Hell froze over....

[cliffc8488]

Time-based effects have a Tempo parameter. Setting this to none ignores the current tempo. Setting it to a note value, i.e. 1/4, 1/8, etc., causes the effect to use the current tempo as a basis for the time or rate.

For example in the delay block, if you set the Tempo to 1/4 the delay time would then be a quarter note at the current tempo. Tapping a new tempo would change the time accordingly.

You assign Tap Tempo in the I/O->CTRL menu. To assign it to a pedal, set it to the desired pedal, i.e. Pedal 2.

 

[mentoneman]

hijack away my man-
you are the resident metal axecat and the perfect one to ask about zack tones. and even though i don't gravitate to hi gain as my practical live sound i really enjoy what you do with it. good tone is good tone period.

now if you could only embrace the srv/ej/landau/hendrix clean and dirty realms with the axe......

Pat, I wish Lincoln would update his site with his Axe presets already. It's in there brotha, I have heard it a few weeks in a row now. It's one of the tones I am looking forward to if I can ever scrape up enough duckets to get one.

Friday night he did an acoustic set, with a gorgeous Anderson quilt top acoustic, thru the Axe and it sounded EXCELLENT.

brotato chips,

i'm feeling pretty good about my first two patches...fender clean and fender gritty. maybe i should post clips of week one and see how far i evolve

 

[mentoneman]

A 1x12 cannot be neutral, ever, it's a physics issue. And on top of it it's open-back, which will give you open-back tones even if you dial it for the brewtals .

I'm sure it will sound fantastic thru the eggie, but the overall tone will always have the eggie flavour, no matter how you dial the axefx. I don't think it's gonna sound that well in front of the champ.

I recommend you to try to borrow a good solid-state poweramp with tons of headroom and plug it into your favorite cabinet. If you hook up everything correctly and set up the axe right, I think you're gonna be surprised. Great tube tone and feel without a single tube.

In the end, an axe rig is only gonna sound as the weakest link in the chain, and for the axefx, the less tube character and coloring the stronger the link is.

at the current rate, i'll have 2 patches worked out per week, and i figure within a couple of months i will have a solid handle on more advanced tasks like real time midi cc over parameters.

i forgot to ask...can i use my ernie ball mono volume pedal for expression straight in to the axe control port?

i am able to use it for cc through my dmc ground control expression jacks, but it might be easier straight in to the axe?

 

[mentoneman]

Time-based effects have a Tempo parameter. Setting this to none ignores the current tempo. Setting it to a note value, i.e. 1/4, 1/8, etc., causes the effect to use the current tempo as a basis for the time or rate.

For example in the delay block, if you set the Tempo to 1/4 the delay time would then be a quarter note at the current tempo. Tapping a new tempo would change the time accordingly.

You assign Tap Tempo in the I/O->CTRL menu. To assign it to a pedal, set it to the desired pedal, i.e. Pedal 2.

cool.
Q: your favorite live rig accesories, and top three amps in the axe?

 

[Anonymous]

i'm feeling pretty good about my first two patches...fender clean and fender gritty. maybe i should post clips of week one and see how far i evolve

I would like to try your Fender clean patch, good sir. Export it and bring it to me...

Seriously though... I would like to compare it to the glorious cleans I'm getting from my Fender Princeton Reverb clone with the Keeley 4 knob compressor patched in!

Steve

 

[mentoneman]

i'm feeling pretty good about my first two patches...fender clean and fender gritty. maybe i should post clips of week one and see how far i evolve

I would like to try your Fender clean patch, good sir. Export it and bring it to me...

Seriously though... I would like to compare it to the glorious cleans I'm getting from my Fender Princeton Reverb clone with the Keeley 4 knob compressor patched in!

Steve

well like i mentioned early on in this thread, the percussion and rebound of what you describe with a rig like that is so very intimately tied to tubes and speakers and tactile response, that i'm not expecting THAT to happen from the axe, but the final sound of what is entering my ears is nice and tasty, and there is enough light touch response to make it enjoyable.

 

[mentoneman]

i went to the next level:
http://gallery.me.com/mentoneman#100016 ... et%20eggie

and it sounds ridiculously big...this could actually be my new live rig.

in the axefx i dropped an effects loop block in series with one of my pre-existing clean tone presets, after the amp model, and before the cab sim (so i'm not sending a cab sim to the eggie head) and time based effects :

gtr->axe input->axe mono send to eggie input->eggie speaker out to dry 1x12 EX cab->eggie SLAVE out to axe loop return (thank you bruce egnater for that slave output you thoughtful guru you!) where it hits the cab sim, chorus/delay/reverb to the stereo balanced main output 1 to the studio monitors.

all the post eggie effects are set full wet mix, and i can use the output 1 knob on the face of the axe to control my wet cabs volume.....HUGE SOUNDING

i also started working a dumble patch for the w/d/w setup, and using eggie channel 2 it is a TAG KILLER (sorry tag i had to)

(ps-the space echo is just there to balance the axe on the eggie although it looks cool too!)

in fact that would be great thing...have the classic vintage cosmetics like a tweed shell with wicker cane grill, or space echo colors and controls for the axe

i still want to integrate the timeline delay into the mix for an on the fly tube delay color but as it stands, this little rig is killing me.

