Half- vs Full-Stack

[reignman454]

4x12's exist because they look cool.... Needing a huge wall of sound died in the 80's at the latest. The sad fact is people mic 1-2 speakers of whatever they are using and get better tone through the PA... a Full stack is a look, nothing that isn't achievable in a single 4x12 imho.

 

[Solarflares]

Sure, you can gig with this.

But if you want the hot girls, fame, and fortune - you better be packin’ some serious shit man.

 

[Deleted member 101920]

No thread about amp stacks is complete without a picture of this behemoth.

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[311boogieman]

The answer depends on what you are doing, where you are playing, how you are getting there, what you are playing, etc. etc.

I like @Simon Dorn a lot but I have a feeling he is trolling us

Once I played a Micro Cube through a PA...... Everyone thought it was my Princeton Reverb with a 12.


Now not a 412 but yeah..... PA systems are fantastic and no need for full stacks nowadays aside from t subtle tonal aspects.

What was the name of the venue?

But like I said, it depends. And no, I don't gig - I'm just applying common sense. Unless it is all for show of course

 

[The~Kid]

The answer depends on what you doing, where you are playing, how you are getting there, what you are playing, etc. etc.

I like @Simon Dorn a lot but I have a feeling he is trolling us




What was the name of the venue?

But like I said, it depends. And no, I don't gig - I'm just applying common sense. Unless it is all for show of course

It wasn't a huge place it was just a coffee shop all the music majors in college went to play at on Tuesdays.


Like a dumbass I took my Princeton Reverb down there and everyone liked it and the Charvel too. No one had really seen a guitar like that before amongst the crowd and the amp and pedals sounded sick. Got a lot of hand clamps and compliments. It was after the Pandemic too.


Lots of dudes wanted to know what guitar and amp I was using. When I went a third time I got the same compliments and one guy said no wonder I sound so good with a great amp like the Princeton Reverb. Funny thing that time around I just brought the Micro Cube and hooked it up to the mic on the PA and he and everyone thought I was using the more expensive tube amp.


That's when I kind of learned hey, you don't need expensive gear to sound like a million bucks and it really is all in the fingers. Well the FATRAT and SD1W and 6 Band EQ at end of the chain helped but yeah...... The Micro Cube really stood its ground.


It was this place in Downtown Fullerton called the Night Owl. Really meant a lot to get those compliments too because they were all Jazz dudes and Music Majors and I was just a Business Major. One guy liked the amp so much he even bought a Princeton Reverb as he had a Deluxe Reverb.

 

[The~Kid]

This is shortly after I got my Princeton Reverb Bordeaux right before the Pandemic and Shutdowns happened...... Came back after a year and half or whatever to play again but yeah.... It didn't sound half bad and that was just straight into the amp. I was using a newer at the time Classic Series 60s in LPB with Pau Ferro fingerboard stock I had gotten the year before.

One of my friends was like "wow Daniel that sounds like a scene from a movie or something where's it from"? It wasn't from anything and just drawn from inspiration from Hank Marvin.

At the Night Owl in Downtown Fullerton *_*

 

[Solarflares]

This is shortly after I got my Princeton Reverb Bordeaux right before the Pandemic and Shutdowns happened...... Came back after a year and half or whatever to play again but yeah.... It didn't sound half bad and that was just straight into the amp. I was using a newer at the time Classic Series 60s in LPB with Pau Ferro fingerboard stock I had gotten the year before.

One of my friends was like "wow Daniel that sounds like a scene from movie or something where's it from"? It wasn't from anything and just drawn from inspiration from Hank Marvin.

At the Night Owl in Downtown Fullerton *_*

See ya Kid.

 

[The~Kid]

Bobby was there too...... That night in the video above in the crowd.


Bobby was a real dude and he even had a vintage Fender Bass from 73..... He was like 70+ years old. He had to sell it unfortunately but later he went down to GC and the guys at GC in Brea hooked him up with a stupid deal on a new Classic Series Bass before he died and before the Pandemic/Shutdowns and I helped him get a Micro Cube for his bass too the 4X8 version. I think they gave him a Friends and Family discount. He said he couldn't afford it but he needed another and the guys at GC said he was so damn good it would be a sin that he didn't walk away with the guitar with the best discount they could give him.

