EVH v VH4...just an observation....

[borninwinter]

I don't have any idea of what people mean when they say synthetic sounding. They have a lot of gain and compression? They sound like an AxeFx? I don't think either Diezels or EVHs sound solid state.

Yes that's exactly what I mean they have a very solid state feel to the tone tone and since we are talking cars its like an import vs American muscle thing

Maybe what you're noticing is the amount of tightness and clarity? Both Diezels and EVH have more of that at high gain than most tube amps. I don't think they feel or sound solid state though. Compare them to one of the Randall RGs or play along with some Pantera and you'll notice the difference.

 

[Anonymous]

All 5150's are shit... the Peavey's and the new EVH 5150 III. You put in enough gain and a buzzy, grindy sound and you're gonna satisfy all the metal kids. Helps to have the name too.

There it is folks. Verdict has been rendered and proceedings have come to a close.

It was a good fight, the circumstanctial evidence was provided, but as in any democratic judicial system, the courts have reached their verdict with unbiased ruling which will set a precedence for future litigation.

Thank you anomaly for your research and devoted hard work.

 

[RG955TT]

Put my 996 911 Turbo against that BMW you got there....just sayin, you're wrong about the Diesel and now wrong about the Porsche vs BMW too...so sorry dude

I wouldn't say that I am wrong, rather that I have my own opinion of it.

Also, if my amp has an issue in the future, ie.. transformer or something else.. I will simply fix it. I like the amp enough to go out of my way to fix and add if necessary, a higher grade component. If the VH4 had tone that I like, I would do the same. Simply is not for me. If the VH4 was $999.99 brand new, I'd still feel the same.

And my M5 does just fine for me btw.

I'm sure it does, nice car...my post was tongue and cheek, I was just kidding with you.

It does kill me that so many feel the need to bash the VH4, it a proven amp and it does what it does extremely well...BTW part of the cost is that it is imported from Germany. Over there they are a better deal price wise than a Mesa

 

[Anonymous]

Then what about the other imported amps/guitars.

China, Indonesia, etc? German import fees higher?
Seriously, not being sarcastic or anything.

Seems anything German made is $$ lol

 

[RG955TT]

Don't know really, but many Euro members say a Mesa Rectifier costs them more than a VH-4 in Europe.

 

[Bato]

Not more, they are almost the same price. But not the same comparing the prices in their countries. The rectos are pretty cheap in the U.S.

 

[BrentSSL]

I don't have any idea of what people mean when they say synthetic sounding. They have a lot of gain and compression? They sound like an AxeFx? I don't think either Diezels or EVHs sound solid state.

Yes that's exactly what I mean they have a very solid state feel to the tone tone and since we are talking cars its like an import vs American muscle thing

Maybe what you're noticing is the amount of tightness and clarity? Both Diezels and EVH have more of that at high gain than most tube amps. I don't think they feel or sound solid state though. Compare them to one of the Randall RGs or play along with some Pantera and you'll notice the difference.

I completely agree and its awesome but I think I like being able to open an amp up more rather than having that closed off vibe. But I don't know because the only 2 amps that do it well are the VH4 and the 5150iii That I have been able to play if I found an amp that does both that would be awesome. Hence why EMGs with a dual rec no boost no EQ can achieve some awesome sounds

 

[Racerxrated]

When you open an amp up is when it shows you what its all about. That's why when people compare this and that to an SLO, its clear to me that they've never played one. And if they have, they didn't turn it up. People that say a 5150 or variant, or a Recto sounds as good...no. Friggin. Way. I continue to laugh at that. Like whatever amp you want....but "dude I got my peavey to sound just like an SLO!" No. You didn't.

 

[Badronald]

When you open an amp up is when it shows you what its all about. That's why when people compare this and that to an SLO, its clear to me that they've never played one. And if they have, they didn't turn it up. People that say a 5150 or variant, or a Recto sounds as good...no. Friggin. Way. I continue to laugh at that. Like whatever amp you want....but "dude I got my peavey to sound just like an SLO!" No. You didn't.

Do people really say a 5150 sounds just like an SLO? I've never seen that. They all have their own minor differences. Some amps may be in the same ballpark as others. My Quickrod is a gainy variant of an old Marshall, but I'd never say it sounded "Just like".

On another note, I don't care what an amp looks like inside. Most players will never open their amp. Why would they? If it sounds great and is reliable, that's all that matters. I gigged a Mesa MK (sure they're built like tanks) for 15 years. 100's of gig's and it never broke down. I don't even remember changing the tubes. I may have. But as a gigging player, I need an amp to work every night. No exceptions.

When I see reviews of the EVH amp acting up from bedroom players it terrifies me to think of relying on one for live gigging. I'd take the quality made Diezel for that reason alone.

 

[Bob Savage]

Do people really say a 5150 sounds just like an SLO? I've never seen that.

Neither have I.

Straw man...

