Duty to Retreat

[Bad Brain]

I’ve had two of my best friends shot to death by hood rats.

Wow that’s crazy. I’m sorry for your losses. No wonder you moved to the country.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

That was the big thing I walked away from my CC class. Additionally, I (we) in order to get a CC had to have an extensive background check, fresh fingerprints, mug shot, etc. I would almost venture to say that anyone that wants to own a handgun should automatically have to get a Conceal and Carry card/approval. Even if you don't technically plan to carry or conceal. I know @Floyd Eye and others may disagree with this on several levels. I agree that that could be somewhat overly intrusive or unnecessary, but I actually enjoyed my CC class. Mainly the legal side of it.

We weren't required to do all of that for the CC permit. Ours was a class by a certified instructor and $100 to file the paperwork for background check and registration.

I would partially disagree with you on automatically needing CC approval to own a handgun. I feel that might be a little too intrusive depending on the CC permit requirements for a given State. But wouldn't be opposed to a some sort of firearms safety class to obtain a firearm. Nothing that would be any more intrusive than what's already required for purchases. There's a similar hunters safety class you need to take here in order to have a hunting license. It's just a certificate attached to your records.

Recently though (beginning of June) my State enacted constitutional carry so we're no longer required to have a permit for conceal carry within the state. You can still obtain a CC permit and it's suggested to get one because there's reciprocity with permits from many other states.

This is the State Police's statement from when everything went into effect.

On March 5, 2024, Governor Jeff Landry signed Senate Bill 1, amending Title 14 and Title 40 to allow concealed handgun carry without a permit in certain circumstances. This law will become effective on July 4, 2024.
While the new law provides constitutionally protected freedoms, the Louisiana State Police emphasize the advantages of obtaining a Concealed Handgun Permit.
Without a permit, you cannot carry concealed in most other states. The Louisiana Constitutional Carry Law only applies within Louisiana. One key benefit of a Louisiana CHP is its reciprocity with permits from 37 other states. This means your Louisiana CHP is recognized in those states, allowing you to carry concealed across state lines.
Obtaining a Louisiana CHP also means receiving valuable training from state-certified firearms instructors. You'll learn about handgun safety, ammunition, shooting fundamentals, the use of deadly force, conflict resolution, live range fire, and proper handgun cleaning procedures.
In addition, Senate Bill 2 provides limited liability for authorized individuals with a valid CHP in self-defense cases.
Plus, Federal Firearms Licensed Dealers may accept your permit in place of a background check when purchasing a firearm, thanks to the thorough training process involved.
For more information on the requirements, application process, fees, and other pertinent details, contact the Louisiana State Police Concealed Handgun Permit Unit or visit their website: https://www.lsp.org/services/concealed-handgun-information.
Empower yourself with the knowledge and protection a Louisiana CHP offers. Apply today!

 

[Floyd Eye]

We weren't required to do all of that for the CC permit. Ours was a class by a certified instructor and $100 to file the paperwork for background check and registration.

I would partially disagree with you on automatically needing CC approval to own a handgun. I feel that might be a little too intrusive depending on the CC permit requirements for a given State. But wouldn't be opposed to a some sort of firearms safety class to obtain a firearm. Nothing that would be any more intrusive than what's already required for purchases. There's a similar hunters safety class you need to take here in order to have a hunting license. It's just a certificate attached to your records.

Recently though (beginning of June) my State enacted constitutional carry so we're no longer required to have a permit for conceal carry within the state. You can still obtain a CC permit and it's suggested to get one because there's reciprocity with permits from many other states.

This is the State Police's statement from when everything went into effect.

On March 5, 2024, Governor Jeff Landry signed Senate Bill 1, amending Title 14 and Title 40 to allow concealed handgun carry without a permit in certain circumstances. This law will become effective on July 4, 2024.
While the new law provides constitutionally protected freedoms, the Louisiana State Police emphasize the advantages of obtaining a Concealed Handgun Permit.
Without a permit, you cannot carry concealed in most other states. The Louisiana Constitutional Carry Law only applies within Louisiana. One key benefit of a Louisiana CHP is its reciprocity with permits from 37 other states. This means your Louisiana CHP is recognized in those states, allowing you to carry concealed across state lines.
Obtaining a Louisiana CHP also means receiving valuable training from state-certified firearms instructors. You'll learn about handgun safety, ammunition, shooting fundamentals, the use of deadly force, conflict resolution, live range fire, and proper handgun cleaning procedures.
In addition, Senate Bill 2 provides limited liability for authorized individuals with a valid CHP in self-defense cases.
Plus, Federal Firearms Licensed Dealers may accept your permit in place of a background check when purchasing a firearm, thanks to the thorough training process involved.
For more information on the requirements, application process, fees, and other pertinent details, contact the Louisiana State Police Concealed Handgun Permit Unit or visit their website: https://www.lsp.org/services/concealed-handgun-information.
Empower yourself with the knowledge and protection a Louisiana CHP offers. Apply today!

Took you guys awhile to get it through. Your last gubener kept veto’ing it.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Took you guys awhile to get it through. Your last gubener kept veto’ing it.

Yeah, John Bel didn't do us many favors while in office. At least he didn't do anything truly devastating to the State. He was just sort of there taking up space.

