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Agreed It does sound like the Dweezil clip but both are not good for tones i like .

I am not going to post here in Fractal thread but Zent have you heard Will Chen 65 amps profile .
Its is amazing for clean ,dynamics and blues when he digs in
 
gtr31":1y9e86cv said:
Agreed It does sound like the Dweezil clip but both are not good for tones i like .

I am not going to post here in Fractal thread but Zent have you heard Will Chen 65 amps profile .
Its is amazing for clean ,dynamics and blues when he digs in
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https://soundcloud.com/willchen28/kpa-l ... m-grit-r44


Awesome clippage as are many, many of the Kemper clips. I would get the rack but for a weekend warrior playing at churches there's really no point in having both. I do a bunch of effects stuff so that's why I have what I have. I do want those new CLR monitors though. Damn, they look nice. Great reviews coming out too.

This comparison clip is pretty good. They both sound good enough here for the weekend warrior types.:


 
Dang, they had to delete posts out of the gear page thread. What did someone post that was so bad in there?
 
stratotone":2o2qu2bz said:
Dang, they had to delete posts out of the gear page thread. What did someone post that was so bad in there?
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Just some trash talk from a Kemper owner. They are trying to cut down on the Fractal/Kemper wars that just get out of hand every time they happen. Some guys love their Fractals, some guys love their Kempers. Some guys just love to troll. :)
 
zentman":1bbwp7mc said:
stratotone":1bbwp7mc said:
Dang, they had to delete posts out of the gear page thread. What did someone post that was so bad in there?
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Just some trash talk from a Kemper owner. They are trying to cut down on the Fractal/Kemper wars that just get out of hand every time they happen. Some guys love their Fractals, some guys love their Kempers. Some guys just love to troll. :)
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some of these threads bring out the best in people LOL
 
stratotone":1db7ak6h said:
Ventura":1db7ak6h said:
Bottom line to all of it does it make you want to play. Not to derail the thread, what are you going with for FRFRs?
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Active CLR Wedges.

It was pretty cool, just around xmas I decided to pop Tom King an email and let him know I was lining up to get some Atomic Wedges... He said to wait for a few days, as the wait would be 'well worth it'. After the release of their new CLR line, I thought it was kinda cool that Tom didn't hut me up for the purchase of two of his soon-to-be-old-stock Atomics. That was honest and cool on his part.

So in short, the CLRs - and I've been reading some hands' down killer shit on them. Surprisingly and solidly, they're a good price and apparently rivaling everything out there under the sun (pardoning the really expensive Mayer (sp??) shit).
 
zentman":32jkkves said:
gtr31":32jkkves said:
Agreed It does sound like the Dweezil clip but both are not good for tones i like .

I am not going to post here in Fractal thread but Zent have you heard Will Chen 65 amps profile .
Its is amazing for clean ,dynamics and blues when he digs in
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https://soundcloud.com/willchen28/kpa-l ... m-grit-r44


Awesome clippage as are many, many of the Kemper clips. I would get the rack but for a weekend warrior playing at churches there's really no point in have both. I do a bunch of effects stuff so that's why I have what I have. I do want those new CLR monitors though. Damn, they look nice. Great reviews coming out too.

This comparison clip is pretty good. They both sound good enough here for the weekend warrior types.:


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Thanks Zent .like I said i was not going to do that in Fractal thread

That to me is a great tone ,you can hear the pick bouncing off the strings ,the finger noise on movements.
I would never in a million years think that was a modeller
Its all subjective but that one ( along with Pete's Fender Twin profiles) are standouts to me in the clean/Dirty clean realm
 
sah5150":3nvmtjqz said:
If Cliff wants to highlight Van Halen tone with the Axe, he should use these clips. I think they show it better than anything he's put up:

Romeo Delight!
Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

Steve
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I'm pretty sure he just puts those out there for the forum to see where he's at in his work. Not that he sucks but there are guys out there that really make the tones shine once he's done. These type clips are like "Ok, here's where I am at" things. You can get a basic idea of whether the tone is shaping up or not but it's not gonna knock your socks off like the SRV stuff above.
 
lester":1dmqpdul said:
What do you guys think of some of these Clones Tones the guy from Silent Underground Studios is doing with the Axe?

Here's a Master of Puppets deal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntyDueje ... cA&index=6
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I think all of that stuff sounds cool. Some stuff is closer to my ears than others, but I think it is all well produced. I'd also say that guy is the best guitar player I've ever heard who actually considers his main instrument to be drums. :D

Steve
 
zentman":94k2ol74 said:
sah5150":94k2ol74 said:
If Cliff wants to highlight Van Halen tone with the Axe, he should use these clips. I think they show it better than anything he's put up:

Romeo Delight!
Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

Steve
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I'm pretty sure he just puts those out there for the forum to see where he's at in his work. Not that he sucks but there are guys out there that really make the tones shine once he's done. These type clips are like "Ok, here's where I am at" things. You can get a basic idea of whether the tone is shaping up or not but it's not gonna knock your socks off like the SRV stuff above.
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Well then, I just don't get the point of playing Van Halen licks, with an un-produced tone that seems to be going for that sound. Number one, it isn't going to sound like the record, so 99% of people that hear it are gonna think it sounds bad. Number two, it is impossible to really tell much outside of a mix with the other instruments because that is the only way anyone has ever heard that guitar tone. Number three, if you can't play the music accurately then it is going to detract from what the possible buyer is hearing because their ears are tuned to hearing the stuff played correctly. 99% of what we react to is the player because excellent guitar playing trumps tone every time.

