Thumbpicker
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Guillotines weren't invented in Biblical times mate. That's why in Roman times they struggled to get ahead (that last bit is a pun).
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Floyd Eye
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Guillotine was the name of the very first band I started.
311boogieman
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I get it. You live yours, and I'll live mine. I have a lot of respect for your convictions and I get why you feel the way you feel. That said. A polyp is a polyp and they can easily turn cancerous. I've chosen to eradicate that shit where ever possible. I lost a good friend to it. I want to some day enjoy my kids kids and maybe their kids. If they decide not to have kids, which I would understand - that's fine too. Maybe I'll go to the Moon or Mars instead
PS: My GI doc told me I don't have to come back for another 5 years. She got 8 of those fuckers 3 years ago and 2 this past trip.
Bad Brain
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FWIW I was just reading that the polyps aren’t really the problem and rarely turn cancerous but rather the lesions, which they can’t address. Maybe this is right and maybe not. I’m all for staying on top of one’s health, but modern medicine (Apart from emergency medicine), is not as advanced as many like to think and may cause more harm than help.I get it. You live yours, and I'll live mine. I have a lot of respect for your convictions and I get why you feel the way you feel. That said. A polyp is a polyp and they can easily turn cancerous. I've chosen to eradicate that shit where ever possible. I lost a good friend to it. I want to some day enjoy my kids kids and maybe their kids. If they decide not to have kids, which I would understand - that's fine too. Maybe I'll go to the Moon or Mars instead
PS: My GI doc told me I don't have to come back for another 5 years. She got 8 of those fuckers 3 years ago and 2 this past trip.
Dan Gleesak
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There are some people looking to do more cancer research in space. The lack of gravity stresses cells and “speeds up” the process, which also means that potential cures and treatments can also be tested in a sped up fashionI get it. You live yours, and I'll live mine. I have a lot of respect for your convictions and I get why you feel the way you feel. That said. A polyp is a polyp and they can easily turn cancerous. I've chosen to eradicate that shit where ever possible. I lost a good friend to it. I want to some day enjoy my kids kids and maybe their kids. If they decide not to have kids, which I would understand - that's fine too. Maybe I'll go to the Moon or Mars instead
PS: My GI doc told me I don't have to come back for another 5 years. She got 8 of those fuckers 3 years ago and 2 this past trip.
311boogieman
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I can't disagree that modern medicine may not be as advanced as we think and/or could potentially cause more harm then good. There are tons of people that feel that way. A scope is a scope. Outside of the fact that it has a lens, I don't see any reason to disregard it. A scope is going to find polyps or dysplasia. Decide from there. If God wants you (read VonBon etc) now and has decided for you to die from colorectal cancer then let it go and don't snip it out
(Don't read that as me being snippy (no pun) or trying to play doctor online - I'm frankly very new to all of this)
For now, I have no reason to distrust the Mayo Clinic, or any number of other sources:
Colorectal Cancer Causes
Nearly all colon and rectal cancers begin as a polyp, a growth on the inner surface of your colon. Polyps themselves usually aren’t cancer.
The most common types of polyps in your colon and rectum include:
Hyperplastic and inflammatory polyps. These usually don’t carry a chance of cancer. But large hyperplastic polyps, especially on the right side of your colon, can be a problem. Your doctor will want to remove them.
Adenomas or adenomatous polyps. These are precancerous. If you leave them alone, they could turn into colon cancer.
Short abstract
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3504051/
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Bad Brain
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I'm not saying you should necessarily distrust them, and I'm not a doctor either. But as with any significant matter, I think it's good to be aware of "Both sides of the argument" — at least to the extent that there is one. The reason why I default to skepticism with respect to modern medicine is because it is obvious to me that it is warped by corporate and political interests. With colonoscopies, there is evidence that they do not reduce death from colon cancer, and there are risks associated with the procedure itself (Not to mention being unpleasant).I can't disagree that modern medicine may not be as advanced as we think and/or could potentially cause more harm then good. There are tons of people that feel that way. A scope is a scope. Outside of the fact that it has a lens, I don't see any reason to disregard it. A scope is going to find polyps or dysplasia. Decide from there. If God wants you (read VonBon etc) now and has decided for you to die from colorectal cancer then let it go and don't snip it out
(Don't read that as me being snippy or trying to play doctor online - I'm frankly very new to all of this)
For now, I have no reason to distrust the Mayo Clinic, or any number of other sources:
Colorectal Cancer Causes
Nearly all colon and rectal cancers begin as a polyp, a growth on the inner surface of your colon. Polyps themselves usually aren’t cancer.
