Even Joe Bonamassa has issues with TGP....

[Variable]

there's good and bad everywhere. joe b rips and has great tone.

this place is 80's rock to me which brings cool folks from my generation, but also some HC rude attitude which i think started out as honest to goodness 100 mile and hour full speed ahead don't give a crap rock and roll which i get comes with the high gain thing, but morphs into i hate everything mean spirited crap which i can live without

tgp is touchy feely boutique land which i love as well, and some seriously cool people too, but a lot of "i own thi$ new amp everyone is curious about but no one can afford therefore i am now the world leader on opinion of it although can't play kumbaya right -meets- butt patting/great job playing that mediocre tone and lame lick through your 15k rig. i'm all for encouragement and being positive but i also shoot straight and become simon cowell if you're looking for my opinion

huge racks is more rack gear chat and i love that too. italoop is my new rack hero! but sometimes all that techo talk is too much like work for me or reminds me of those painful hours programming rack gear.

in the end we are lucky to have these resources to learn from and investigate new technology on.

This has been my experience exactly. Sometimes I want high-gain crazy (Rig-Talk), other times I want sweet chirpy boutique goodness (TGP).

 

[big_aug]

TGP is great for the classifieds section. I've scored some really good deals there, and things usually sell on there.

The Digital and Modeling section is also great. It's active and people post lots of great presets when they aren't arguing over Axe vs Pod HD vs 11R.

That's about it for me over there.

 

[Red_Label]

The Digital and Modeling section is also great. It's active and people post lots of great presets when they aren't arguing over Axe vs Pod HD vs 11R.

That's the problem... when are they NOT arguing over the modeling platforms over there? Every time I've been in that section there's always at least a few Fractal koolaid drinkers who have to assert their platforms superiority over everything FOR EVERYONE. It doesn't compute to them that there actually ARE people out there who have had (or at least played) BOTH the 11R and Axe and chose the 11R (mostly for the amp models and the user interface). They can't help themselves from pointing their fingers at the guys who have done that and basically calling them deaf and/or stupid. It just gets old and I rarely ever find myself having the urge to go there anymore. I did go there today... to look to see when I joined over there. That'll likely be my only visit in the foreseeable future.

 

[petejt]

It's slightly ironic how the longer this thread runs, the more it mimics RT's characterization of TGP...in this thread we have love for JB's tone, disdain for JB's tone, JB's tone is better than Eric Johnson, JB should have thicker skin, JB is justified in calling out TGP, JB should lower ticket prices, JB can't control ticket prices...we even say TGP is "spewing with negativity"...guys, it's the same thing here. NO different.

You are right, but I wouldn't say that Rig-Talk is as bad or obnoxious as TGP. The attitudes aren't as vicious.


What I find coincidentally amusing is the opening dialogue from the following parody about TGP- which in a way echoes your statement.

 

[RedRider]

It's slightly ironic how the longer this thread runs, the more it mimics RT's characterization of TGP...in this thread we have love for JB's tone, disdain for JB's tone, JB's tone is better than Eric Johnson, JB should have thicker skin, JB is justified in calling out TGP, JB should lower ticket prices, JB can't control ticket prices...we even say TGP is "spewing with negativity"...guys, it's the same thing here. NO different.

You are right, but I wouldn't say that Rig-Talk is as bad or obnoxious as TGP. The attitudes aren't as vicious.


What I find coincidentally amusing is the opening dialogue from the following parody about TGP- which in a way echoes your statement.

HAHAHAHAHHA That made my monday for sure!! LOLOL (even though I definitely resemble both those guys!! LOL)

 

[nwright]

Check out @6.00

I can't work out whether he has a good sense of humor, or he just doesn't like people slagging him off (but who does?).

Either way... Good for him to slap back a little. Not that I understand why he would care...\


EDIT:

Decided to have a look at his facebook page... Found this:

"Here is a good dare. I dare VH1 or MTV to play BCC's Man in the Middle video or Rolling Stone Magizine USA to acknowledge my existence in anyway. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe people would discover something new and tragically unhip. oh te humanity. BCC 2 came out this week and is doing great. Thank you so much for all the support."

