Do I Need an Old Recto in My Life?

[endofall]

I've owned an early revision/transition G 2 channel dual recto. I sent it to Mesa had it repaired and modded to a revision C. It was amazing. When the mark VII came out I started flipping and trading some amps working towards a mark VII. Ended up getting a MultiWatt Triple on a trade that I had intended to sell. Before I listed it though I shot it out against my modded 2 channel. I ended up selling the 2 channel G/C. The triple MW was amazing and pretty much sounded the same. I rolled some tubes that I had laying around in it thinking it had to be better than the JJ's that where in it and never really compared it back to how I originally got it. Recently I had an early tremoverb with a series loop in from a friend and was blown away at how much better it sounded than my triple. Anyways long story short I ended up putting the JJ's preamp tubes back into the triple MW and it was just as good as the early tremoverb. I say all this to say, keep an eye out for a MW triple and don't be shy about putting JJ's in the preamp section. Mine is a monster that has stood up to two early rectos.

 

[RaceU4her]

Reminds us that speakers/cab will affect things more than this version vs that one - but that's not always the case.

and most of us arent gonna have a C/D/E/F/G/whatever at the same time to compare, and then what works with one guitar and cab might not be as good as the next, thats why i just went with the classic G

 

[311boogieman]

and most of us arent gonna have a C/D/E/F/G/whatever at the same time to compare, and then what works with one guitar and cab might not be as good as the next, thats why i just went with the classic G

I took that concept a bit further and had my G modded to C so I could experience the difference.
Much tighter now, hardly use a boost anymore, more 'clank' has @harddriver put it. But still has the "G juice"

 

[neptoess]

I took that concept a bit further and had my G modded to C so I could experience the difference.
Much tighter now, hardly use a boost anymore, more 'clank' has @harddriver put it. But still has the "G juice"

I’ve come to accept that I _like_ playing through a boost. I thought for the longest time that I would love to have an amp I could just plug straight into and have it sound perfect but… for metal, I always prefer playing with a boost.

 

[311boogieman]

I’ve come to accept that I _like_ playing through a boost. I thought for the longest time that I would love to have an amp I could just plug straight into and have it sound perfect but… for metal, I always prefer playing with a boost.

Me too.

 

[Shask]

I’ve come to accept that I _like_ playing through a boost. I thought for the longest time that I would love to have an amp I could just plug straight into and have it sound perfect but… for metal, I always prefer playing with a boost.

I almost always do also except for some specific situations, like many of the Synergy modules for example.

 

[Racerxrated]

My recto experience was like this:
Bought 2 early Rev G duals, small logo/attached power cord. They both had a low mid bloat that I couldn't dial out. Not a bad sound but not for me. Then, 2 G Triples....first was a blackout small logo, now THAT is a great sound. No mid bloat, tighter than the duals and boosted was killer. Tried another G triple, small logo/chrome chassis but this one didn't sound as good as the blackout one. Both were miles better to my ear than the G duals, for what I like anyway. But, I had an opportunity to grab an F Triple so I sold the G...as good as the G Triple was, the F totally stomped it. Way more rich/organic tone...3D, whatever term one wants to use for just a BETTER sound. I then understood why the early revisions were sought after.

Eventually I scored a Rev C Dual. That amp was the BEST of all the Mesas I owned...over 4 C+s, and the previous Rectos. It had a feel that was similar to a C+, and the power section punched like a vintage super lead. The King of the Mesas to my ear. In the end, all got sold as I'm a Marshall player at heart.
But, I am intrigued by the 90s RI and will grab a Triple at some point this year. If they are so good that a C recto blushes, well..I'm in.

 

[VHTStark]

I've owned an early revision/transition G 2 channel dual recto. I sent it to Mesa had it repaired and modded to a revision C. It was amazing. When the mark VII came out I started flipping and trading some amps working towards a mark VII. Ended up getting a MultiWatt Triple on a trade that I had intended to sell. Before I listed it though I shot it out against my modded 2 channel. I ended up selling the 2 channel G/C. The triple MW was amazing and pretty much sounded the same. I rolled some tubes that I had laying around in it thinking it had to be better than the JJ's that where in it and never really compared it back to how I originally got it. Recently I had an early tremoverb with a series loop in from a friend and was blown away at how much better it sounded than my triple. Anyways long story short I ended up putting the JJ's preamp tubes back into the triple MW and it was just as good as the early tremoverb. I say all this to say, keep an eye out for a MW triple and don't be shy about putting JJ's in the preamp section. Mine is a monster that has stood up to two early rectos.

Ya, I am really impressed with my Multi-watt Recto. I like it better than ANY Rev G I have owned over the years and as much as any Rev F I have played. While it is inherently a bit tighter and present in the upper mids, it can still do the 90's Rev G thing if you want it to. And for cheaper, as I do see decent deals for Multi-watts around.

 

[Beyond Black]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion w/o being a dickhead.

Just one old fucker busting the balls of another

 

[neptoess]

Figured I’d post here. I’ve had the rev G triple for a bit. It shipped with EL34s. Had no issue dialing in great sounds on vintage orange and modern red, but I couldn’t help my curiosity, so I ordered a set of STR 445 6L6 tubes for it. I definitely like the amp better with the 6L6s. Modern red is seriously addictive. I’ve never played another guitar amp with this kind of feel.

