Duty to Retreat

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311splawndude said:
And I want that chance to be judged vs dead or severely handicapped.

In all honestly, I hope I NEVER have to use my 9mm outside of target practice. Some seem to think (not necessarily you Dan) that by just owning a gun, that I'm gun happy, or gun crazy, or 'looking for a fight', or have a need to taunt or be a bully etc etc.


Thanks for the list. Those are all valid. The chance of getting hit by lightning is probably higher. I'd consider that a natural cause. I'd consider an armed robbery in my house unnatural and also somewhat avoidable :LOL:

I'm glad you live in a safe neighborhood. So do I. A dead end street as a matter of fact. I have no fear of thugs coming to my house, turning off my cameras, turning off the alarm, getting through any of my doors and doing any real harm.

But, if I travel to my cabin or hanging out there all weekend, you count on me being prepared.
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I mean anything can happen, but the murder rate in my town is literally 0 lol.

I lived in Troy NY for a decade which was less pleasant. Women in the neighborhood would time their walks with me walking my German Shepherd because they didn’t feel comfortable being alone.
One summer was particularly bad, and a couple of kids asked me where the memorial was for the student who got killed and when I had to ask them to clarify which one, I knew it was time to go. $575 rent was nice, but no thanks.
 
Wayniac3 said:
Exactly!!
Just the opposite - if you are carrying, you have the responsibility to do your best to avoid, deescalate or remove yourself form the situation.
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This is something I think the anti-gun crowd doesn't understand. Those who are pro-gun and pro right to carry get labeled as some 2A nutjob looking to pull the trigger at a moments notice. Any responsible gun owner who chooses to carry understands that it's their duty to try to remove themselves or deescalate a situation first before drawing a firearm. That was one of the points stressed when I took the concealed carry class. You can be prepared to draw at any point, but it's not your first resort.

To be clear I'm not accusing anyone in this discussion of being hard core anti-gun.
 
Justin Bailey said:
I mean anything can happen, but the murder rate in my town is literally 0 lol.

I lived in Troy NY for a decade which was less pleasant. Women in the neighborhood would time their walks with me walking my German Shepherd because they didn’t feel comfortable being alone.
One summer was particularly bad, and a couple of kids asked me where the memorial was for the student who got killed and when I had to ask them to clarify which one, I knew it was time to go. $575 rent was nice, but no thanks.
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I'm glad it is literally 0 lol.

Not really the point though. 1.) You could travel to a not so great place. 2.) Things could change in your town. 3.) Someone online could hunt you down.* 4.) We need to learn to Enjoy the decline.

*I hope that never happens to anyone to be clear

MadAsAHatter said:
This is something I think the anti-gun crowd doesn't understand. Those who are pro-gun and pro right to carry get labeled as some 2A nutjob looking to pull the trigger at a moments notice. Any responsible gun owner who chooses to carry understands that it's their duty to try to remove themselves or deescalate a situation first before drawing a firearm. That was one of the points stressed when I took the concealed carry class. You can be prepared to draw at any point, but it's not your first resort.

To be clear I'm not accusing anyone in this discussion of being hard core anti-gun.
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That was the big thing I walked away from my CC class. Additionally, I (we) in order to get a CC had to have an extensive background check, fresh fingerprints, mug shot, etc. I would almost venture to say that anyone that wants to own a handgun should automatically have to get a Conceal and Carry card/approval. Even if you don't technically plan to carry or conceal. I know @Floyd Eye and others may disagree with this on several levels. I agree that that could be somewhat overly intrusive or unnecessary, but I actually enjoyed my CC class. Mainly the legal side of it.
 
Look how many people who were complying in a car jacking got shot anyway. It’s more than a few. Just sayin.

The adrenaline dump is another thing you should train for. The closest you can get to simulating it is to drill with an elevated heart rate. Most of my ( formal) training is done like this. And a lot of it is mindset. Before you even decide to carry you need to figure out if you are a person that can pull the trigger if you have to. Some people can’t. Unfortunately you are going to have fractions of seconds to decide if deadly force is necessary, but once you have made that determination ya best not dawdle.
 
And yeah, anytime there is a school shooting or white cop on black shooting - the lefties cry out what a tragedy the Second Amendment is. When 95% (or whatever the stat is) of the law abiding gun owners out there have training, respect and a need for their weapon. I mean, there will always be wackos that feel the desire for mass killings. Sadly, that will never go away.

If the government decides we can't have our guns, then 95% of those 95% of people I just identified can't hunt or protect themselves? But guess who will be keeping their guns? The criminals and the wackos.

:( :dunno:
 
311splawndude said:
I'm glad it is literally 0 lol.

Not really the point though. 1.) You could travel to a not so great place. 2.) Things could change in your town. 3.) Someone online could hunt you down.* 4.) We need to learn to Enjoy the decline.

*I hope that never happens to anyone to be clear


That was the big thing I walked away from my CC class. Additionally, I (we) in order to get a CC had to have an extensive background check, fresh fingerprints, mug shot, etc. I would almost venture to say that anyone that wants to own a handgun should automatically have to get a Conceal and Carry card/approval. Even if you don't technically plan to carry or conceal. I know @Floyd Eye and others may disagree with this on several levels. I agree that that could be somewhat overly intrusive or unnecessary, but I actually enjoyed my CC class. Mainly the legal side of it.
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The legal side of it can be gotten for free and without begging the government for permission. I’ve taken the class, it’s not training by any stretch of the imagination. When CC came to Missouri I no longer saw a need to renew a CC license.

I don’t think it’s constitutional actually to put requirements on natural rights. That said I urge anyone who plans on owning or carrying a gun to train. And by train I don’t mean just a CCW license.

In Missouri anyway the law is simple and common sense. If your life or someone else’s life is in danger you can use deadly force. Otherwise you’re probably going to prison. Period. Otherwise the normal firearm safety rules apply. Carrying a gun while drinking is a bad idea. Taking one into a federal building is a bad idea. You get the idea. No need to take a class and pay $200 for a license for that. Instead take that money to to the Krav Maga place across from the old Chrysler plant in Fenton. You’d be better served I promise.
 
Not sure if I ever mentioned here that my mom got robbed at gunpoint in a nice neighborhood in FL by a carload of youth repeat offenders. Had her dead to rights, gun or not. They were pursued by Pinellas county sheriffs deputies ditched the car into a neighborhood, fled on foot and were caught. They had stashed the weapon in there and a homeowner located it in his shed a couple weeks later. Was def no toy. Fortunately some ex PI witnessed the whole thing. One of the kids was low IQ and the attorney tried to use that as an excuse but fortunately they got the book thrown at them. Punishments in red states are a little more harsh.
 
If you were in your car getting carjacked would you be able to use a weapon? Or do you have a duty to drive off ??
 
rsm said:
so you're saying Gov. Abbott should start sending border buses to your town? after he sends them to @JohnnyGtar first. :D
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We have a fair amount of refugees here, at least compared to our population. We also have a fair amount of rich people who like to brag on facebook about donating to them.
They hate low income housing being built though
 
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acceptance said:
If you were in your car getting carjacked would you be able to use a weapon? Or do you have a duty to drive off ??
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If I was getting car jacked I would try and drive off, but other than that I would hand over the keys and gtfo.
It’s a company car anyways lol
 
acceptance said:
How would the ruling in MN for example affect that? And I’m talking legally, not practically.
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Probably the victim would end up being charged then sued civily by the carjackers family. Which can’t happen here. We have pre-emption laws that say you can’t be sued civily in a justified shooting.
 
Did the perpetrator ever get charged in the MN case? ...or just the victim? ?
 
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