DIEZEL AMP BUT WICH ONE ?

[Heritage Softail]

OP - Did you hear/play a Hagen? Curious why that wasn't on the list. Seems to have a cult following already.

I can't find a Hagen myself. I have played VH4 and Herbie. Two awesome amps. Can't go wrong. I dug the Scmidt but probably not your bag. Stunning, I mean awesome cleans....

Good luck on the tone quest.

 

[Ventura]

Well , my influence are Smashing Pumpkins , but i heard ...
Nirvana , Metallica, Killswitch Engage , Slipknot , Oasis , Blur , Hendrix , Aerosmith , Beatles , ...the list is too long .

I'm going to the Herbert at these time .
Herbert look simple, 3 channels and beautifull Amp sound ...

Good choice. YOU HEAR THAT UNCLE MO?? HE'S GOING WITH THE HERBERT!!!!!

Well then... I'm just going to curl up in the corner of my living room and beat my nuts to a pulp

(Seriously, this is called "evolution", he'll start with the Herbert as so many do and eventually progress to the VH4...happens all the time)

Enjoy your Herbert - it's a killer amp hands down!!!

Mojo...UNCLE Mo!!!!!

 

[bananaladonpcp]

Well , my influence are Smashing Pumpkins , but i heard ...
Nirvana , Metallica, Killswitch Engage , Slipknot , Oasis , Blur , Hendrix , Aerosmith , Beatles , ...the list is too long .

I'm going to the Herbert at these time .
Herbert look simple, 3 channels and beautifull Amp sound ...

Good choice. YOU HEAR THAT UNCLE MO?? HE'S GOING WITH THE HERBERT!!!!!

Well then... I'm just going to curl up in the corner of my living room and beat my nuts to a pulp

(Seriously, this is called "evolution", he'll start with the Herbert as so many do and eventually progress to the VH4...happens all the time)

Enjoy your Herbert - it's a killer amp hands down!!!

Mojo...UNCLE Mo!!!!!

HAHAHAHA

 

[Mailman1971]

I concur.......Diezels tone is the supreme!
Either or......you will be PLEASANTLY Surprised!

 

[King Crimson]

Quietly pick one, and don't ask for anyone's advice in the meantime.

Mojo

...get the VH4.

Yeah, what Mo said. With exception → ...get a Herbert, any version.

Hey Mo, did you officially go to the "USCIS" and change your name to "Mojo"? Just curious . . .

 

[Ventura]

Quietly pick one, and don't ask for anyone's advice in the meantime.

Mojo

...get the VH4.

Yeah, what Mo said. With exception → ...get a Herbert, any version.

Hey Mo, did you officially go to the "USCIS" and change your name to "Mojo"? Just curious . . .

No, it just morphed into that from years ago... My close friends (even a lot of ex's) call me Mojo, most people call me Mo, and my real name is something quite different. It works. But I've not officially changed my name nor considered a formal name change. I like the usefulness of having "varying degrees" of "handles" or "monikers". If someone calls me by my formal name - I know they don't know me, or I'm in shit with the law or revenue canada. If someone calls me "Mo", it's standard to-be-expected business as usual, perhaps a friendly chinwag. If someone calls me Mojo, I know it's a cool cat (or kitten) who really knows me

[To the OP]:
So how's that Herbert doing in the classifieds? For sale yet? Should be able to get enough cabbage from that to buy the money head, V.

Uncle

 

[spirit7]

Given your varied influences, I sincerely hope that (in addition to Diezel) you've considered a Bogner 20th Ann. XTC...

 

[guitarnie]

Buy both, A/B and then take one back. (ask first)

 

[K-mark5]

I've recently had a rather weird experience with a hagen live. A friend of mine bought it like a month ago, i was completely excited that someone in our area got one. So .. I come to this gig of theirs to really hear it live how it performs in combination with a VHT Sig X, they both play 7strig guitars, really interesting stuff.
I could not hear him, I don't know what the problem was but I was standing right in front of the cab and it sounded like a bassy mush without clarity, the cab was onstage facing my head (orange 412 with V30s)
I went backwards to listen to the PA, nothing, the only situation where i was able to hear him was during those little pauses where only 1 instrument played in these kind of intermezzos and he was quite loud, so volume levels were definitely not the problem. I kinda felt that he fought with the bass guitar's EQ.. I talked to him later about the settings and he showed me that his bass was like on 9 o clock.. it sounded like fully dimed Maybe it just did not combine well with the orange he has, I know they tend to sound too lowmid focused and boomy

 

[slyvren]

I've recently had a rather weird experience with a hagen live. A friend of mine bought it like a month ago, i was completely excited that someone in our area got one. So .. I come to this gig of theirs to really hear it live how it performs in combination with a VHT Sig X, they both play 7strig guitars, really interesting stuff.
I could not hear him, I don't know what the problem was but I was standing right in front of the cab and it sounded like a bassy mush without clarity, the cab was onstage facing my head (orange 412 with V30s)
I went backwards to listen to the PA, nothing, the only situation where i was able to hear him was during those little pauses where only 1 instrument played in these kind of intermezzos and he was quite loud, so volume levels were definitely not the problem. I kinda felt that he fought with the bass guitar's EQ.. I talked to him later about the settings and he showed me that his bass was like on 9 o clock.. it sounded like fully dimed Maybe it just did not combine well with the orange he has, I know they tend to sound too lowmid focused and boomy

Don't knock the Orange cab... I play my Diezels through one at times and its a great cab. The thing with Hagen is it's inherently quieter than VH4 and Einstien. You need to crank the mids and channel volumes to even think about competing in a band context. That said he should have been mic'd. That's where Hagen shines and starts taking names. What was his deep knob set to? Sometimes I have to put mine low. It could also be the bass player not understanding that he's cutting at 7 string frequencies. I've had many of problems with bass players trying to eat up guitar space in the mix.