 

[311boogieman]

yeah, @Floyd Eye and @MadAsAHatter - it is not required here in Missouri. I paid $100 for CC permit and then the class itself. I didn't have a problem doing either. I got my TSA around the same time so that might have actually been when I got fingerprinted. And no, there was very little physical handgun training in the CC class - more just legal stuff. I really liked the instructor and met some cool people too. I'd actually do it again even though I don't need to. I know several people who went out and bought handguns over the last 3.5 years and got zero classes, zero training, and didn't even go to a range to fire the thing. Literally sitting in a drawer, never fired, with a box of ammo. I mean WTF?

The main reason I got my CC was the state reciprocity thing and the fact that I felt like I would be better "respected" if I got pulled over for example or got into an altercation and I hand the officer my CC along with my DL.

 

[rsm]

We have Constitutional carry here; but I still renewed my weapons permit. The way things are moving to the left I fully expect Constitutional carry won't last here forever. The other benefit is not having to wait when I purchase a firearm; if it's in stock I can take it home the day I buy it.

I wouldn't open carry even though I can, unless it was to make a statement; it's just asking for trouble or drama. Though if I did open carry to make a statement, I'd carry my S&W 500 Mag - I still need to get a holster for it, but I'd also want a belt that holds the ammo visibly too.

edit: besides, they don't make holsters for my Uzi PRO; I'm sure that would cause too much drama to open carry.

 

[CRAIG4FSU]

I keep my carry permit as well in GA for quicker transfers (discounts sometimes too), reciprocity, traffic stops if my firearms becomes an issue. It’s half price when renewing too.

Don’t forget the speedloaders for the 500, rsm. I have three, but it’s almost too expensive to load them…

 

[Floyd Eye]

yeah, @Floyd Eye and @MadAsAHatter - it is not required here in Missouri. I paid $100 for CC permit and then the class itself. I didn't have a problem doing either. I got my TSA around the same time so that might have actually been when I got fingerprinted. And no, there was very little physical handgun training in the CC class - more just legal stuff. I really liked the instructor and met some cool people too. I'd actually do it again even though I don't need to. I know several people who went out and bought handguns over the last 3.5 years and got zero classes, zero training, and didn't even go to a range to fire the thing. Literally sitting in a drawer, never fired, with a box of ammo. I mean WTF?

The main reason I got my CC was the state reciprocity thing and the fact that I felt like I would be better "respected" if I got pulled over for example or got into an altercation and I hand the officer my CC along with my DL.

If Missouri did like other states and did away with the NICS check for permit holders I might consider it. As far as reciprocity goes there are now 29 or 30 constitutional carry states and all the ones around us except Illinois are on that list. And fuck Illinois. Back in 2019 I took a road trip from here to Henry's Fork Idaho and never went through a state I needed a permit in.
As far as getting pulled over, dude, when was the last time you got pulled over and got searched ? I would have been either a teenager or early 20s. I got pulled over a few years ago and I informed the cop ( Jeff Co) I had a gun. He said " Well, don't shoot me and I won't shoot you". We laughed. Most of the cops I know tell me they don't need or want you to bring up the fact you're armed during a traffic stop. More important is that when they walk up to your car, both your hands are on the wheel where they can see them. The only real advantage a CC permit has in Missouri is there are a couple places I think you can't get into trouble for carrying if you have a permit. Places I don't go anyway and the fact is if someone knows you're carrying then you're doing it wrong. Just my take.

As far as CC going away, not likely. Bruen insures it can't be stripped federally and the odds of the red states we live in magically turning blue and anti- gun any time soon are non-existent.


As far as people buying a gun and then not training, well, people were carrying guns ( and still are) illegally here for as long as I can remember. Criminals are armed and you know they aren't going to Greywolf Services for advanced carry classes. I am a training and range junkie and certainly prescribe it for everyone, but the gnashing of teeth over the "Untrained" masses carrying guns and causing problems is way overstated and mostly a talking point for anti-gunners. Statistically it isn't a problem and I really don't care what other people do. It's silly to be afraid of some untrained, but law abiding citizen in St. Louis when there are thousands of armed hood rats.

 

[rsm]

 

[MadAsAHatter]

We have Constitutional carry here; but I still renewed my weapons permit. The way things are moving to the left I fully expect Constitutional carry won't last here forever. The other benefit is not having to wait when I purchase a firearm; if it's in stock I can take it home the day I buy it.

I wouldn't open carry even though I can, unless it was to make a statement; it's just asking for trouble or drama. Though if I did open carry to make a statement, I'd carry my S&W 500 Mag - I still need to get a holster for it, but I'd also want a belt that holds the ammo visibly too.

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edit: besides, they don't make holsters for my Uzi PRO; I'm sure that would cause too much drama to open carry.

I was close to getting a S&W 500 but opted for the 460 Magnum. That it can use .460, .454 and .45 colt in it is what made me pick it over the 500.

 

[rsm]

I was close to getting a S&W 500 but opted for the 460 Magnum. That it can use .460, .454 and .45 colt in it is what made me pick it over the 500.

Not a revolver fan, it's my only one; it's more for fun at the range not a practical weapon. my big practical handgun is 10mm auto