The most common types of polyps in your colon and rectum include:
Hyperplastic and inflammatory polyps. These usually don’t carry a chance of cancer. But large hyperplastic polyps, especially on the right side of your colon, can be a problem. Your doctor will want to remove them.
Adenomas or adenomatous polyps. These are precancerous. If you leave them alone, they could turn into colon cancer.
Short abstract
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3504051/
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311boogieman
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That's fair. Yes there are 2 sides to everything. It may be possible however that the evidence does not support the hypothesis that colonoscopies reduce death because the push to get them done is a fairly new one
I participate in a ATV charity ride annually to raise the importance of colon cancer awareness. It is a non profit started after the death of my friend. I'm confident that if he had had polyps removed at a younger age he would still be alive. They do things year 'round to raise money.
But to your point, I went to a GI doc maybe 8 years ago and he said that I probably have Celiac disease and that I should get a colonoscopy to be sure so I did. I never trusted him or my original general doctor so I fired them and started over again. My new GI told me that they don't do colonoscopies for Celiac but endoscopy instead. So we did that too and I checked out OK. But with my autoimmune disease (celiac) I have to be especially careful with my health so I do what I can.
The procedure itself is not unpleasant (as you are knocked out) but the fasting, time spent, and general thought of probes in my ass is not a pleasant one.
Monkey Man
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... and a "sped-up fashion" should come in handy seeing as they've been at it for 70 years (since the mid '50s IIRC). Remember Brother Dan, something's "always around the corner" in that world. Always 5 for 10 years away.
You'd think that after all that time, the trillions spent, the trillions earned and received from patients, donations and charity drives, they'd have been all over all cancers a long time ago, unless...
Apart from the glaringly-obvious financial incentives to "fail" in that the focus has been on developing "treatments", not cures (as with most diseases, for the purpose of milking the patient), it's bad science. There's something I've said on the board a few times over the years:
You can bark as long and hard as you like up the wrong tree and it'll get you nowhere as long as it's the wrong tree.
Not exactly poetic, I know.
JackBootedThug
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I had stage four thyroid cancer and didn’t even know. They found it when I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. I have faith in the Lord but I will still go to the doctor…some…lol to be honest folks I’m getting doctored out….
Dan Gleesak
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... and a "sped-up fashion" should come in handy seeing as they've been at it for 70 years (since the mid '50s IIRC). Remember Brother Dan, something's "always around the corner" in that world. Always 5 for 10 years away.
You'd think that after all that time, the trillions spent, the trillions earned and received from patients, donations and charity drives, they'd have been all over all cancers a long time ago, unless...
Apart from the glaringly-obvious financial incentives to "fail" in that the focus has been on developing "treatments", not cures (as with most diseases, for the purpose of milking the patient), it's bad science. There's something I've said on the board a few times over the years:
You can bark as long and hard as you like up the wrong tree and it'll get you nowhere as long as it's the wrong tree.
Not exactly poetic, I know.
I’m a bit more altruistic about it. Or at least about the future of it. I think as tech advances, more and more sophisticated work can be done by more and more independent people.
Sure we have to rely on big pharma to supply it to the masses, but sooner or later, fruitful research can’t be ignored anymore
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demondestroyer
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English muthaclucka, do you speak it?
Stumplegriltskin
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Yep, it's like going to Midas for a tire rotation. Find endless stuff wrong and before you know it, down the HMO rabbit hole you go. If I had cancer, I'd fix it myself. Just like everything else in my life that breaks. Always up to me to fix it. I have ZERO faith in medicine, except trauma medicine.
But for regular stuff, I stay far far away. These A-holes had me in for thousands to diagnose the fact that I had heartburn, then had me on prilosec for 20 years. Come to find out, that stuff is horrible for your body.