Maybe the other guitarist just needs to turn down.

Either way I'm just trying to point out that the problem isn't the equipment it's the execution.

 

[K-mark5]

who knows.. he was miced with a Sm57, the other guitar player was playing on normal volume levels.. its weird cause the other guitarist with the sig x was not fighting any bass frequencies at all, so, I can't see how the bass would be the one to blame.. if not the other way around.. I was standing in front of the cab that was up on stage facing my head,too and it was indeed boomy, bassy and processed sounding, i would dscribe it as Hi-Fi Solid state like sound..

 

[Jofipe]

How would you describe the difference between the 3rd channel on the VH4 and a similar sort of setting on the Einstein?

 

[slyvren]

How would you describe the difference between the 3rd channel on the VH4 and a similar sort of setting on the Einstein?

Apples and Pears...

Einstein can get like 70% the sound of vh4 chan 3. Einstein is looser and more organic. Oddly enough Einstein can get sick drop tuned metal sounds. If you want vh4's channel 3 get a vh4. There is no substitute.

 

[Ventura]

Given your varied influences, I sincerely hope that (in addition to Diezel) you've considered a Bogner 20th Ann. XTC...

There is this, but I personally always refrain from this as an option in a Diezel thread for one reason - and a very specific reason at that: The XTC doesn't "do" that Diezel siggy tone, only Diezel does. What I've tried describing in terms of "rubbery metallic bouncing 3D thickness" of the Diezel signature rhythm tone (Ch.3 VH4 was where it started) is the one "thing" I've seen maintained throughout the DIezel lineage. Hell, even the Schmidt's got some of this in it. NO other amp has this. I have "come close" to the above mentioned "sonic description" with - believe it or not - my Mak4's "crunch" channel, but it is only a distant resemblance when A/B'd to the real deal. Diezel is simply Diezel. And to set the record straight - Herbert is a monster amongst the masse - I'm not a dissident to Herbert. In fact I've pondered having another one as a keeper in my artillery. They're all good. I just think the V is a bit more gooder than the Herb on many levels

That being said, ya man, for that greasiness and slipperiness of an amp that has it's own thang going on and makes almost anything sound musical, the 20thX is off the hook.

Peace!
Uncle Mo

 

[Ventura]

How would you describe the difference between the 3rd channel on the VH4 and a similar sort of setting on the Einstein?

Apples and Pears...

Einstein can get like 70% the sound of vh4 chan 3. Einstein is looser and more organic. Oddly enough Einstein can get sick drop tuned metal sounds. If you want vh4's channel 3 get a vh4. There is no substitute.

Damn straight it can - wide open and chewing!!! But a totally a different tone than the Herb or V.

 

[slyvren]

who knows.. he was miced with a Sm57, the other guitar player was playing on normal volume levels.. its weird cause the other guitarist with the sig x was not fighting any bass frequencies at all, so, I can't see how the bass would be the one to blame.. if not the other way around.. I was standing in front of the cab that was up on stage facing my head,too and it was indeed boomy, bassy and processed sounding, i would dscribe it as Hi-Fi Solid state like sound..

I'm just listing possibilities. I was not there. I have a Hagen and you have to work it to get things right. It's not a simple process like a VH4. Reza and I are saying the same things here man. Which channel was he using? How much gain? Pickups? What was the EQ? There are so many variables we're just trying to point you in the right direction. Hagen isn't easy to master especially with 2 guitarists. BTW the bass can easily fight with one guitarist and not the other... The band has to work like a well oiled machine and carve out room in the mix for eachother. Each instrument should cut at different frequencies. Typically one guitarist is fizzy and the other is more middy...

 

[MADFULL]

I sold my Both amps , next week i'm gonna choose my new AMp a Diezel .
About the VH-4 / HERBERT and DE MOLL

What are the positives points for each and what are the Negatives points
Need your help guys

 

[tubescreamer]

I suggest to try a Hagen with a 2x12" front loaded G12K100... It's tone heaven for me!

Imho This is the best combination for a versatile setup... you can go from pure, cristalline clean, to ultra deep modern metal tones. Also I have found those nice Lynch 80's metal tone on channel 3.

I found the Hagen better than VH4 (less compressed and more organic) and better than Herbert (can do metal very similar, but have any other better tones)

 

[hopkinWFG]

yeah would like to know of which of the diezels sounded more raw tight on bass with a huge low end sweet clean mids without the sizzle?

 

[MADFULL]

Rezamatix have Both : Hagen and Vh-4 he's the only one who know the diff. between amps .
I'm asking to him what he suggest to me buying HAGEN or VH-4 ?