Say what you will about GC but those guys in Brea did good by him and I'll never forget that they did that for him.


He was just the best and Bobby wouldn't play with any of the younger guys not even the music majors. He only played with me. It sucks he died during the Pandemic and it was the last time I saw him but man he was so damn happy and glad to hear the amp and he really was impressed by the Princeton Reverb with 112. He just had this big smile and loved the tone and what I played.


Bobby also won a GC Battle of the Bands back in the day judged by BB King. BB King voted for Bobby's band because he wanted to play with him and he did after he was announced winner...... That's why BB King voted for him to win the Battle of the Bands to simply play with Bobby and have a good time. That's how special Bobby was.

One of the things I regret not doing is simply calling Bobby or going out to look for him in Fullerton..... It's hard to explain but Fullerton is such a small town in a sense where everyone kind of knows each other. When I came back to play I found out Bobby passed away and well it was fun and all but it just wasn't the same. I was looking forward to jamming with him. He really was amazing, you could play anything and I mean anything and Bobby would lay it down and just make it sound better like magic.


Guys like that..... Yeah guys like that are one in a billion and a real 1 of 1. RIP Bobby.

 

[SonVolt]

I was always too scared a full stack would tip over.

 

[The~Kid]

See ya Kid.

Thanks man, hope all is well and catch you on the flipside *_*

 

[Simon Dorn]

Nick still rocks a Mesa full stack. miT has a couple of 4x12's side by side.

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For some reason Mesas are Half-Stack-City for me.

 

[Simon Dorn]

2 full stacks in stereo are better than two halfstacks in stereo…. Just saying lol

Wet/Dry/Wet with 3 Fullstacks,

 

[Simon Dorn]

reisimbsve

? I think i agree. At least to the other stuff you mentioned.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Stereo sucks
Run them mono

Dual-Mono

 

[Simon Dorn]

In what universe? The only way a half stack could sound bigger than a full is if the two cabs in the full stack were out of phase.

In the Universe of Trevor Peres. And in mine too, i guess. The Masters of the Half-Stack-Universe-Universe. But i still thought about getting a Full-Stack again recently.

 

[Simon Dorn]

There's more speaker clipping with fewer speakers. In some settings speaker distortion can be musical, and since it's harmonic distortion even "big/loud" sounding.

My Speakers in my 4x12 are rated 100 Watts each.

 

[Simon Dorn]

I only use 2 4x12 cabs with my 1959HW because each speaker is rated at 25W, and I play it loud because that's what it's designed to do. These are the speakers it's supposed to use. I have different settings for my Fender Strat, my Gibson LP with DiMarzio Super Distortion in the bridge and Super 2 in the neck; my Ibanez PS10 with Duncan '59 in the neck and Custom 5 in the bridge, or my Chibanez with a set of DiMarzio D Activator-X

For Marshalls, I like the power amp to be a big part of the sound. I have a straight 4x12 cab capable of handling 240W for my other Marshalls and Bogner Helios Eclipse.

I use a pair of Engl E212VHB Pro cabs with my Engl Artist Edition E651.

I use a pair of Mesa 2x12 compact cabs with my JP-2C or my Diezel VHX.

How would you describe the general difference Half- vs Fullstack?

 

[Simon Dorn]

Boo!

Buy a Mimiq.

That's the new Sonic-Maximizer-Thing, isn't it?

 

[Simon Dorn]

The answer depends on what you are doing, where you are playing, how you are getting there, what you are playing, etc. etc.

I like @Simon Dorn a lot but I have a feeling he is trolling us




What was the name of the venue?

But like I said, it depends. And no, I don't gig - I'm just applying common sense. Unless it is all for show of course

No, i'm actually dumb enough to try the same thing several times. I count five 4x12 in my clip here. There may have been more in the Basement. Can't remember.

 

[Techdeth]

Dual-Mono

That’s me . Sometimes triple for fun