Fryette Pittbull Ultralead II

[VHTStark]

Yes this is exactly my wish. That it was a whole new line and we were still getting a Pittbull.

I know the Deliverance is different and more simple. But the new one actually is not that simple anymore. My point is the OG Pittbull doesn’t have so much complexity that it would be more than the UU/Herbert type amps. I don’t buy his justifications.

Agreed. Regardless of what transformers he would use or what a new UL was priced at 15 years ago or more, I don't see why it would/should be priced thousands more than an Ecstasy or VH4.

Either way....I do have fond memories of the OG Ultra lead. It was my first boutique amp and my go to for a long time.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

Agreed. Regardless of what transformers he would use or what a new UL was priced at 15 years ago or more, I don't see why it would/should be priced thousands more than an Ecstasy or VH4.

Either way....I do have fond memories of the OG Ultra lead. It was my first boutique amp and my go to for a long time.

Your name tells me you really mean it!

 

[ZEN Amps]

What I mean is he said that if they were to make an OG Pittbull the transformers would be too expensive. Why would they be more than the transformers in the Deliverance?

I don't know, this is just speculation. Maybe they're a custom wind that he can't get anymore and needs to commission a new company to do, maybe the power tranny is more complex, heavier, larger, more expensive. The PB is way more complex than a Deliverance, so additional materials, assembly and test time etc.

His claim of 6 or 7k may well be true - I don't think we can accuse him of an outright lie without knowing his business. Admittedly it does sound like a big jump.

 

[Code001]

What does that even mean? Are the transformers being used in his current Deliverance inferior then?

Don't believe I ever mentioned anything about being superior or inferior? Believe I just mentioned cost - in which the Deliverance transformer would be spec'd differently from the Ultra Lead. If it's a product that was no longer stocked, or they no longer had the ability to quickly ramp up production, I'm willing to bet the dev time would increase their cost compared to their original prices. But again, worth asking Fryette himself for clarification if you're truly curious.

 

[Kelly]

Interesting. He explains quite a bit in that video.

Like the VHX, the signal is digitised to allow for added flexibility - Steve mentions at 24:50 that the EQ is digital, not digitally-controlled analog as the blurb above kinda suggests (but doesn't overtly state). Seems like at 25:12 he's trying very hard to avoid saying digital EQ, and instead goes with formatted EQ.

Happy to be proven wrong, but I think this will turn some folks off - keeping things in the analog domain certainly appeals to many players if they're all about the tubes.

Looks like an interesting box though, and kudos to him and team for the innovation in a particular stagnant field.

He never said the signal is converted to digital, just that the controls are digital. EDIT: fryette forums confirm signal is converted to digital.

There is no reason the Pittbull should be more than an Uber Ultra or Herbert or any other amp in that category. In fact the Deliverance is one of the more reasonably priced amps here in Australia. I admired that Fryette make them to a more fair price point. Compared to these other PCB amps being sold as though they are hardwired by Larry himself.

Fryette does everything in southern California, the most expensive and least business friendly place in the USA for manufacturing.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

Ok. I appreciate all the responses. I will just reiterate I can’t imagine there is an anything about the Pittbull that is so much more expensive, difficult or labour intensive that the other products Fryette are manufacturing in California. But yeah, only they know the realities.

I’m just bitter and emotionally immature and wanted a Pittbull is all, so I’m lashing out. Going to go out to the pool house/bedroom now at my parents house and pull cones and cut myself a little bit to reset.

 

[Code001]

Ok. I appreciate all the responses. I will just reiterate I can’t imagine there is an anything about the Pittbull that is so much more expensive, difficult or labour intensive that the other products Fryette are manufacturing in California. But yeah, only they know the realities.

I’m just bitter and emotionally immature and wanted a Pittbull is all, so I’m lashing out. Going to go out to the pool house/bedroom now at my parents house and pull cones and cut myself a little bit to reset.

