Ed doing Jimmy better than Jimmy.

[Robostyle]

When page was on the heroin in his later years, his playing fell off quite a bit imho.

 

[70 Mach 1]

You could say that vs just about any artist though.

Not to the chuggers. Saw one in GC going at it yesterday. He has to have the 6505 cranked up

I walked by and gave him the Cool Hand Luke grin like the one after George Kennedy stomped his ass

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Musicians don't compete like gladiators and get graded like eggs. That's just juvenile.

BULLSHIT!!!!

 

[Floyd Eye]

Page was sloppy live at the end. So was Eddie though. I wouldn't say Eddie was a better musician at at all, though a case might be made that he was a better guitarist. Certainly not a better songwriter or arranger. And dude, I'm a pretty big EVH fan. What I'm not a fan of is any VH song after 1984.

And JPJ is a serious bad ass, but he didn't write all the riffs. He wrote a few of the bigger ones. Anyone who says Page didn't write a bunch of amazing songs has seriously shitty taste in music.

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Let’s see Jimmy play anything by VH…

 

[harddriver]

Page was sloppy live at the end. So was Eddie though. I wouldn't say Eddie was a better musician at at all, though a case might be made that he was a better guitarist. Certainly not a better songwriter or arranger. And dude, I'm a pretty big EVH fan. What I'm not a fan of is any VH song after 1984.

And JPJ is a serious bad ass, but he didn't write all the riffs. He wrote a few of the bigger ones. Anyone who says Page didn't write a bunch of amazing songs has seriously shitty taste in music.

Bonham and JPJ held that band together live while Page experimented live or was just too fucked up to play well. Page wrote some serious riffs and songs as a whole that have stood the test of time, like Hendrix, VH....

Without Bonham or JPJ it wouldn't sound like Led Zeppelin, IMHO!

 

[70 Mach 1]

Let’s see Jimmy play anything by VH…

Lets see eddie do Zep III.

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

BULLSHIT!!!!

Very juvenile answer.

Let’s see Jimmy play anything by VH…

There's a video somewhere that I've seen but can't find at the moment. Eddie's trying to play over some basic changes, he's jamming on a tune, and he sounds like pure beginner. Clams all over the place. He even gives a "oh shit" grin.

Let's see VH trying to play jazz.

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Very juvenile answer.

Really ? Ever heard of battle of the bands???

Life is a competition. The entire 1980s was about who was the baddest shredder… wake the fuck up. Did you forget history. Guitar playing is an extension of a ‘whose dick is bigger?!’ contest.

There's a video somewhere that I've seen but can't find at the moment. Eddie's trying to play over some basic changes, he's jamming on a tune, and he sounds like pure beginner. Clams all over the place. He even gives a "oh shit" grin.

Let's see VH trying to play jazz.

Really ? Ever heard of battle of the bands???

Life is a competition. The entire 1980s was about who was the baddest shredder… wake the fuck up. Did you forget history. Guitar playing is an extension of a ‘whose dick is bigger?!’ contest.
You don’t think the son of a jazz musician could play jazz???
You don’t think Ed could play a 2-5-1, and all this time he’s been compared stylistically to Charlie Parker and Coltrane???
Are you saying Eddie Van Halen couldn’t play a fucking triad??? Listen to the solo in Big Fat Money… 100% jazz sax line.

You’re statement is just plain ignorant.

 

[VonBonfire]

You don’t think Ed could play a 2-5-1, and all this time he’s been compared stylistically to Charlie Parker and Coltrane???

Being able to play a 2-5-1 doesn't put you anywhere in the realm of Parker or Coltrane, lol.

 

[NoHassle]

Really ? Ever heard of battle of the bands???

Life is a competition. The entire 1980s was about who was the baddest shredder… wake the fuck up. Did you forget history. Guitar playing is an extension of a ‘whose dick is bigger?!’ contest.
You don’t think the son of a jazz musician could play jazz???
You don’t think Ed could play a 2-5-1, and all this time he’s been compared stylistically to Charlie Parker and Coltrane???
Are you saying Eddie Van Halen couldn’t play a fucking triad??? Listen to the solo in Big Fat Money… 100% jazz sax line.

You’re statement is just plain ignorant.
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Relax fella...I used to be good friends with Seymour Duncan and he would tell you Ed was NOT musically literate.

He said "Ed could play Ed but nothing much else".

Yes, Ed was a unique force to be reckoned with and an enormous influence.

I think the problem with this thread and the negativity is you need to change the title as it's just not true.

