supersonic
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Couldn't you face the amp accross the stage or even 180 deg?
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Man With Gas
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I fucking hate sound guys, they're all assholes.
It's a guitar band right? How the fuck is the band supposed to deliver guitar music if you can't hear it.
The only advice I can give is use either a 1x12 or 2x12 (with V30s in it maybe ) monitor wedge in front of you (like Petrucci) so your quad doesn't need to be as loud OR get a perspex screen and place it across the front of it. (like Bonamassa does)
It's a guitar band right? How the fuck is the band supposed to deliver guitar music if you can't hear it.
The only advice I can give is use either a 1x12 or 2x12 (with V30s in it maybe ) monitor wedge in front of you (like Petrucci) so your quad doesn't need to be as loud OR get a perspex screen and place it across the front of it. (like Bonamassa does)
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aftec
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Depending on the venue, you can barely open up a tube amp. The PDI is a good approach. If you are to do a lot of club gigs, I would recommend a set of personal IEM system for the band and flip of a finger to the sound guys.
university81
Active member
ouch =( sorry to hear that, have had my share of bad experiences at certain gigs, but when people don't show understanding and act like pricks (NO! to turning your guitar up on the monitor) that's just bs, you're relying on them for you to do a good job , maybe it sounded decent out front,
sometimes the best investment band wise/touring is your own sound guy
sometimes the best investment band wise/touring is your own sound guy
steve_k
New member
Yeah, that's too bad Reza. A douche bag, DJ sound guy can be the biggest obstacle for a band. Here's a couple hints though with the VH4, or like amps:
1. Keep an inch of extra volume on the volume pedal in reserve. Set yourself up a little louder than the guy will allow and back off the volume pedal. When the band starts, let him have it.
2. Jump your FX loop and use the FX loop as a second master. Set it up with about 12db in reserve. When the band starts and he thinks you are dialed in, kick the FX loop in on your MIDI.
3. OD pedal in the rack engaged when he isn't looking.
4. Monitor mix - this is a tough one and one I always fight with. We went all IEM's and put them in a separate rack with 2 - 8x2 splitters. One line to your monitor mixer and split line to the FOH snake. The soundman can totally fuck off then and you control your own IEM mix. He can pipe disco music through the monitors then.
1. Keep an inch of extra volume on the volume pedal in reserve. Set yourself up a little louder than the guy will allow and back off the volume pedal. When the band starts, let him have it.
2. Jump your FX loop and use the FX loop as a second master. Set it up with about 12db in reserve. When the band starts and he thinks you are dialed in, kick the FX loop in on your MIDI.
3. OD pedal in the rack engaged when he isn't looking.
4. Monitor mix - this is a tough one and one I always fight with. We went all IEM's and put them in a separate rack with 2 - 8x2 splitters. One line to your monitor mixer and split line to the FOH snake. The soundman can totally fuck off then and you control your own IEM mix. He can pipe disco music through the monitors then.
steve_k
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Rezamatix":1isrgmwk said:
At least the FOH sounded good.
Another thing you can do, short of IEM's, is buy your own personal monitor for your guitars. Get an active monitor, 500-700 watts, and use the Palmer off your Diezel to send a DI to it. Place it next to the shit stage monitors up front, or as a side wash monitor where you can move around and hear yourself.
midnightlaundry
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You're holding on to tight mang. Nobody gives a fuck unless you're bringing in the money.
Greg Riley
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It drives me nuts, when I can't hear myself. Screw that douche bag.. I would of punched him for saying no 
I just keep turning up till I do. Your dynamics is completely outta whack when you can't hear. My friend used his Palmer tonight. Our sound guy was completely happy with that. He was the soundman for "Messenger" in the 80's..so he's a real pro. No wanna be. I miked up, I got my level straight about the 5th song. We had 2 opening bands. We let the both bands play thru our gear. My BE-100 and Shanes Soldano Avenger 50 watt FJA mod. Derek used his modded Marshall instead of my BE-100 in the second act (Handed Seven). He used the Palmer's line out. He kept his rig up while we played, and got up and played with us on a few. Derek (Mitts) is Greg Martin's (Kentucky Head Hunters) guitar tech. The first band was 2 members of Black Stone Cherry doing a side project (Ben an John) Barren River Troubadors. I wouldn't sell a thing, and let it get you down. I'm always reseting my level after we get started. If he was a good soundman, he would of sought a solution by turning you up in the mix or redirecting a monitor for you. I have never tried in ear monitors myself, but I'm curious sometimes. You are to good of a player, to not play Reza. Oh yeah, maybe a line level off the rig with a Matrix poweramp into your 1x12 angled at you. You could also do like Derek did..force (he didn't have to) a soundman like that to take a line off the Palmer and mike you cab 