By this, the dude does sound kind of full of himself. Self-importance is a surefire way to make people dislike you, even if those disliking you share the same trait (I mean, they ARE doctors and lawyers, right).

I've seen some vids and comments JB has made and he seems kinda like a douche to me. I don't think anyone can really slag his talents, but I don't think I'd wanna hang around the guy, either. The fact the the bolded comment above references his own importance rather than the band's kinda tells a lot, IMO.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't visit TGP. But, why would anyone slag Joe? Not that he is anyone I would spend much time listening to, but he is an accomplished musician and has earned some respect.

Steve

My guess is they slag Joe because HE has what they don't.....talent, career, sig gear, fame, fortune, ect..........

Prolly all that is true, except fortune...

Steve

 

[kasperjensen]

Check out @6.00

I can't work out whether he has a good sense of humor, or he just doesn't like people slagging him off (but who does?).

Either way... Good for him to slap back a little. Not that I understand why he would care...\


EDIT:

Decided to have a look at his facebook page... Found this:

"Here is a good dare. I dare VH1 or MTV to play BCC's Man in the Middle video or Rolling Stone Magizine USA to acknowledge my existence in anyway. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe people would discover something new and tragically unhip. oh te humanity. BCC 2 came out this week and is doing great. Thank you so much for all the support."

By this, the dude does sound kind of full of himself. Self-importance is a surefire way to make people dislike you, even if those disliking you share the same trait (I mean, they ARE doctors and lawyers, right).

I've seen some vids and comments JB has made and he seems kinda like a douche to me. I don't think anyone can really slag his talents, but I don't think I'd wanna hang around the guy, either. The fact the the bolded comment above references his own importance rather than the band's kinda tells a lot, IMO.

I thought so too. It puts me off him a little bit.

 

[Carol-AnnAmps]

It's slightly ironic how the longer this thread runs, the more it mimics RT's characterization of TGP...in this thread we have love for JB's tone, disdain for JB's tone, JB's tone is better than Eric Johnson, JB should have thicker skin, JB is justified in calling out TGP, JB should lower ticket prices, JB can't control ticket prices...we even say TGP is "spewing with negativity"...guys, it's the same thing here. NO different.

You are right, but I wouldn't say that Rig-Talk is as bad or obnoxious as TGP. The attitudes aren't as vicious.


What I find coincidentally amusing is the opening dialogue from the following parody about TGP- which in a way echoes your statement.

This is funny, but doesn't the first part ring more true for this site than TGP ?

There's not too many non-players on TGP that own a Dumble in actuality. Most of the Dumble owners on there are full time musicians that make their living from actually playing. As for burst owners, yeah there's a few of those.
'Politician'....lol......possibly the single most boring blues jazz tune ever written and in my humble opinion exhibits a rather bass farty and blah tone.....

At least with Joe B people get to hear a 'Burst' played live. I've played his and it really is a nice guitar. I could never afford one, but with him it's probably one of the best placed bursts in existance.
He's totally opposed to the collecting mentality and would rather sign a beat up JB LP than one someone never plays. I remember one guy bring one to him to sign that still had the tags on and he told the guy he would only sign it if he could pull the tags off and could give it some buckle rash.....just kidding around, but they are his own sentiments on it oin reality.

Despite the comments above, Joe is very grounded, totally not a snob and totally cool and friendly with people. He just doesn't tolerate fools. If he did he wouldn't be as sucessful as he is.

 

[Digital Jams]

Joe does not like tone chasers and people trying everything under the sun to replace shed time. Read a review with him and he is really into guys and esp kids that hit the practice time hard and do not bother right away with chasing the holy grail of the month. He wondered out loud where good old chops and good playing had gone due to what people listen to today. I could see him reading any forum and shaking his head.

