultimately, this is the failure of communism. In the USSR, an elite class of career Politburo exists in a system where all are supposed to be equal.

I expect you to completely misrepresent and not understand what I just said. Your socialist mindset and corrupt reasoning will not allow it. That's not an insult, just an observation of how you operate.
That's why you love Obama, he hates America and so do you.

 

[SeaDog]

I am republican anyway so I do not buy into the liberal belief that you take from the working man to give to the lazy bastard. I do not trust him or his wife based on my own research and watching him, those are my opinions just as you have yours.

Politics aside this is prehaps the most horrible and ridiculous thing I have read in sometime.

You claim to go to Church? Well I'm not aware of a religion that doesn't preach some form of charity to those elss fortunate! What's wrong with government regulating that? Especially in vases of disability or mental issues? What happened to reducing homelessness? It's all very well to say a homeless person should go get a job, but whose going to hire them! It's a vicious cycle, I can't understand why your advocating the government stand by and watch millions of people within America starve when they could spend a little to help them enormously. To me thats ghastly!

Nosebleed - I don't think anyone in the US wants to see "millions" of Americans starving but it's exactly the government regulations that many of us are against. Our government hasn't done a very good job of fixing our homeless issue since the great depression and have broken the peoples trust. Our government currently doesn't sit by and watch as "millions" starve they actually spend millions in social programs to try and correct poverty, they just waste a lot of it on poor judgement and missmanagement. I'm not sure I'd agree that there are "millions" of homeless people in the US anyway but I don't have the stats to say for sure. The main problem with Obama (beside not having a real plan) in my opinion is he's a believer in redistribution of wealth. Taxing people and "giving" it to the poor in poorly managed social programs hasn't worked in this country for the last 40 years, so giving more makes no sense to me. In the end the ultra rich never really get hurt by it, but it does kill those of us who are in the low six figure bracket. The government considers us "wealthy", yet if you live in a state like NJ, you will not be living large on a salary between 100 to 200 thousand.

What we need in the office is a free thinker, and I don't believe Obama is that guy.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Fair enough - thanks for explaining your opinion to me!

 

[stratotone]

I don't care about party lines. I've heard about this story before. I'm not sure if he was tried for it but I would have no problems putting him away if he was found guilty. Just because I have a liberal mindset doesn't mean that I blindly follow the Democrats.

FYI, If Ron Paul got the Republican nomination, I would have surely voted for him. If he goes independent on the ballot I will probably vote for him. But unless that happens, I can't possibly let McCain continue on in this bullshit illegal war.

Sad thing is, it wasn't a 'story' - about the only penalty that Ted got was it destroyed his chances of ever being president. Only people in his part of the country would be crazy enough to elect him to office over and over.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I am republican anyway so I do not buy into the liberal belief that you take from the working man to give to the lazy bastard. I do not trust him or his wife based on my own research and watching him, those are my opinions just as you have yours.

Politics aside this is prehaps the most horrible and ridiculous thing I have read in sometime.

You claim to go to Church? Well I'm not aware of a religion that doesn't preach some form of charity to those elss fortunate! What's wrong with government regulating that? Especially in vases of disability or mental issues? What happened to reducing homelessness? It's all very well to say a homeless person should go get a job, but whose going to hire them! It's a vicious cycle, I can't understand why your advocating the government stand by and watch millions of people within America starve when they could spend a little to help them enormously. To me thats ghastly!

Nosebleed - I don't think anyone in the US wants to see "millions" of Americans starving but it's exactly the government regulations that many of us are against. Our government hasn't done a very good job of fixing our homeless issue since the great depression and have broken the peoples trust. Our government currently doesn't sit by and watch as "millions" starve they actually spend millions in social programs to try and correct poverty, they just waste a lot of it on poor judgement and missmanagement. I'm not sure I'd agree that there are "millions" of homeless people in the US anyway but I don't have the stats to say for sure. The main problem with Obama (beside not having a real plan) in my opinion is he's a believer in redistribution of wealth. Taxing people and "giving" it to the poor in poorly managed social programs hasn't worked in this country for the last 40 years, so giving more makes no sense to me. In the end the ultra rich never really get hurt by it, but it does kill those of us who are in the low six figure bracket. The government considers us "wealthy", yet if you live in a state like NJ, you will not be living large on a salary between 100 to 200 thousand.

What we need in the office is a free thinker, and I don't believe Obama is that guy.

AMEN!!!