Do you boost your Diezel ?

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Hey guys,

I've been having my Hagen for almost a week now, it's actually sounding better and better, like if it needs a "break up", because of the new tubes I suppose...

I've found my sweet spot on Channel 3, exactly where the line start over the gain knob. All is fine... except for the palm mutes that I don't feel so tight, and if I crank the gain it's a bit too muddy for me.

I was thinking about using a boost in front of the amp, a first test with ma TS clone with gain @ 0 level @ max was quite pleasant. The best would be an "always on" pedal... What kind of boost do you use with your Diezels ? Or may be I'm the only one ? I was mainly thinking about the Xotic EP booster...

Thanks !
 
Reiep":2s5fqzgi said:
Hey guys,

I've found my sweet spot on Channel 3, exactly where the line start over the gain knob. All is fine... except for the palm mutes that I don't feel so tight, and if I crank the gain it's a bit too muddy for me.
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I use for that a Carl Martin DC Drive with my Einstein and really like the results. The DC drive is a great pedal. I use it either in normal mode (and get something more like a vintage boost in the vein of a TS) or I use the fat mode which boosts the Diezel without loss of low end. Besides there is a boost mode in the pedal which is also very nice sounding. :rock:
 
Have you tried fiddling with the EQ, Pres and Deep? Maybe a bit more channel volume to get your cab to swing more? Maybe something somewhere in your chain sucking? Different pups? Or maybe just try a different cab if your current one is too boomy?

I can't help it but it just feels wrong to me pairing a 5k-6k amp that can give you pretty much all the tightness and gain you will ever need with some shabby overdrive... what a sacrilege. Obviously I am not preaching" efficiency" here, mind you. :D
 
i used my Analogman Tubescreamer. Aided a bit but i think the amp by itself is perfect. Just my $.02
 
kahawe":90jzm1ic said:
Have you tried fiddling with the EQ, Pres and Deep? Maybe a bit more channel volume to get your cab to swing more? Maybe something somewhere in your chain sucking? Different pups? Or maybe just try a different cab if your current one is too boomy?

I can't help it but it just feels wrong to me pairing a 5k-6k amp that can give you pretty much all the tightness and gain you will ever need with some shabby overdrive... what a sacrilege. Obviously I am not preaching" efficiency" here, mind you. :D
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I agree on your last sentence... I'm running direct to the amp without effect (except the OD for the tests), with an EMG JH-set, Diezel 212 FL V30 for the cab (which is still quite new too, maybe a factor).

By cranking a little bit more the presence and the mids I manage to get almost the same result so for now it's ok. And in the mix it's actually better without the boost :)

I think I got to much used too modelling amps :D

@all: thanks for the feedback !
 
i would just use the maxon 0d 808 or any other overdrive and try it first at unity gain with your settings and go from there.
 
I used to have Xotic BB Preamp to boost my Herbert but I sold it because it cut some low end and I wasn't able to compensate for that. However the BB is really great compared to many others out there on the market. If you want something completely clear to boost your guitar signal without changing the sound you can get Creation Audio Labs' MK4.23 Clean Boost. I am using the Boost section of my Creation Audio Labs' MW1. They are almost identical with the difference that the pedal has a little less gain. For example if you set the gain at 9 o'clock on the MW1 it would correspond to 11 on the MK4.23. It's plenty of boost left on the dial knob. It's just clean boost and it does it really very well. You can get your sound saturated and kind of full of frequencies. You would start hearing things you didn't imagine were there, so to say :)

With regards to getting your palm mutes tight you may want to invest some time playing around with the channel volumes and the master volumes on the amp. I found out that for Channel 2 on my Herbert I prefer the channel volume set around 10:30-11 and the Master volume about the same. This would let me dial in more gain (currently at about 2:30 o'clock) and still keep it tight when I palm mute. On Channel 3 though I keep the Channel volume around 9-9:30 and I use the other Master Volume at 12. If I increase the Channel Volume on CH3 it gets boomy and muddy and would not stay tight on palm mutes. This way the Gain on CH3 is set to about 2. This way I am having the EQ's on both channels set at about the same and the Presence is at 1:30 while Depth is about 9. That all of course suits my playing style and what I want and expect to hear. BTW, I am playing PRS Custom 24 with stock pickups and it's tuned C#/G#/E/B/F#/B (high to low).

Hope this helps.
 
I want to buy myself a TS 808. I tested it with my Herbert on monday. It sounded great! I didn´t believed that before. Especially I get a sweet sound when turned off. Nice bypass for the Herbert.
 
Yup....boosted the VH4 and the Herbert...
no gain on the pedal...but just LOVE the 'boosted' tone. :yes:
 
I boost the front end of VH4 mainly only when running the amp at very low (baby in the house) volumes with a klon, I find it helps tighten up the low end just enough to get some good crunch and tightness to the low strings for a low volume jam session.
At reasonable volumes and up (baby in the next suburb) its not needed for me, the amp and working power tubes brings all the goods !
 
I only have 100 watt Einstein, anything I put in front of it a is waste. I have tried everything I own, various Tube Drivers, Barber LTD, Ibanez, Maxon, a custom built Black Cat (Fred Bonte) dual cascading overdrive, etc. It is all noise to me on anything than the clean ch.
Wah, Fuzz and and or Fuzz octave is all the front sees.
I have strayed away from the "recommended" pre amp tubes and can dial in pretty close to whatever tone I need.
 
I think I found the solution...

...no boost :D

Actually by turning veeeery low the channel volumes and raising a bit the MV I get the same tighter low end than with the TS, but in the same time a way bigger low end. So all is fine for now :D However I'll give a try to your recommandations.

Thanks to everyone :thumbsup:
 
OCD on my Einstein, just to get a bit of extra push in Texas mode. Not because it is better.. just because it's different! :)
 
i sometimes use a maxon od-808 for my non-active pickup guitars with my vh4. but i generally prefer just guitar-->amp :)
 
I my opinion a maxon od808 is pure gold for metal tones (gain at 0, vol between 3 o'clock and full).
Use it in front of my Herbert and dont care about the bass cut - herbert has more than enough.
For the clean sounds I prefer to take it out of the signal chain via a Lehle D Loop. Great unit :thumbsup:
 
Having been a long time Diezel user, I started out experimenting with varied boosts and ODs to do exactly what you've asked for - but over time and getting to learn the Diezel product, I've foregone all ODs/Boosts in front and am utilizing the 2 master concept on the Hagen and working with the depth presence on the VH4 (along with that magic MV versus CV you speak of).

They're very very fine amps - you'll find with enough fiddling, there is no need for anything to "tighten" them up. At least this is what I've found.
 
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