"Ed doing Jimmy better than Jimmy."

Maybe..."Ed Does Zep's Rover the Ed Way"​

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

Oh my young friend, I never said people don't try to compete musically. I just said it's a stupid concept and practice. Juvenile I think.

Because Neil Young can't shred does that make him a shitty musician? John Lennon can't blow over the changes to Giant Steps. Does he suck? Some kid in Brazil plays Flight of the Bumble Bee at 350 bpm...does that make him the best ever????

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Oh my young friend, I never said people don't try to compete musically. I just said it's a stupid concept and practice. Juvenile I think.

Because Neil Young can't shred does that make him a shitty musician? STRAW-MAN John Lennon can't blow over the changes to Giant Steps. Does he suck? STRAW-MAN Some kid in Brazil plays Flight of the Bumble Bee at 350 bpm...does that make him the best ever???? STRAW-MAN

“Best” never was part of the argument.
Better was the argument. Is juvenile, I agree. Most men are but nevertheless the the fact remains. Everyone who is anyone in the music industry is competing to be heard. They even give awards for it…VMA’s, Grammys…etc.
Consider broadening your viewpoint.

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

“Best” never was part of the argument.
Better was the argument. Is juvenile, I agree. Most men are but nevertheless the the fact remains. Everyone who is anyone in the music industry is competing to be heard. They even give awards for it…VMA’s, Grammys…etc.
Consider broadening your viewpoint.

Those awards are based on sales. Those awards exist primarily to self advertise.

When I was 10 we'd argue about who was the fastest guitar player. Johnny WInter? Alvin Lee? Did it matter?

I think John Lee Hooker is a great musician. DItto Bo DIddly. Certainly not shredders.

If you tell me you like EVH more than Jimmy Page, I think that's fine. I won't argue with your opinions and taste because I have my own.

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Those awards are based on sales. Those awards exist primarily to self advertise.

When I was 10 we'd argue about who was the fastest guitar player. Johnny WInter? Alvin Lee? Did it matter?

I think John Lee Hooker is a great musician. DItto Bo DIddly. Certainly not shredders.

If you tell me you like EVH more than Jimmy Page, I think that's fine. I won't argue with your opinions and taste because I have my own.

The argument was that Ed did Jimmys own stuff better than he did, one year after it was recorded. The obverse cannot be said. Ed also did Clapton note for note. To say someone can’t play jazz, is retarded. It’s not some mystical cryptic music. It’s connecting chords with single note lines, something Ed did frequently if not ad nauseum. I wonder what he was doing when he was playing jamming with jazz fusionistas Allen Holdsworth or Jeff Berlin???

Think outside the box for minute. Make an objective argument.

 

[Shevek]

Relax fella...I used to be good friends with Seymour Duncan and he would tell you Ed was NOT musically literate.

He said "Ed could play Ed but nothing much else".

Yes, Ed was a unique force to be reckoned with and an enormous influence.

I think the problem with this thread and the negativity is you need to change the title as it's just not true.

"Ed doing Jimmy better than Jimmy."​

​

Maybe..."Ed Does Zep's Rover the Ed Way"​

That's cool. Tell us some stories about Seymour Duncan!

 

[Robostyle]

That's cool. Tell us some stories about Seymour Duncan!

If history is any indication, there was gay anal rape involved.

 

[NoHassle]

That's cool. Tell us some stories about Seymour Duncan!

A seriously regular guy...not a great player...he worshipped Jeff Beck...was ALWAYS interested in new pick-up ideas and we would talk for many hrs about possibilities and real differences. He made me a set of pickups that had an output for each magnet/string back in 1983. Nice idea but way too cumbersome as we both learned. Hey, it was the 80s and anything went!

I don't want to say much else as we're on the net and it's public...as you're aware.

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

The argument was that Ed did Jimmys own stuff better than he did, one year after it was recorded. The obverse cannot be said. Ed also did Clapton note for note. To say someone can’t play jazz, is retarded. It’s not some mystical cryptic music. It’s connecting chords with single note lines, something Ed did frequently if not ad nauseum. I wonder what he was doing when he was playing jamming with jazz fusionistas Allen Holdsworth or Jeff Berlin???

Think outside the box for minute. Make an objective argument.

You're recycling the same shit. I've made my arguments.

You like Ed. You think he could do no wrong. Ok, fine.

 

[Robostyle]

I don't want to say much else as we're on the net and it's public...as you're aware.

So wait- you didn't bend him over and fuck his hairy ass?
You say that here publicly every day.