FWIW, I do think you have a valid question on asking why a reissue would cost so much, and why they didn't do a Series II like they did with the Deliverance. So I'm not trying to troll you or anything. I honestly think it's a question worth asking because the new Pittbull UL seems like an entirely different product for a different market segment. Looks like they're combining parts from different products into this one device and calling it the Pittbull UL, when it might have better been called a GPMax or something. Seems more GPDI than Pittbull UL

 

[Eazy-ESP]

FWIW, I do think you have a valid question on asking why a reissue would cost so much, and why they didn't do a Series II like they did with the Deliverance. So I'm not trying to troll you or anything. I honestly think it's a question worth asking because the new Pittbull UL seems like an entirely different product for a different market segment. Looks like they're combining parts from different products into this one device and calling it the Pittbull UL, when it might have better been called a GPMax or something. Seems more GPDI than Pittbull UL

 

[Smash]

If anything this got me more interested in maybe giving Synergy a go and getting a Pitbull module. Plus Boogies reissue prices make me thing a IICP could be cool, which Stevie made too. Is he too old to be Stevie now?

To me, the deliverance blew the pitbull module out of the water, and I feel like the ultra lead is a much better amp than the deliverance. What i noticed is synergy sounds great...as long as you don't a/b with a real amp

 

[Smash]

I think he should have just called this something else. Especially since people just wanted essentially a reissue.
I never thought I would say this, but Gibson (with the dual rec reissue) listens to its customers better than Fryette.

 

[Shask]

To me, the deliverance blew the pitbull module out of the water, and I feel like the ultra lead is a much better amp than the deliverance. What i noticed is synergy sounds great...as long as you don't a/b with a real amp

Why do you think the Deliverance module is better than the Ultra Lead module? I have read they overlap a lot.

 

[Smash]

Why do you think the Deliverance module is better than the Ultra Lead module? I have read they overlap a lot.

I don't. I am simply saying the ultra lead (amp) is a better amp than deliverance (amp). And the deliverance (amp) is better than the ultra lead (module).

My point is synergy is lacking compared to real amp imo

 

[SgtThump]

I don't. I am simply saying the ultra lead (amp) is a better amp than deliverance (amp). And the deliverance (amp) is better than the ultra lead (module).

My point is synergy is lacking compared to real amp imo

The OG Deliverance (amp) had a little bigger and more aggressive sound than the UL (amp) to me. Do you hear that too?

 

[stephen sawall]

I definitely prefer the Deliverance over the Ultra Lead. I prefer the Ultra Lead over any of the other Pittbull amps. For me it's about the voice.

 

[SgtThump]

I definitely prefer the Deliverance over the Ultra Lead. I prefer the Ultra Lead over any of the other Pittbull amps. For me it's about the voice.

I know you are a big fan of the Sig:x, but I just couldn’t get into it. Maybe I should try it again?

 

[Smash]

The OG Deliverance (amp) had a little bigger and more aggressive sound than the UL (amp) to me. Do you hear that too?

I have only played a new deliverance II and an OG ultra lead. But I heard that there was a big difference between the 60 and 100 watt versions of the original Deliverance. And the 60 i think was very agressive. I think they had chokes and the new ones were silicone diode

 

[SgtThump]

I have only played a new deliverance II and an OG ultra lead. But I heard that there was a big difference between the 60 and 100 watt versions of the original Deliverance. And the 60 i think was very agressive. I think they had chokes and the new ones were silicone diode

Gotcha! The effects loop probably makes a difference too. I haven’t tried the Deliverance II.

 

[Kelly]

Gotcha! The effects loop probably makes a difference too. I haven’t tried the Deliverance II.

I have an original D60. Installed the loop, didn't make a difference in tone. The old D60s had a different phase inverter design than the D120s. All of the newer Deliverance amps have the same phase inverter. The 50CL is the amp I wish they still made.

 

[DanTravis62]

EDIT: fryette forums confirm signal is converted to digital.

Fryette does everything in southern California, the most expensive and least business friendly place in the USA for manufacturing.

For the first part:

For the second part, yeah, I mean all these super far left guys have to enjoy the consequences of their own policies, and it wouldn't surprise me if just making it in California tacked on another 1500$ onto the final price.

 

[Kelly]

For the first part:

For the second part, yeah, I mean all these super far left guys have to enjoy the consequences of their own policies, and it wouldn't surprise me if just making it in California tacked on another 1500$ onto the final price.

Ya, I would guess an extra 25-40%. I believe Fryette outsources most of their chassis parts and things, which doesn't help. The Premier Guitar video was kinda painful to watch. Twenty minutes of rehashed Page Hamilton stories. Danzig and Slipknot probably sold more VHTs than Helmet ever did. Danzig sold out Madison Square Garden with the Misfits a few years ago, and Slipknot still does huge tours and festivals. Helmet had to cancel their 2024 tour due to low ticket sales at 200 person theaters.