He is right, if the truth hurts then oh well. I would listen to Joe any day regarding his feedback. To this day I remember Stratboy telling me I had more important things to deal with playing wise when I had some stupid crazy question, he was right and I thank him for his straight talk.

RF had that classic dig at TGP about how no matter how much they tried the cloners were not getting the dumble sound. That place went nuts.

 

[Red_Label]

This is funny, but doesn't the first part ring more true for this site than TGP ?

There's not too many non-players on TGP that own a Dumble in actuality. Most of the Dumble owners on there are full time musicians that make their living from actually playing. As for burst owners, yeah there's a few of those.
'Politician'....lol......possibly the single most boring blues jazz tune ever written and in my humble opinion exhibits a rather bass farty and blah tone.....

At least with Joe B people get to hear a 'Burst' played live. I've played his and it really is a nice guitar. I could never afford one, but with him it's probably one of the best placed bursts in existance.
He's totally opposed to the collecting mentality and would rather sign a beat up JB LP than one someone never plays. I remember one guy bring one to him to sign that still had the tags on and he told the guy he would only sign it if he could pull the tags off and could give it some buckle rash.....just kidding around, but they are his own sentiments on it oin reality.

Despite the comments above, Joe is very grounded, totally not a snob and totally cool and friendly with people. He just doesn't tolerate fools. If he did he wouldn't be as sucessful as he is.

Good stuff and I agree with most/all of it.

These sites are made-up of all kinds of people though. I've been playing for money for 25 years now. It's only been the past couple of years that I got more into boutique gear. I did have a pair of PRS Custom 24s back in '98-99. But I got bored with them and sold them. At any rate, some of us have spent a lot of time playing in the clubs with stuff that those with deep pockets on sites like this would consider absolute junk. I've gigged more hours with Squire, Epiphone, G&L Tribute and ESP Ltd guitars; Danelectro pedals; and various budget amps than I have boutique stuff. So I'd hope that guys like JB would understand that not all active members of places like TGP (and here) are guys who've become affluent later in life, but who never had the will and/or time to put the time in the woodshed. For most of my "career" in music I've had the time and desire to woodshed, but not the money to afford something decent to play/practice on.

 

[chunkomatic]

it's a shame he had to get worked up over that board and gear joints in general. i get his point and subscribe to his newsletter as well. if one plays in a cover band, or a tribute band and has NEVER created a single, original piece of music, they are simply musicians and NOT artists. they are the equivalent of a child painting the mona lisa via a paint-by-number kit. granted, some "musicians" have superior skills and their mona lisa paintings turn out much better than others, but a "gigging pro" (<--LOL) who cannot create and simply dictates others music has no ground for disparaging JoeB's craft.

cover artists may be a part of the music industry, but they don't stand on the same tier as honest-to-god artists that have a vision and the talent to create something from nothing.

i wonder if those hacks that repeatedly crank out shitty oil paintings that sell to middle-america in those "Starving Artist" sales think they have any right to criticize Carravaggio's chiaroscuro technique?

 

[Greazygeo]

it's a shame he had to get worked up over that board and gear joints in general. i get his point and subscribe to his newsletter as well. if one plays in a cover band, or a tribute band and has NEVER created a single, original piece of music, they are simply musicians and NOT artists. they are the equivalent of a child painting the mona lisa via a paint-by-number kit. granted, some "musicians" have superior skills and their mona lisa paintings turn out much better than others, but a "gigging pro" (<--LOL) who cannot create and simply dictates others music has no ground for disparaging JoeB's craft.

cover artists may be a part of the music industry, but they don't stand on the same tier as honest-to-god artists that have a vision and the talent to create something from nothing.

i wonder if those hacks that repeatedly crank out shitty oil paintings that sell to middle-america in those "Starving Artist" sales think they have any right to criticize Carravaggio's chiaroscuro technique?

So. I'm guessing you don't play in a cover / tribute band right?