I mention this because I agonize over this stuff myself putting out clips of me playing my own amp that I'm selling, because I always want the clips of my amp played by the best player I can get (certainly better than me by a mile) who will impress people more than I can. Most people are going to react to the playing more than the amp itself. I can easily prove this. The other thing is that personally, I think that clips of just a guitar are pretty much worthless. I mean, really, who cares what a guitar sounds like by itself? I want to hear it mixed with the other instruments it is going to be played with because music is about the sum total, not just one instrument, unless your entire act consists of playing "Eruption". I cave to the pressure myself of other guitarists who ask for them and put out clips of my amp without other instruments, but to me it is meaningless. It's like high gain amps recorded with camcorder or phone mics - they all sound the same to me. I also think it is worthless to put out close mic'd guitar clips without some effects (at least delay/reverb) even though people ask for that all the time. 99% of guitar players will HATE them because that is not what they are used to hearing. Sure, the guys that record all the time and that are used to hearing dry, close-mic'd clips will be able to tell something from them, but at what cost? Guys who's ears aren't tuned to that might pass up an amp because they heard those clips, which don't represent any way that a person would actually hear the amp in a band context (recorded or live)...

Wow... that turned into quite a rant! I'm quite proud of myself... :lol: :LOL:

Steve
 
gtr31":3113j8il said:
sah5150":3113j8il said:
If Cliff wants to highlight Van Halen tone with the Axe, he should use these clips. I think they show it better than anything he's put up:

Romeo Delight!
Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

Steve
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Yes, those are cool, but once again the playing is spot on
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Yeah, and they are in a mix with the original band without the guitar, which is the only way people have heard that sound and the only way I think it can be judged. Also, as I said, the playing is always going to trump the tone to 99% of guitar players. That is what makes the tone special. Without it, tone doesn't matter...

Steve
 
I'm the opposite when it comes to clips. I love to hear them with just the guitar not triple tracked produced stuff. That being said, playing definitely matters. There's that guy "Valteil" that does some awesome Kemper clips for the ampfactory. Solo stuff but he just kills and really brings out what a tone can do

. PS.....Not just saying this but your amps at the LA amp show just slayed me. Great player in that room too.
 
zentman":zsmedccp said:
stratotone":zsmedccp said:
Dang, they had to delete posts out of the gear page thread. What did someone post that was so bad in there?
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Just some trash talk from a Kemper owner. They are trying to cut down on the Fractal/Kemper wars that just get out of hand every time they happen. Some guys love their Fractals, some guys love their Kempers. Some guys just love to troll. :)
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The Kemper vs. Axe II wars are totally nuts. If you can't get KILLER recorded tones out of either unit, YOU"RE DOING IT WRONG! :lol: :LOL:

Steve
 
zentman":3k7u6x5p said:
I'm the opposite when it comes to clips. I love to hear them with just the guitar not triple tracked produced stuff. That being said, playing definitely matters. There's that guy "Valteil" that does some awesome Kemper clips for the ampfactory. Solo stuff but he just kills and really brings out what a tone can do

. PS.....Not just saying this but your amps at the LA amp show just slayed me. Great player in that room too.
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Much appreciated, Zent! And see, I was smart - I got the best guitar player possible to play in my room - Chubtone/Curt Anderson, who tirelessly slayed for about 16 hours that weekend. He may have been a bit too good though - no one wanted to grab the guitar and demo the amp after listening to Curt play! :lol: :LOL:

Steve
 
I guess I don't understand people slamming the Fractal stuff so much. Regardless of how people feel about modeling, Cliff, or the unit itself, tons of people on that forum are helpful and I even had one forumite call me to figure out what was wrong with my unit a year ago.

There are not many companies out there that are as accessible as Fractal. I mean, I grew up with Rob Keeley and doubt I could get him on the line if I called the shop. I understand everyone finding the "real vs. more real vs. even more real" hilarious but I have enjoyed having a steady stream of firmware updates with new amps, sounds, etc.

I enjoy amps of all types and am not an Axe-FX fanboi. Just seems like people really get annoyed over this "computer". :)
 
romanianreaper":14ru8obh said:
I guess I don't understand people slamming the Fractal stuff so much. Regardless of how people feel about modeling, Cliff, or the unit itself, tons of people on that forum are helpful and I even had one forumite call me to figure out what was wrong with my unit a year ago.

There are not many companies out there that are as accessible as Fractal. I mean, I grew up with Rob Keeley and doubt I could get him on the line if I called the shop. I understand everyone finding the "real vs. more real vs. even more real" hilarious but I have enjoyed having a steady stream of firmware updates with new amps, sounds, etc.

I enjoy amps of all types and am not an Axe-FX fanboi. Just seems like people really get annoyed over this "computer". :)
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musicians by nature are usually opinionated .which is fine .
The problem happens when you try to push your opinions.

This doesn't only happen with modellers.
I was at long and Mcquade last Friday and the rental guy was telling me how a fist figfht nearly broke out over acoustics in their listnening room Martin vs Gibson . :no:
 
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