EVH loses it and throws his monitor to face soundman

[Gainfreak]

He played fine at the show I went to - no major flubs and while he didn't do note for note or take many chances he was still very good.

let me tell you what i tell many people who have come back from live shows, the proof is in the recording. Its possible that what you thought you saw might not have been as good as you think. Id have to see some video of the show you saw before id believe it and Im not trying to sound like a prick either. Years ago my friend and I went to a Jeff Beck show. Beck was drunk and could hardly play. I had a little hand held recorder in my pocket and recorded the gig. My friend who I was with was crying tears of joy after hearing one of his idols play. After the gig, he turned to me and said that he thought Beck was amazing. i asked him are you sure? he said yes!!! I then let him listen to the tape Then He started crying because he got to really hear what was really going on vs getting caught up in the moment. im not doubting you but Id have to hear it for myself.

all the best!

You're friend cries a lot.

It takes a real man to be abe to cry.

 

[Lord Toneking]

I love how Eddie spices up and puts the EVH signature on this tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCWXAp49So

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I love how Eddie spices up and puts the EVH signature on this tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCWXAp49So

Yep... you see this is when he was on fire, Bro!!!
Every note he played counted!
No "filler" ...

 

[Digital Jams]

I love how Eddie spices up and puts the EVH signature on this tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCWXAp49So

I was at that show

They opened with You Really Got Me and then blew into this, by the end my bro's and my jaws were on the ground. EVH just destroyed that song.

 

[Tnjpekar]

ok, lets put it this way...........
eddy and dave on stage doing old vh, and dave putting it out there the way its supposed to be done.
if eddy is not up to eddy standards, thats a shame, but measure the concert on its own merits today, and not on 20 years ago or so.
yeah, I have seen them with eddy in his prime maybe 20 times or more, and this isn't it but its still worth it compared to paying a c-note to see aerosmith on the same date two years ago.
just enjoy it for what its worth, not everyone can be Jeff Beck, can they..

....This is the ONLY way for us old timers who have seen Ed at the top of his game, to go and enjoy the show!
I agree with Ralph 100% too, so I had to just go and have fun at the Roth/EVH "together maybe for the last time" show.
I do not see Eddie ever playing like he once did, ever again. Just my opinion.
Like I said before, I enjoyed George Lynch in 2005 with 175 people there MUCH more than this VH tour. Lynch show cost me $28 !!!
So ya, I see Ralphie's point... Lynch is 53 years old and rippin his licks faster, better and sharper than ever!


Keith

oh, dont misunderstand me, I totally agree with ralphie on that issue. no excuses for eddy, not when you can have lynch or morse, who is older than either of them, playing better and faster than ever before (I actually think morse got better as he got older, if that was at all possible)
look, if I was just going as an eddy fan I wouln't have gone at all. I would have been pissed off at what I saw, but I went for the show, and for that it was great fun.
and yeah, your right, for those of us that have seen him in his prime, we do need to minimize our expectations to maximize our enjoyment, just like marriage

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

ok, lets put it this way...........
eddy and dave on stage doing old vh, and dave putting it out there the way its supposed to be done.
if eddy is not up to eddy standards, thats a shame, but measure the concert on its own merits today, and not on 20 years ago or so.
yeah, I have seen them with eddy in his prime maybe 20 times or more, and this isn't it but its still worth it compared to paying a c-note to see aerosmith on the same date two years ago.
just enjoy it for what its worth, not everyone can be Jeff Beck, can they..

....This is the ONLY way for us old timers who have seen Ed at the top of his game, to go and enjoy the show!
I agree with Ralph 100% too, so I had to just go and have fun at the Roth/EVH "together maybe for the last time" show.
I do not see Eddie ever playing like he once did, ever again. Just my opinion.
Like I said before, I enjoyed George Lynch in 2005 with 175 people there MUCH more than this VH tour. Lynch show cost me $28 !!!
So ya, I see Ralphie's point... Lynch is 53 years old and rippin his licks faster, better and sharper than ever!


Keith

oh, dont misunderstand me, I totally agree with ralphie on that issue. no excuses for eddy, not when you can have lynch or morse, who is older than either of them, playing better and faster than ever before (I actually think morse got better as he got older, if that was at all possible)
look, if I was just going as an eddy fan I wouln't have gone at all. I would have been pissed off at what I saw, but I went for the show, and for that it was great fun.
and yeah, your right, for those of us that have seen him in his prime, we do need to minimize our expectations to maximize our enjoyment, just like marriage

lol...."marriage"... you got that right on the money, Bro!
Daily struggle...

 

[Gainfreak]

lol...."marriage"... you got that right on the money, Bro!
Daily struggle...

You poor bastards!!! Although me being with the same girl for the last 11 + years aint no picnic either

 

[70strathead]

this is actually pretty tame compared to just about every Yngwie show I've been too. I was at his soundcheck on the Attack tour and Rudy Sarzo was playing bass for him, and Yngwie had the entire road crew sweating their asses off by constantly telling them to change/switch monitors and getting the drums to sound perfect. he was really anal about the drum sound and was just giving the guy hell. Then the show started and Rudy was pointing at one of the monitors that wasn't working and Yngwie saw it and gave the most evil look to one of the guys that made him sprint on stage and within seconds the monitor was changed.

If a guitar was not in tune, everyone in the venue knew about because of Yngwie's gestures and the fact that he would literaly toss his guitar at the guitar tech!...crazy swede! : )

A

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

lol...."marriage"... you got that right on the money, Bro!
Daily struggle...