 

[Gainfreak]

i went to the next level:
http://gallery.me.com/mentoneman#100016 ... et%20eggie

and it sounds ridiculously big...this could actually be my new live rig.

in the axefx i dropped an effects loop block in series with one of my pre-existing clean tone presets, after the amp model, and before the cab sim (so i'm not sending a cab sim to the eggie head) and time based effects :

gtr->axe input->axe mono send to eggie input->eggie speaker out to dry 1x12 EX cab->eggie SLAVE out to axe loop return (thank you bruce egnater for that slave output you thoughtful guru you!) where it hits the cab sim, chorus/delay/reverb to the stereo balanced main output 1 to the studio monitors.

all the post eggie effects are set full wet mix, and i can use the output 1 knob on the face of the axe to control my wet cabs volume.....HUGE SOUNDING

i also started working a dumble patch for the w/d/w setup, and using eggie channel 2 it is a TAG KILLER (sorry tag i had to)

(ps-the space echo is just there to balance the axe on the eggie although it looks cool too!)

in fact that would be great thing...have the classic vintage cosmetics like a tweed shell with wicker cane grill, or space echo colors and controls for the axe

i still want to integrate the timeline delay into the mix for an on the fly tube delay color but as it stands, this little rig is killing me.

 

[mentoneman]

oh yeah,

when i first hooked up the eggie with the axe i got the ground hum noise you always get running into two seperate amps---it's not something unique to the axe/4cable method--- so i pulled out my trusty CAE isolation transformer bob bradshaw made for me well over a decade ago, dropped it in line between axe mono send and eggie input jack and bingo!

bye bye hum. hello TONE.
CAE iso

i also have the digital music cabtone box which will also lift ground properly, as will most decent direct boxes:
DMC cabtone

good to have these tools in your arsenals boys...i've used them many many times over the years in my rig as well as friends and "civilian" players alike.

 

[tweed]

brotato chips,

i'm feeling pretty good about my first two patches...fender clean and fender gritty. maybe i should post clips of week one and see how far i evolve

Do eet!

 

[mentoneman]

brotato chips,

i'm feeling pretty good about my first two patches...fender clean and fender gritty. maybe i should post clips of week one and see how far i evolve

Do eet!

i realized that the xlr cables i'm using to feed the wet monitors mean i have no mic cables to record with at home now.

doh!


but i have some neutrik xlr ends and work and a ton of belden audio wire so i'll just build a few new cables for the task.

 

[Rogue]

but i have some neutrik xlr ends and work and a ton of belden audio wire so i'll just build a few new cables for the task.

Well stop talking about it and do it. Clips!!!

It seems you are excited about it the way you have it set up. Do you think there will be a day that you go FRFR. It seems that more than a handful of people ended up doing that.

 

[mentoneman]

but i have some neutrik xlr ends and work and a ton of belden audio wire so i'll just build a few new cables for the task.

Well stop talking about it and do it. Clips!!!

It seems you are excited about it the way you have it set up. Do you think there will be a day that you go FRFR. It seems that more than a handful of people ended up doing that.

too soon to tell.
but the fidelity of the effects running balanced into FR speakers is extremely high fidelity.

I did something similar with my gforce a few months back.

Instead of my normal stereo gtr rig,
I ran a trs balanced 1/4" out from one side of the gforce (which outputs balanced or unbalanced signals from the output jacks)
into my monitor's xlr input jack and although the result was extremely bright,
the ability to hear the additional resolution and headroom of the balanced out into the FR speaker was amazing.

Point being
i can get high resolution effects running balanced outs from my gforce to fr speakers in a wdw rig similar to this eggie/axe rig,
but the axe already tuned for FR and sounds better overall.

 

[ejecta]

How's it going with the Axe Pat?

 

[mentoneman]

How's it going with the Axe Pat?

love hate at the moment

took it to the stage sun night and was bummed

none of the rather sweet patches I created at home translated accurately to the stage.

Stiff, dry, skinny, boomy, fizzy...I'm talking just shy of a nightmare.

to the credit of the axefx, I did program stereo patches at home and had to go mono on stage. at first I had the soundman take stereo out from the axe and try to merge the feeds into my monitor by lowering one side and knocking it out of phase but it was harsh so I had him kill one side in my monitor.
Better but still lame.

The thing that really stunk was the hiss that my patches had.
I really don't understand that one because at home with full range speakers it was very quiet. That one confused me because the stage monitors actually have more attenuated highs so it should be even quieter, but it was bad.

So then I ended up rewriting the presets during the soundcheck to compensate for the negative attributes and get on with it, but the night went from high expectations with these carefully crafted perfect tone to survival mode with barely passable tones.

I know I'm a axe noobie but I've also got a good bit of overall live sound and guitar rig experience and I'm not accustomed to being that far off the mark from home to stage translation. It's not comforting to not trust what you hear.

Hopefully I'll have better news after using it next weekend.

