Fryette Pittbull Ultralead II

[stephen sawall]

New gear sales are very much effected by the used market. Once the market is flooded the used price goes down and sales of new drops off significantly.

Saturation in the guitar market often happens about the time 300-500 have been made.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

New gear sales are very much effected by the used market. Once the market is flooded the used price goes down and sales of new drops off significantly.

Saturation in the guitar market often happens about the time 300-500 have been made.

I think about this and wonder if it would affect fryetre were he to get to that number in new sales.

I feel like people are not as quick to buy used digital items as they are analogue (read reliable).

 

[OldGtrGuy]

I think about this and wonder if it would affect fryetre were he to get to that number in new sales.

I feel like people are not as quick to buy used digital items as they are analogue (read reliable).

For me it depends. I typically always buy used but for digital idk. Example, getting close to getting a quad cortex. See them for 1k sometimes. Im hearing the warranty isn't transferable so id probably just buy new for 1800

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

For me it depends. I typically always buy used but for digital idk. Example, getting close to getting a quad cortex. See them for 1k sometimes. Im hearing the warranty isn't transferable so id probably just buy new for 1800

Yeah that is what i was getting at. At a certain pricepoint, the warranty becomes attractive on a digital device

 

[RedB4Black]

Yeah that is what i was getting at. At a certain pricepoint, the warranty becomes attractive on a digital device

Not when, in my experience, most digital devices seem to have a one-year warranty.

 

[DanTravis62]

Not when, in my experience, most digital devices seem to have a one-year warranty.

Most of the time a one year warranty is basically a band-aid.

Digital devices (especially guitar gear) almost universally lose more and more value the longer you own them. To the point that almost all digital devices (especially guitar gear) are completely worthless junk at a certain point. And I'm not saying I hate digital stuff or something at all. It just is what it is, and it's a factor many people consider when they decide whether or not to spend 4 fucking grand on a product

 

[stephen sawall]

GEQ, IR, presets, switching. The only thing I would see as becoming out dated is IR. They have even around a long time. The other issues being heat and build quality. I'm not worried about either from Fryette.
We are all surrounded by digital devices. There is a digital clock in front of me 40 years old.

I guess when they release the details we will have a much better idea of what we are actually looking at.

 

[DanTravis62]

GEQ, IR, presets, switching. The only thing I would see as becoming out dated is IR. They have even around a long time. The other issues being heat and build quality. I'm not worried about either from Fryette.
We are all surrounded by digital devices. There is a digital clock in front of me 40 years old.

I guess when they release the details we will have a much better idea of what we are actually looking at.

We are all surrounded by digital devices, yes, but a reason many people love guitar gear is that it isnt digital devices with planned obsolescence that will eventually be worthless junk in a landfill

In fact, that's one of the main reasons it retains more value than some other electronic product

 

[nightlight]

The problem is everything sounds amazing online with the right production but a lot of them sound like shit.

Or for myself personally, im extremely picky about guitar necks and you cant really walk into a GC and play an unknown brand. So you buy it, it doesnt work then you're stuck with it or will take a major loss.

I have no intention on keeping anything i dont jive with but that's just me. At least with a well known brand you can resell without losing your ass too much.

I would agree normally, except for the e-commerce rules that protect consumers. Out here, it's nothing like America or Europe where you have a great return policy. Don't like it, send it back, I would have thought. A bit of a hassle, but at least you can try stuff out.

 

[bubucci]

All problems I have got in recent years with gear was with tube/analog gear not digital. Most of stuff like Axe Ultra still working after 20 years old and those are more complicated than this stuff. Fryette knows what is he designing and how are the specs of components.

All those those crybabies which still doesn't buy this amp, mainly because Fryette is not MAGA retard, will be in shitpants or death sooner than those digital stuff will fail

btw Good luck with repairing amp like Mesa Mark VII in 20 years

 

[Eazy-ESP]

All problems I have got in recent years with gear was with tube/analog gear not digital. Most of stuff like Axe Ultra still working after 20 years old and those are more complicated than this stuff. Fryette knows what is he designing and how are the specs of components.

All those those crybabies which still doesn't buy this amp, mainly because Fryette is not MAGA retard, will be in shitpants or death sooner than those digital stuff will fail

btw Good luck with repairing amp like Mesa Mark VII in 20 years

lol.

 

[DanTravis62]

lol.

 

[DanTravis62]

Ah yes, who is pants shittingly retarded now

 

[bubucci]

Where is some corelation with reliability ? This was what some was bitchin about, not technological advancement which cause of those prices.

 

[ZEN Amps]

I get that people have concerns with servicing and longevity, but I think some are underestimating what a competent technician can accomplish. There also seems to be conflation of three independent things: analog/digital, quality/paltriness, reliable/unreliable.

An AMS reverb from the 80's is serviceable by anyone switched on, as opposed to some recent shitbox tube amp with a terrible design and nasty PCBs. Basket case Mesas can be saved, it happens every day of the week, as does service work on SMT devices and other electronics.

I'm a tube amp guy for life, but I'd put my money on a Kemper outlasting a cheapie Blackstar every time - analog/digital doesn't enter into it.

If someone isn't comfortable spending a lot of dough on a device with some digital tech, that's totally reasonable - their call. But descending into simple analog vs digital arguments without considering some other basic factors (like design robustness, build and component quality) is going to be pretty unsatisfying for a nerd like me to read.