You poor bastards!!! Although me being with the same girl for the last 11 + years aint no picnic either

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Ralphie!!

Three kids,
20 year old son - great, but a lazy slob!
18 year old son - great, but a lazy slob!
15 year old daughter- an absolute nightmare.
She looks 18 and thinks she's 25.

She's goingto kill Amanda and I - it's scary!

Keith

 

[Tnjpekar]

11 years?!
cakewalk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4 kids, 14, 12, 10 and 8, then we got cable.........

 

[amiller]

There's a lot on the line at a big arena concert and tuning fuckups should NOT be tolerated. The techs are supposed to be professionals. I have a friend that has a video of Nuno Bettencourt having a tuning issue at one of his concerts. Nuno actually took the guitar off and threw it at the tech...now, that's losing it.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

Kinda cool... Found this...

Though rarely discussed, one of the most distinctive aspects of Van Halen's sound was Eddie Van Halen's tuning of the guitar. Before Van Halen, most distorted, metal-oriented rock consciously avoided the use of the major third interval in guitar chords, creating instead the signature power chord of the genre. When run through a distorted amplifier, the rapid beating of the major third on a conventionally tuned guitar is distracting and somewhat dissonant.
Van Halen developed a technique of flattening his B string slightly so that the interval between the open G and B reaches a justly intonated, beatless third. This consonant third was almost unheard of in distorted-guitar rock and allowed Van Halen to use major chords in a way that mixed classic hard rock power with "happy" pop. The effect is pronounced on songs such as "Runnin' With the Devil", "Unchained", and "Where Have All the Good Times Gone?".

With the B string flattened the correct amount, chords in some positions on the guitar have more justly intonated thirds, but in other positions the flat B string creates out-of-tune intervals. As Eddie once remarked to Guitar Player:

 

[Gainfreak]

Kinda cool... Found this...

Though rarely discussed, one of the most distinctive aspects of Van Halen's sound was Eddie Van Halen's tuning of the guitar. Before Van Halen, most distorted, metal-oriented rock consciously avoided the use of the major third interval in guitar chords, creating instead the signature power chord of the genre. When run through a distorted amplifier, the rapid beating of the major third on a conventionally tuned guitar is distracting and somewhat dissonant.
Van Halen developed a technique of flattening his B string slightly so that the interval between the open G and B reaches a justly intonated, beatless third. This consonant third was almost unheard of in distorted-guitar rock and allowed Van Halen to use major chords in a way that mixed classic hard rock power with "happy" pop. The effect is pronounced on songs such as "Runnin' With the Devil", "Unchained", and "Where Have All the Good Times Gone?".

With the B string flattened the correct amount, chords in some positions on the guitar have more justly intonated thirds, but in other positions the flat B string creates out-of-tune intervals. As Eddie once remarked to Guitar Player:

Ive read that before. There was a thread a few years ago about playing running with the devil. The guy said that it wouldn't sound right unless you detuned your B string a bit. I tried it and he was right. Eddie definitely was ahead of his time in more ways then one. I think his social skills were probably always lacking but his music skills and his tinkering skills were always amazing IMHO. Most people also forget that he had a major hand in fine tuning the floyd rose and he invented the D tuna not to mention how he used to setup and build his own guitars and pickups.

 

[tweed]

Isn't that kinda what the Buzz Feiten(sp?) tuning thing does?

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

Isn't that kinda what the Buzz Feiten(sp?) tuning thing does?

The BF thing does cure intonation issues up the neck... anotherwards, normally a chord in the lower frets will be a tad sharp while a chord way up the neck will be a tad flat. The BF system solves that, but does not affect the b string thing.

Kw

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

"A guitar is just theoretically built wrong. Each string is an interval of fourths, and then the B string is off. Theoretically, that's not right. If you tune an open E chord in the first position and it's perfectly in tune, and then you hit a barre chord an octave higher, it's out of tune. The B string is always a motherfucker to keep in tune all the time! So I have to retune for certain songs. And when I use the Floyd onstage, I have to unclamp it and do it real quick. But with a standard-vibrato guitar, I can tune it while I'm playing.''

...EVH

 

[tweed]

Thats some cool info, but seems like it would be a complete pain to deal with live.

The BF thing, is it just setting intonation differently?

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

Thats some cool info, but seems like it would be a complete pain to deal with live.

The BF thing, is it just setting intonation differently?

It just keeps chords all over the neck "in tune" as opposed to chords in the lower area being sharp and up the neck being flat, which is normally the case.
I have installed a "zero fret" right against the Floyd nut that accomplishes this task perfectly!
It works better than I could imagine!

Keith

 

[Lord Toneking]

I'd like to hear a clip of this tuning with each individual string

 

[bobbtoz]

I was at this show. Yes he did throw the monitor to face the soundman, but what the video didn't show you (because they we're recording Wolfie w/ Dave on the far left) was Eddie drag the monitor and toss it off the stage!!!

I said this in a different post, but it bares repeating-Eddies solo was the second worst I've heard next to CC Deville. And I'm a Eddie fan!

When did he throw it offstage ... during Ice Cream Man?

Kw

Right at the end of the song just before icecream man. The video would have shown it, but the recorder panned over to DLR and Wolfie who were on the left side of the stage. At that point Eddie dragged the monitor to the far right of the stage and flipped it over the edge. You could hear some high pitch squeals and the lights went down, DLR stepped out in front and started to play icecream man.

Like most of you guys I had a great time at the show, but Eddies timing was off and key notes of the solos were not there.