I just keep turning up till I do. Your dynamics is completely outta whack when you can't hear. My friend used his Palmer tonight. Our sound guy was completely happy with that. He was the soundman for "Messenger" in the 80's..so he's a real pro. No wanna be. I miked up, I got my level straight about the 5th song. We had 2 opening bands. We let the both bands play thru our gear. My BE-100 and Shanes Soldano Avenger 50 watt FJA mod. Derek used his modded Marshall instead of my BE-100 in the second act (Handed Seven). He used the Palmer's line out. He kept his rig up while we played, and got up and played with us on a few. Derek (Mitts) is Greg Martin's (Kentucky Head Hunters) guitar tech. The first band was 2 members of Black Stone Cherry doing a side project (Ben an John) Barren River Troubadors. I wouldn't sell a thing, and let it get you down. I'm always reseting my level after we get started. If he was a good soundman, he would of sought a solution by turning you up in the mix or redirecting a monitor for you. I have never tried in ear monitors myself, but I'm curious sometimes. You are to good of a player, to not play Reza. Oh yeah, maybe a line level off the rig with a Matrix poweramp into your 1x12 angled at you. You could also do like Derek did..force (he didn't have to) a soundman like that to take a line off the Palmer and mike you cab
Greg Riley
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Then you turn it up to 11 
It's not like you wanna use that guy again
It's not like you wanna use that guy again
midnightlaundry":2ws426ya said:
Greg Riley
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steve_k":tlmvsewf said:
Greg Riley
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steve_k":3c6ftew2 said:
Greg Riley
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Stevie D of Buckcherry..turns his cab's backwards. Greg Martin of The Kentucky Headhunters turns his sideways..they just play that loud
guitarmike
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steve_k":rxkwlf74 said:
Along with Steve's idea you could do what I do:
I have a Shure PSM200. It has 2 channels. I bring a mic/stand just for myself, run it through the right side of the Shure, run the monitor mix through the left. Now I can control how much guitar I hear. If the monitor mix on the other channel sucks you can run one earbud in, one out. This has saved me more than once.
If you had a good FOH mix the sound guy did a decent job. Many times sound guys do not have the time/skills to dial in monitors or FOH. I'll give up monitors any day if I get a good foh mix.
Regarding you VH4, I do not know anything about it but if it has to be turned up quite a bit to get your sound you will fight the sound guy at every gig you play. You need to be able to get your sound at low levels, you need to work on that.
I am glad the gig ended up being decent.
Greg Riley
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That sounds like a great idea to
guitarmike":2wbvvb7k said:
jlbaxe
Banned
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I haven't played on a stage in ages so my input isn't worth crap but
What about a Palmer 03,04,or Torpedo Live with a xlr to FOH and one to an active monitor in front of you. Keep your 412 on stage as a dummy cab or run your Palmer or Torpedo live into a Matrix (or power amp of your choice) into your 412 with a plexi screen. This way you can have your amp on the volume that feels best for you to have your feel response and hear it through the monitor.
Just an idea Im so far removed from the scene, don't shoot me 
What about a Palmer 03,04,or Torpedo Live with a xlr to FOH and one to an active monitor in front of you. Keep your 412 on stage as a dummy cab or run your Palmer or Torpedo live into a Matrix (or power amp of your choice) into your 412 with a plexi screen. This way you can have your amp on the volume that feels best for you to have your feel response and hear it through the monitor.
Just an idea Im so far removed from the scene, don't shoot me
steve_k
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More often than not, the soundman in a club is basically fucking DJ. He's someone's brother or cousin that works at the bar and knows how to control a few sliders on the mixer. Rarely, at a house gig do you find the soundman that knows jack shit about a monitor mix.
glassjaw7
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Wow....guy sounds like a total d-bag! Sorry man. I've been there a couple times myself, and it blows.
When my buddy and I used to do sound at a rock club, he would do FOH and I'd help with stage/monitors.(unless the band brings their own guy/s) It's a job in itself, that's for sure! Our soundguy now runs both for us, or sometimes we'll keep a small PA on stage and set them up ourselves depending on where we play. I don't miss the days of using the venues' soundguys. Even if we play somewhere that has one, we just tell em we've got our own guy.
Guy sounded like an amateur. They learn one way to do something and then can't adapt when a good band brings in their own gear or sound. Steve K nailed it above.
When my buddy and I used to do sound at a rock club, he would do FOH and I'd help with stage/monitors.(unless the band brings their own guy/s) It's a job in itself, that's for sure! Our soundguy now runs both for us, or sometimes we'll keep a small PA on stage and set them up ourselves depending on where we play. I don't miss the days of using the venues' soundguys. Even if we play somewhere that has one, we just tell em we've got our own guy.
Guy sounded like an amateur. They learn one way to do something and then can't adapt when a good band brings in their own gear or sound. Steve K nailed it above.
hellaboogie
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gotta grease the sound guy
SFW
Well-known member
Hang in there. Most sound guys are duchebags. You have to make the best of what usually is not an ideal situation. Playing live is a bit of a double edge sword.
mchn13
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SFW":20ok7l4q said:
+1000. My old roomate is a soundguy here at our local venue, and even tho were friends, he's still a cunt. Its like theres an unwritten law amongst soundguys that they are the natural enemies of guitarists lol. I just tell him to suck it and not mic me if he doesnt like it tho.
You DO need to hear yourself tho, and its always a balance thing, cause you want the singer to be heard; so i do try to keep it to a reasonable level, but still hear myself.
Fucking soundguys.