 

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Just one old fucker busting the balls of another

The face of briliance

 

[311boogieman]

Congrats and yes modern red is very addictive.

I switched my Dual up the other night to dig into the opposite tone. Orange. Vintage. Spongy. Tube rectified. Super cool tone and pretty Marshally to my ear but still the undeniable lower mid thing. Had a lot of fun. But back to Modern Red for me

 

[neptoess]

Congrats and yes modern red is very addictive.

I switched my Dual up the other night to dig into the opposite tone. Orange. Vintage. Spongy. Tube rectified. Super cool tone and pretty Marshally to my ear but still the undeniable lower mid thing. Had a lot of fun. But back to Modern Red for me

It definitely has more cool sounds in it than I expected. Have you tried orange cloned to modern with the orange gain set to clean? That does a pretty cool fat, bluesy, sustainy sound.

Of course, I bought this thing solely for the boosted modern red scooped death metal sound, and it does it extremely well. I played with the tube rectifier and spongy power stuff, but quickly went back to bold / diode. I have other amps (JMP 2203, tweed deluxe, 6505) for when I want to get into other stuff

 

[OldGtrGuy]

There’s no triple reissue yet though, and the triples apparently sound meaner than the duals

Id go for this. Been wanting a triple. No real life experience just live bands and albums I like.

 

[neptoess]

Id go for this. Been wanting a triple. No real life experience just live bands and albums I like.

I ended up buying a used rev G, but the triple reissue does exist now

 

[OldGtrGuy]

I ended up buying a used rev G, but the triple reissue does exist now

Nice, congrats. I didnt read all the replies. Late to the party, hope you like it

 

[neptoess]

Nice, congrats. I didnt read all the replies. Late to the party, hope you like it

I love it. Similar to my 2203, it sounded almost exactly how I wanted it to when I first plugged into it, and some quick knob tweaks later got it right where I wanted it. These two are the only amps I’ve bought that just clicked like that

 

[Shask]

It definitely has more cool sounds in it than I expected. Have you tried orange cloned to modern with the orange gain set to clean? That does a pretty cool fat, bluesy, sustainy sound.

Of course, I bought this thing solely for the boosted modern red scooped death metal sound, and it does it extremely well. I played with the tube rectifier and spongy power stuff, but quickly went back to bold / diode. I have other amps (JMP 2203, tweed deluxe, 6505) for when I want to get into other stuff

I have been spending a lot of time lately playing my old 2-channel Triple because I have been making ToneX captures of it. I have been trying to find sounds on the orange channel I like, but I can just never get into it. It always sounds fuzzy and congested to me. The Red channel is amazing of course. I always wonder how people can like the Orange channel so much, lol. It just sounds like Foo Fighters or something to me.

 

[neptoess]

I have been spending a lot of time lately playing my old 2-channel Triple because I have been making ToneX captures of it. I have been trying to find sounds on the orange channel I like, but I can just never get into it. It always sounds fuzzy and congested to me. The Red channel is amazing of course. I always wonder how people can like the Orange channel so much, lol. It just sounds like Foo Fighters or something to me.

Orange vintage, bold, diodes, with EL34s sounds awesome. I think I may even prefer orange vintage OVER red modern when the amp is running EL34s.

Power tubes aside though: Orange cloned to modern sounds… very close to red modern. Really, the orange and red channels aren’t drastically different. The biggest difference is the NFB / presence knob changes between modern and vintage (regardless of whether you’re on red or orange). Tweak the knobs though, and you can get very similar tones on both channels. Vintage will just be less bloomy / 3D because the NFB tightens everything up and modern doesn’t have any NFB. Also, really high settings on the presence knob in vintage will be really fizzy, since it’s a traditional NFB-based presence circuit, which affects the high end response of the power amp. The presence knob is in the preamp for modern.

 

[Shask]

Orange vintage, bold, diodes, with EL34s sounds awesome. I think I may even prefer orange vintage OVER red modern when the amp is running EL34s.

Power tubes aside though: Orange cloned to modern sounds… very close to red modern. Really, the orange and red channels aren’t drastically different. The biggest difference is the NFB / presence knob changes between modern and vintage (regardless of whether you’re on red or orange). Tweak the knobs though, and you can get very similar tones on both channels. Vintage will just be less bloomy / 3D because the NFB tightens everything up and modern doesn’t have any NFB. Also, really high settings on the presence knob in vintage will be really fizzy, since it’s a traditional NFB-based presence circuit, which affects the high end response of the power amp. The presence knob is in the preamp for modern.

Yeah, the best sounds I get on the Orange channel sound similar to the Red channel, only not quite as good, so I just flip back to the Red channel, lol.

I also find the Orange channel super picky about the volume. Below about 9 oclock is super fuzzy like a broken fuzz pedal, but above 1 oclock gets super weird and bloated in the mids. The best sounds seem to come from the volume right around 10-11 oclock. There is a very small window of acceptable tones. The Red channel isnt this specific.

I will have to try Orange cloned to Red more. I have tried it, but generally dont use the cloning.