 

[Gainzilla]

It's slightly ironic how the longer this thread runs, the more it mimics RT's characterization of TGP...in this thread we have love for JB's tone, disdain for JB's tone, JB's tone is better than Eric Johnson, JB should have thicker skin, JB is justified in calling out TGP, JB should lower ticket prices, JB can't control ticket prices...we even say TGP is "spewing with negativity"...guys, it's the same thing here. NO different.

I have to disagree, I dont see this place being anything remotely like TGP. I will say that I have read lots of great things over there and seen loads of cool things but there is a prevailing attitude that I just dont see here at all. Some arguments and opinions are going to be universal to any gear forum , thats just the nature of the beast..

Despite the comments above, Joe is very grounded, totally not a snob and totally cool and friendly with people. He just doesn't tolerate fools. If he did he wouldn't be as sucessful as he is.

Ive seen Joe 5x and met him 5x and the guy couldnt have been more gracious and was always down for talking gear or for offering advice. One of those times, the guy looked like he had friggin ebola and yet stayed to talk to people; signing autographs and taking pictures. TRuthfully, I thought that he was going to fall over but he stayed until the last person left... Doesnt sound like a prima donna or jackass in my book....

Kage

 

[daver101]

it's a shame he had to get worked up over that board and gear joints in general. i get his point and subscribe to his newsletter as well. if one plays in a cover band, or a tribute band and has NEVER created a single, original piece of music, they are simply musicians and NOT artists. they are the equivalent of a child painting the mona lisa via a paint-by-number kit. granted, some "musicians" have superior skills and their mona lisa paintings turn out much better than others, but a "gigging pro" (<--LOL) who cannot create and simply dictates others music has no ground for disparaging JoeB's craft.

cover artists may be a part of the music industry, but they don't stand on the same tier as honest-to-god artists that have a vision and the talent to create something from nothing.

i wonder if those hacks that repeatedly crank out shitty oil paintings that sell to middle-america in those "Starving Artist" sales think they have any right to criticize Carravaggio's chiaroscuro technique?

I'm guessing that there's some sarcasm here, right?

 

[Gainzilla]

it's a shame he had to get worked up over that board and gear joints in general. i get his point and subscribe to his newsletter as well. if one plays in a cover band, or a tribute band and has NEVER created a single, original piece of music, they are simply musicians and NOT artists. they are the equivalent of a child painting the mona lisa via a paint-by-number kit. granted, some "musicians" have superior skills and their mona lisa paintings turn out much better than others, but a "gigging pro" (<--LOL) who cannot create and simply dictates others music has no ground for disparaging JoeB's craft.

cover artists may be a part of the music industry, but they don't stand on the same tier as honest-to-god artists that have a vision and the talent to create something from nothing.

i wonder if those hacks that repeatedly crank out shitty oil paintings that sell to middle-america in those "Starving Artist" sales think they have any right to criticize Carravaggio's chiaroscuro technique?

So. I'm guessing you don't play in a cover / tribute band right?

LMAO!!!!! Ive played in 3 original bands and lost track of the number of cover bands that IVe played in. The cover bands were alot more fun than the original bands for the most part and they all paid better to boot ...

Kage

 

[Rogue]

My guess is they slag Joe because HE has what they don't.....talent, career, sig gear, fame, fortune, ect..........

That never stopped anyone around here from slagging Kirk Hammett.

 

[Gainzilla]

My guess is they slag Joe because HE has what they don't.....talent, career, sig gear, fame, fortune, ect..........

That never stopped anyone around here from slagging Kirk Hammett.

Thats because Kirk has all of that and did it without talent

 

[King Crimson]

He realised exactly what I heard in my head when I designed it for him. THe lead tone had to be very forward and sad sounding. His design spec. was 'an emotional human vocal type lead tone'.

Oh lord...is it December 21st 2012 (MMXII)? Are you Hopi or part Mayan?

 

[Red_Label]

My guess is they slag Joe because HE has what they don't.....talent, career, sig gear, fame, fortune, ect..........

That never stopped anyone around here from slagging Kirk Hammett.

Thats because Kirk has all of that and did it without talent

LOL... true dat! Kirk truly won life's lotto...