 

[DanTravis62]

Where is some corelation with reliability ? This was what some was bitchin about, not technological advancement which cause of those prices.

Well, you completely glossed over the obvious fact that when your tube amps (which you have had nothing but reliability problems with) can actually be fucking fixed when they have problems. which made you look like a crayon eater

Which isn't a matter of quantitative correlation, it's a matter of completely missing the forest for the trees, which along with the rest of your comment checks out

 

[Eazy-ESP]

I get that people have concerns with servicing and longevity, but I think some are underestimating what a competent technician can accomplish. There also seems to be conflation of three independent things: analog/digital, quality/paltriness, reliable/unreliable.

An AMS reverb from the 80's is serviceable by anyone switched on, as opposed to some recent shitbox tube amp with a terrible design and nasty PCBs. Basket case Mesas can be saved, it happens every day of the week, as does service work on SMT devices and other electronics.

I'm a tube amp guy for life, but I'd put my money on a Kemper outlasting a cheapie Blackstar every time - analog/digital doesn't enter into it.

If someone isn't comfortable spending a lot of dough on a device with some digital tech, that's totally reasonable - their call. But descending into simple analog vs digital arguments without considering some other basic factors (like design robustness, build and component quality) is going to be pretty unsatisfying for a nerd like me to read.

Yeah, but Fryette made amps that were solid and serviceable and even though "PCB" and "PCB mounted tubes" were well thought out and simple. Unlike an ENGL for example. When he has to cram everything into a small form factor, I don't believe there is anyway to make it the way a Deliverance is. (Have a look at Deliverance gunshots for a good open serviceable and logical looking PCB amp.

We had two separate issues with our PS2A, Fryette were unresponsive both times. This was in the last two years, maybe they've improved?



Yep the younger players are certainly more open to innovation, unsurprisingly. I've also been heartened to meet and talk to many under 25's in recent years that love and value tube amps - and this is why I welcome the addition of digital when it doesn't compromise on tone.

That new Friedman load box thing for example could be pretty cool, except that it goes beyond "digitally-controlled analog" and actually digitises the signal before. Not sure about this new Fryette box - hopefully they had the sense to keep the signal in the analog domain, and use the digital side for control only - or as a fully-bypassable option.

May I ask what the issue you had with the one (small form factor) Fryette product you owned was? Your own words and experience aren't exactly filling me with optimism for a shrunken and crammed Pittbull with digital components.

 

[glpg80]

We are all surrounded by digital devices, yes, but a reason many people love guitar gear is that it isnt digital devices with planned obsolescence that will eventually be worthless junk in a landfill

In fact, that's one of the main reasons it retains more value than some other electronic product

My biggest concern with anything touching a laptop from a company that doesn’t typically have a history of software interfaces is that eventually operating systems become obsolete and updates to software for products are not considered long term.

I hate everything about the digital part of this amplifier and it’s because it just isn’t going to last. The screen and user interface are awful and my opinion is that the software will be outdated in 7 years once new things have been developed and it falls victim to no longer being the shiny new thing.

 

[bubucci]

Well, you completely glossed over the obvious fact that when your tube amps (which you have had nothing but reliability problems with) can actually be fucking fixed when they have problems. which made you look like a crayon eater

Which isn't a matter of quantitative correlation, it's a matter of completely missing the forest for the trees, which along with the rest of your comment checks out

I can fix tube amp to some degree and have qualified tech nearby but still my experience is none of those digital devices, mainly Fractal fail on me and this was my point. I have bad encoder on old FX Ultra but it was 20E fix and I know the guy who bought it and work flawlessly today.
Of course You can ask Fryette if they will have replacement parts on stock when purchase one... I had Masotti Monster, which is one of the most complicated tube amps ever, with some issues and Pierangello told me there is no issue for repair or replacement those servo system/logic.

To amp itself, I don't think it will sound like original UL, but it is PB UL II not UL reissue. It will be hybrid design which take GPDI style preamp with 1W poweramp, loaded with PS-100 in rack format.

 

[DanTravis62]

I can fix tube amp to some degree and have qualified tech nearby but still my experience is none of those digital devices, mainly Fractal fail on me and this was my point. I have bad encoder on old FX Ultra but it was 20E fix and I know the guy who bought it and work flawlessly today.
Of course You can ask Fryette if they will have replacement parts on stock when purchase one... I had Masotti Monster, which is one of the most complicated tube amps ever, with some issues and Pierangello told me there is no issue for repair or replacement those servo system/logic.

To amp itself, I don't think it will sound like original UL, but it is PB UL II not UL reissue. It will be hybrid design which take GPDI style preamp with 1W poweramp, loaded with PS-100 in rack format.

I think most in the thread, like me, think the amp will sound quite good - maybe not as good as an actual UL, but close, like the synergy module and GPDI - but that isn't really the point anyone is making so far. The vast majority of fryette products sound good and I don't think this will be any different.

It's that for four thousand god damn dollars, he had damn well better be able to repair these and keep parts for them for decades, because people look at guitar amps not exactly as investments, but as tools that are supposed to retain their value, and that you can get most of your money out of them if you need to get out of them.

Tube amps are forever tools like this, that are easily maintained, people have that expectation of them. By definition, making this a hybrid makes this a disposable product with a relatively short life span if not designed obsolescence.

By making this a digital hybrid design, he's automatically making a large portion of his potential customer base not give a shit about this product - which i'm sure is really impressive for him to flex his engineering skills, but is a terrible business and marketing decision.