 

[sjk]

When you open an amp up is when it shows you what its all about. That's why when people compare this and that to an SLO, its clear to me that they've never played one. And if they have, they didn't turn it up. People that say a 5150 or variant, or a Recto sounds as good...no. Friggin. Way. I continue to laugh at that. Like whatever amp you want....but "dude I got my peavey to sound just like an SLO!" No. You didn't.

Do people really say a 5150 sounds just like an SLO? I've never seen that. They all have their own minor differences. Some amps may be in the same ballpark as others. My Quickrod is a gainy variant of an old Marshall, but I'd never say it sounded "Just like".

On another note, I don't care what an amp looks like inside. Most players will never open their amp. Why would they? If it sounds great and is reliable, that's all that matters. I gigged a Mesa MK (sure they're built like tanks) for 15 years. 100's of gig's and it never broke down. I don't even remember changing the tubes. I may have. But as a gigging player, I need an amp to work every night. No exceptions.

When I see reviews of the EVH amp acting up from bedroom players it terrifies me to think of relying on one for live gigging. I'd take the quality made Diezel for that reason alone.

I'm thinking by opening up he meant turning up loud, not what the insides of the amp looks like. I'd agree when you turn up most tube amps is when you get to hear what they sound like at there best generally.

 

[Badronald]

When you open an amp up is when it shows you what its all about. That's why when people compare this and that to an SLO, its clear to me that they've never played one. And if they have, they didn't turn it up. People that say a 5150 or variant, or a Recto sounds as good...no. Friggin. Way. I continue to laugh at that. Like whatever amp you want....but "dude I got my peavey to sound just like an SLO!" No. You didn't.

Do people really say a 5150 sounds just like an SLO? I've never seen that. They all have their own minor differences. Some amps may be in the same ballpark as others. My Quickrod is a gainy variant of an old Marshall, but I'd never say it sounded "Just like".

On another note, I don't care what an amp looks like inside. Most players will never open their amp. Why would they? If it sounds great and is reliable, that's all that matters. I gigged a Mesa MK (sure they're built like tanks) for 15 years. 100's of gig's and it never broke down. I don't even remember changing the tubes. I may have. But as a gigging player, I need an amp to work every night. No exceptions.

When I see reviews of the EVH amp acting up from bedroom players it terrifies me to think of relying on one for live gigging. I'd take the quality made Diezel for that reason alone.

I'm thinking by opening up he meant turning up loud, not what the insides of the amp looks like. I'd agree when you turn up most tube amps is when you get to hear what they sound like at there best generally.

You're probably right.

Big 100 watt Marshall style amps don't really deliver until you can get them cranked a little. Some of the more modern, preamp based amps seem to work a little better at lower volumes.

 

[Deanmachine]

If you have ever pulled a Diezel out of it chassis you can see the fine German engineering even down to the back panel bolts sorry there's no debating that..

 

[Racerxrated]

Do people really say a 5150 sounds just like an SLO? I've never seen that.

Neither have I.

Straw man...

Yup. Its out there...I've read it here a few years ago, even recently people were comparing other lower cost amps to an SLO. I guess I need to find it and post a link. I think BrentSSL did a few months ago....

 

[borninwinter]

Not just like, not entirely different though

 

[BrentSSL]

Do people really say a 5150 sounds just like an SLO? I've never seen that.

Neither have I.

Straw man...

Yup. Its out there...I've read it here a few years ago, even recently people were comparing other lower cost amps to an SLO. I guess I need to find it and post a link. I think BrentSSL did a few months ago....

I bought a Rev F that sounded rather similiar to my friends SLO they have the same vibe. We A/B them and you can hear it honestly the best sound you can get is combining those to. I've also recorded with a 3 channel and 5150 with a choke and got SLO like results there as well. It's like the SLO lives in those amps and you can find it and get close but not without certain things like a choke or EQ and boost and it's still not quite the SLO but it's there IMHO

 

[sytharnia1560]

Not just like, not entirely different though

that just proves it ........ you can make all those amps sound like shit

 

[BrentSSL]

Isn't there one with a Mark V also?

 

[borninwinter]

Not just like, not entirely different though

that just proves it ........ you can make all those amps sound like shit

Quite witty, my good man. Quite witty, indeed!

 

[borninwinter]

Do people really say a 5150 sounds just like an SLO? I've never seen that.

Neither have I.

Straw man...

Yup. Its out there...I've read it here a few years ago, even recently people were comparing other lower cost amps to an SLO. I guess I need to find it and post a link. I think BrentSSL did a few months ago....

I bought a Rev F that sounded rather similiar to my friends SLO they have the same vibe. We A/B them and you can hear it honestly the best sound you can get is combining those to. I've also recorded with a 3 channel and 5150 with a choke and got SLO like results there as well. It's like the SLO lives in those amps and you can find it and get close but not without certain things like a choke or EQ and boost and it's still not quite the SLO but it's there IMHO

Never play a SLO myself, but I did A/B a Rev F and 5153. Also could get them pretty close. Rev F a sounded bigger, 5153 sounded a tighter, but no would would probably notice much in a mix.