Does everyone try to be Pantera?

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I don't think he means sound and technique shit. I think he means as a magnitude, success, influence, legacy etc.
I am pretty sure 98% of all bands would like the money! fame, drugs, bitches and all the shit that Pantera enjoyed at some point...
I don't think Lars and James are regret they never became as big as Pantera but the most are...
 
Knockout":1pzrdgvk said:
I don't think he means sound and technique shit. I think he means as a magnitude, success, influence, legacy etc.
I am pretty sure 98% of all bands would like the money! fame, drugs, bitches and all the shit that Pantera enjoyed at some point...
I don't think Lars and James are regret they never became as big as Pantera but the most are...
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Knockout":3i3hqqys said:
I don't think he means sound and technique shit. I think he means as a magnitude, success, influence, legacy etc.
I am pretty sure 98% of all bands would like the money! fame, drugs, bitches and all the shit that Pantera enjoyed at some point...
I don't think Lars and James are regret they never became as big as Pantera but the most are...
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I'll have what he's having. ^^^
 
Spaceboy":1z5rw23f said:
Pantera was trying to be Exhorder.
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This. My bassist moved up from NOLA in 91 and played this for me, which came out at the same time Cowboys From Hell did:
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Check out where the vocals come in at 1:40. Phil's from New Orleans where Exhorder is from, the singer for Exhorder sounded like what Phil would become over the course of the next 3 Pantera CDs, and the singer for Exhorder was already sporting the shaved head and tattoos on that album that Phil would adopt later. Phil was still sporting long hair and hitting Geoff Tate high notes on Cowboys From Hell. Don't get me wrong, I love Pantera and think they perfected that sound. But saying they were the ones to completely come up with that sound by themselves is just bs.
 
Except for the undeniable fact that Pantera had a way better guitarist.
 
Steinmetzify":1zswa33b said:
Except for the undeniable fact that Pantera had a way better guitarist.
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Better LEAD guitarist. Listen to Exhorder's album "The Law." As rythym players, those guys could hang with Dime all day long. I may even give the edge to them.
 
I agree that they could hang with Dime in the rythm department... def. not the lead department. BUT the squealies and whammy abuse is definitely there. When you mesh that with the vibe or rythmic structure of the song, I'd say there is a strong possibility that Dime figured he could take that style and make it "better".
 
Agreed. Dime definitely smoked them in the lead department. No comparison. And he did take that style and made it more appealing to the masses. I don't think I'd say "better," but definitely more commercial (and I use that term loosely). Exhorder were a much more brutal, underground band, and I'm sure they were happy to be such. All I know is, rythymwise, those guys were fucking MONSTERS. Especially on "The Law." Would have been cool to see what they would have done had they continued on.
 
Along with Exhorder, Overkill was enough of an influence on Pantera in the late 80's to the point where they sought out and got producer Terry Date because they wanted their next record (Cowboys) to sound like Overkill's Years of Decay. I've seen pictures of Dimebag and Bobby Gustafson hanging out together as well.
 
I liked Pantera back in the day, more because they kind of filled a void back in those dark, dark, miserable early 90's when the 80's stuff had imploded and lots of people on the flannel wagon. Even though they had that "groove metal" thing going, it still felt like they were keeping the real spirit of the old school thrash alive with a little spin for the new decade. It was a tough time to be a metal head (at least in the US), Pantera just hit that right spot. I don't know if Cowboys had broken say back in 86 instead if it would have really had the same impact on me (I don't think it would have hit me like Puppets or Peace Sells), but Vulgar in 92, that stood apart.
 
thegame":1pkftqcv said:
Along with Exhorder, Overkill was enough of an influence on Pantera in the late 80's to the point where they sought out and got producer Terry Date because they wanted their next record (Cowboys) to sound like Overkill's Years of Decay. I've seen pictures of Dimebag and Bobby Gustafson hanging out together as well.
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Yeah, Terry Date had his own sound for sure. Everyone was going to Morrisound studios, and while Scott Burns' recordings were great, everything started sounding very similar. Date's recordings were so crisp and tight sounding. Especially guitars. He also did Dark Angels "Time Does Not Heal." That's another album with some horrifying rythym guitar work on it.
 
I just wanna be a dick and say that when rotting corpse was doing thrash from 85-87, Vince and Darrell would rag the fuck outta us saying "that heavy shit will never sell". They hated slayer. They made fun of the demos we made at pantego sound with Vince behind the console. As they became heavier and heavier, we just laughed. It was Phil that made them what they became.
 
I'm not even going to read the interview because it will probably make me mad.

Phil's rip off Kyle's vocals are blatent and obvious.

Pantera obviously were much more successful than Exhorder and while I really like alot of older Pantera, I much prefer more brutal and more underground types of metal.

I personally think there is not one single band out there that is trying to be Pantera. If there is they are not that big and maybe never will be.

I think even if Pantera came out today it would not be as successful as it was back then because times are always changing and evolving.

If Rex really think everyone is trying to be Pantera than he is smoking hella drugs.

Regardless of what happened with Phil and the demise of Pantera he is still a badass and helps out talented smaller bands with his label and I applaud that. \m/ But none of the bands on his label sound like Pantera to me.

I think Rex is just seeking attention. If the thread title doesn't match the interview than I am sorry Rex but I'm not going to read it :p
 
maddnotez":1htauwen said:
I personally think there is not one single band out there that is trying to be Pantera. If there is they are not that big and maybe never will be.
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Lamb of God had a terrible but successful Pantera phase.
 
anomaly":xeknvw4n said:
Pantera had as much influence as metallica on the metal world. I'll give them that much. They were awesome for sure.

I've been trying to cop Dime's tone for a good 5 years now (his live tone), and i'm very close with my current gear. It's not as easy as some might think. Some might not like it, but it is by far my favorite metal tone ever, especially "live 101 proof" and "trendkill".
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i love Pantera, but if you want that tone buy a am radio transistor and plug your guitar in it
 
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