 

[Sixstring]

How's it going with the Axe Pat?

love hate at the moment

took it to the stage sun night and was bummed

none of the rather sweet patches I created at home translated accurately to the stage.

Stiff, dry, skinny, boomy, fizzy...I'm talking just shy of a nightmare.

to the credit of the axefx, I did program stereo patches at home and had to go mono on stage. at first I had the soundman take stereo out from the axe and try to merge the feeds into my monitor by lowering one side and knocking it out of phase but it was harsh so I had him kill one side in my monitor.
Better but still lame.

The thing that really stunk was the hiss that my patches had.
I really don't understand that one because at home with full range speakers it was very quiet. That one confused me because the stage monitors actually have more attenuated highs so it should be even quieter, but it was bad.

So then I ended up rewriting the presets during the soundcheck to compensate for the negative attributes and get on with it, but the night went from high expectations with these carefully crafted perfect tone to survival mode with barely passable tones.

I know I'm a axe noobie but I've also got a good bit of overall live sound and guitar rig experience and I'm not accustomed to being that far off the mark from home to stage translation. It's not comforting to not trust what you hear.

Hopefully I'll have better news after using it next weekend.

Hey Pat,
Did you have the sound man take out the EQ? I run my Axe in church and I found my self having to tune presets in their through the FOH system for the best results. Also the Redwire IR's will help out immensely, well worth the $60 the stock IR's arn't that great. Also I am waiting on an Atomic should be here next monday if you up for giving it a whirl if you haven't already.

Chris

 

[mentoneman]

Hey Pat,
Did you have the sound man take out the EQ? I run my Axe in church and I found my self having to tune presets in their through the FOH system for the best results. Also the Redwire IR's will help out immensely, well worth the $60 the stock IR's arn't that great. Also I am waiting on an Atomic should be here next monday if you up for giving it a whirl if you haven't already.

Chris

I appreciate it brother and we will hang because I'd like your input and check the atomic but I'm travelling next week and will be out till the 15th. And for the past two weeks my house has been swine flu central!

so while I'm gone that will give you a chance to iron out the kinks with the atomic!
I played the new ones in stereo at tone merchants the Monday after the amp show when rob got them so he was new to them and I didn't have a clue about axe let alone the cabs....

ps what church you go to?

 

[stratotone]

Hey Pat,

I've used three different setups with the axe:

QSCHPR122i
A VHT 2/90/2 in stereo in a Marshall V30 4x12 and mono in a Bogner 4x12 slant
Direct into the PA and used a crappy floor monitor to hear myself.

Best FOH I had was when I used the floor monitor. What I had there was what was going out to the front - I used my wireless to wander around and forced our drummer to hit different presets - and it sounded awesome.

QSC sounds almost as good, but it's more junk to carry to a gig.

VHT absolutely KILLS when I listen to it through a 4x12 or two right off the cab but what sounds awesome dialled in for that sounds not as good through the FOH. Makes me want to create an IR of my cab to see fi I can get em to match better, because I love having a halfstack flapping my pants onstage.

Contrast this with my current favorite 'real' amp - bogner 101B half stack, that is amazing onstage but out front just doesn't sound as good once it hits the mic and gets PAified.

Pete

 

[mentoneman]

Hey Pat,

I've used three different setups with the axe:

QSCHPR122i
A VHT 2/90/2 in stereo in a Marshall V30 4x12 and mono in a Bogner 4x12 slant
Direct into the PA and used a crappy floor monitor to hear myself.

Best FOH I had was when I used the floor monitor. What I had there was what was going out to the front - I used my wireless to wander around and forced our drummer to hit different presets - and it sounded awesome.

QSC sounds almost as good, but it's more junk to carry to a gig.

VHT absolutely KILLS when I listen to it through a 4x12 or two right off the cab but what sounds awesome dialled in for that sounds not as good through the FOH. Makes me want to create an IR of my cab to see fi I can get em to match better, because I love having a halfstack flapping my pants onstage.

Contrast this with my current favorite 'real' amp - bogner 101B half stack, that is amazing onstage but out front just doesn't sound as good once it hits the mic and gets PAified.

Pete

I'm witcha on the benefit of what my monitor hears is what the house hears and I love the theory of that...no more wondering what the soundman is doing to me

but I need to work in the enjoyment/inspirational/tactile thing into the equation way better than what I had.
My coyote half stack rig still crushed all my other rigs in that respect.

 

[stratotone]

but I need to work in the enjoyment/inspirational/tactile thing into the equation way better than what I had.
My coyote half stack rig still crushed all my other rigs in that respect.

Last few gigs I've played I've done the bogner and a 4x12 because I wanted the pleasure of playing it more than to get the tone out to the audience. Selfish of me, but in bars people are wanting to hook up, they don't care if I'm playing a bogner, fractal, or gorilla.

I love the axefx, but it's more like having a fast modern car with power everything, soft springs and an automatic transmission vs driving a 60s or 70s muscle car with a manual transmission, stiff clutch, loping exhaust and suspension that is so taut that you can feel it when you drive over a dime. The newer car is as fast or faster than the old one, but the old one is just more fun to drive. You are more involved in it.

Pete