So without getting all hippy dippy, I meditated for a few years and convinced myself I was free of heartburn. I believe if you put 100% of your being into convincing yourself you are well, eventually you will start to believe it. Your meditations and imaginations of the story you create for yourself eventually become lies that you believe and eventually they seem like memories of something that already occurred. Then subconsciously, the fix will find you. I cured myself of heartburn and I believe you can cure yourself of anything. I've been studying healing for over 20 years. It's an obsession of mine because of my utter HATRED for the medical establishment and insurance companies. Heartburn is not cancer, but I approach my life as a scientist and will never ever give away personal responsibility to a doctor or anyone else. I'm 100% responsible for everything in my life and don't believe in the Gene BS. That is "because I have this gene, I'm going to get this disease"
I believe that genes cause you to have a propensity for something to occur, but it's ultimately epigenetics or your environment that cause a gene to upregulate or downregulate.
Stumplegriltskin
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LMAO. I use that line all the time. I thought I was the originator of it. HAHA!!!
Stumplegriltskin
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I can't disagree that modern medicine may not be as advanced as we think and/or could potentially cause more harm then good. There are tons of people that feel that way. A scope is a scope. Outside of the fact that it has a lens, I don't see any reason to disregard it. A scope is going to find polyps or dysplasia. Decide from there. If God wants you (read VonBon etc) now and has decided for you to die from colorectal cancer then let it go and don't snip it out
(Don't read that as me being snippy (no pun) or trying to play doctor online - I'm frankly very new to all of this)
For now, I have no reason to distrust the Mayo Clinic, or any number of other sources:
Colorectal Cancer Causes
Nearly all colon and rectal cancers begin as a polyp, a growth on the inner surface of your colon. Polyps themselves usually aren’t cancer.
The most common types of polyps in your colon and rectum include:
Hyperplastic and inflammatory polyps. These usually don’t carry a chance of cancer. But large hyperplastic polyps, especially on the right side of your colon, can be a problem. Your doctor will want to remove them.
Adenomas or adenomatous polyps. These are precancerous. If you leave them alone, they could turn into colon cancer.
Short abstract
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3504051/
Here's a pro tip also. Maybe or not related to polyps. If you're on the shitter for more than 3 minutes, there's a problem. I see people that shit like 8 times I day. I don't know how they do it. I fixed that shit a long time ago. One long shit in the am first thing. Slides out the back like the Jamaican bobsled team going down the Swiss alps. I'm talking toothpaste commercial tapered ends as well. About 1' of toilet paper. Clean wipe. DONE.
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demondestroyer
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No! Thats why Jesus shed His blood. To cover your/ my sins!
Floyd Eye
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Actually you should shit about the same amount of times you eat a day.
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VonBonfire
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Yes of course but it is faith and works. Faith without works is dead. I made an extrapolation from scripture. The greatest command, love the Lord with all your heart. Love for the Lord=willing to give your life up rather than accept the mark of the beast. Love covers a multitude of sins 1 Peter 4:8,
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demondestroyer
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Not for eternal salvation! I am not pentecostal nor orthodox. I believe Gods word as written, rightly dividing the Word of Truth. The revelation of the mystery was only given to the apostle paul. Before paul the apostles were preaching the kingdom gospel but in the later chapters in the book of acts you see the apostles agree with pauls preaching/teaching. Have you ever wondered why paul calls it " my gospel" in 3 of his epistles. The gospel that paul preached is not the same as the gospel that was being preached before pauls damascus conversion. Ephesians 2: 8 and 9, " For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. There would be no reason for the judgment/bema seat of Christ and no reason to fear the chastening of the Holy Spirit, if we could do whatever we wanted after being saved. The holy spirit killed ananias and saphira on the spot for lying about the money as an example for the early church. They are still saved but were severely chastend by the holy spirit and will lose eternal rewards at the bema seat but still saved. James epistle was written before paul. Of course we live obedient to Christ but not for eternal salvation. But out of sheer thankfulness that God manifest in the flesh paid our entire sin debt with his perfect, holy, shed blood!
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VonBonfire
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You sound like you are anti Pauline scriptures? I can't get on board with that. I am orthodox, because orthodoxy is the visible church and it is the original church. Orthodoxy predates all NT scriptures. We do not say "got saved" because it is an ongoing process, not something to be spoken of in the past tense.
Here is the core of orthodoxy:
I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.
In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.
Amen.