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It's not a subsidy though. It isn't a charity or even a trade policy (That I'm aware of). It is the natural result of countries like China producing goods that Americans want for less money than other competitors, including America itself.
On one hand you are right it's not really a subsidy but on the other hand through bad policy we basically enabled China to become the largest producer of goods in the world. Our sellout politicians made this possible.
 
You're getting hung up on terms again and losing sight of the overall point.

Regardless of the reason, the US puts more money into other countries' economy than they put into the US's. No it's not a subsidy, but the US is supporting a decent sized part of other countries' economy. Other countries don't support our economy near as much.
You're missing my point that the reason that we have the deficit is not because of our good will or in order to support other countries. It is because Americans want to buy things that either we can't produce ourselves or can't produce for less money.
 
2) Why do other countries care how much of a tariff the US (or any other country) charges if the exporter is not the one paying it?
I'm not arguing tariffs but foreign businesses care because it impacts their bottom line, even if they are not the one's paying the tariff. They might 'pay' by reducing their prices to offset the cost, but they might not be able to and then lose the business altogether if consumers won't pay higher prices. On the other hand, consumers lose because prices for those goods inevitably rise or goods may no longer be regularly available if there isn't enough demand at those higher prices.
 
You're missing my point that the reason that we have the deficit is not because of our good will or in order to support other countries. It is because Americans want to buy things that either we can't produce ourselves or can't produce for less money.
I can't speak for the whole of Americans, but I personally avoid foreign made junk and buy made in America as much as I can even if it costs a little more.

I think more and more people are moving to that mindset now because the realize it means the dollars they spend stay in the US and don't go to support foreign economies. People are starting to understand that will increase domestic jobs and pay which will result in overall more money in pocket even with some goods costing more. With that the larger goal becomes producing domestically rather than as cheaply as possible. Companies need to get on board or face not holding as much of the US market as the do.
 
I think more and more people are moving to that mindset now because the realize it means the dollars they spend stay in the US and don't go to support foreign economies.
I think people under 40 are not aware of the days when there was advertising that suggested we buy American. At the same time, a lot of what is made in the USA now is slapdash garbage too thanks to bean counters up in corporate. Everything is a dang throwaway. Remember these:


 
What do you mean? A trade deficit isn't a subsidy. It means that the US buys more from another country than they buy from us.
Subsidy, transfer of wealth and financial security, trade deficit..... its not free and its at the cost of the average Americans standard of living, whatever you want to call it the BS is over.


Agree with it or not, like it or not, America is the only man with a gun (access to largest market/fiat currency) in the room and all the other countries/men will simply do as the man with the gun says if they know what's good for them because they have no guns...... and it seems they have forgotten........


Right or wrong, agree or not, like it or not they will do what the man with gun says and fall in line.
 
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I think people under 40 are not aware of the days when there was advertising that suggested we buy American. At the same time, a lot of what is made in the USA now is slapdash garbage too thanks to bean counters up in corporate. Everything is a dang throwaway. Remember these:



Yeah I remember those and the look for the union lable jingle.
 
Agree with it or not, like it or not, America is the only man with a gun (access to largest market/fiat currency) in the room and all the other country/men will simply do as the man with the gun says if they know what's good for them because they have no guns......
This man with the gun analogy probably isn't the best one to use.
 
This man with the gun analogy probably isn't the best one to use.
None of the other countries have guns..... they don't have the keys to allow access to the worlds largest market/economy, they aren't at the helm of a country that prints the worlds fiat currency and is the worlds main economic engine.

They have zero guns and it's an old school West stick up for good or bad, agree or not, like it or not. America is using its gun, none of these other guys have a gun and we aren't on equal footings on any level in that sense and it's time they simply just do what we say and fall in line and I hate to put it so bluntly but that is essentially what's happening and what's going to happen.


The man with the gun makes the rules and always has and I dont think the other men/countries in the room understand that and are just beginning to and the man with the gun is done with the BS and the other men will do as he says for their own good and if they know what's good for them.
 
None of the other countries have guns..... they don't have the keys to allow access to the worlds largest market/economy, they aren't at the helm of a country that prints the worlds fiat currency and is the worlds main economic engine.

They have zero guns and it's an old school West stick up for good or bad, agree or not, like it or not. America is using its gun, none of these other guys have a gun and we aren't on equal footings on any level in that sense and it's time they simply just do what we say and fall in line and I hate to put it so bluntly but that is essentially what's happening and what's going to happen.


The man with the gun makes the rules and always has and I dont think the other men/countries in the room understand that and are just beginning to and the man with the gun is done with the BS and the other men will do as he says for their own good and if they know what's good for them.
I understand what you are getting at. I was just meaning the man with the gun analog comes off more like bank robbery than advocating for fair trade.
 
Right or wrong, agree or not, like it or not they will do what the man with gun says and fall in line.
Personally I think Trump is overplaying his hand, and the world is not as reliant on US markets or the dollar as one might think. That said I appreciate that it is a direct hit on the globalist enterprise and am open to the idea that it ultimately helps average Americans.

I was just meaning the man with the gun analog comes off more like bank robbery than advocating for fair trade.
I don't think the analogy is that far off. Go see what happens if you refuse to pay tariffs (Or taxes). :ROFLMAO:
 
I understand what you are getting at. I was just meaning the man with the gun analog comes off more like bank robbery than advocating for fair trade.
Old West stick up, bank robbery, good or bad, right or wrong or ugly.....

However one wants to call it's not a real negotiation and negotiation time is over and it's simpler that way. No one gets hurt if they just do what the man with the gun says.
 
Personally I think Trump is overplaying his hand, and the world is not as reliant on US markets or the dollar as one might think. That said I appreciate that it is a direct hit on the globalist enterprise and am open to the idea that it ultimately helps average Americans.


I don't think the analogy is that far off. Go see what happens if you refuse to pay tariffs (Or taxes). :ROFLMAO:
I mean pretty much, Trump ain't messing around and this isn't a negotiation. The man with the gun makes the rules in the West right or wrong, good or bad, ugly or not it doesn't matter because he's the only one with a gun in the room.

It doesn't matter what the other countries think and well at this point who cares and the time for negotiations are over. America is using its gun.
 
It's not pretty but the rest of the world has forgotten they don't have a gun.......


And America isn't afraid to use theirs and is using their gun...... for good, bad or for how ugly it may be or come off.



 
Markets stabilizing somewhat after a bumpy ride....... things look good given what happened overseas......



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The Fed also announced 5 rate cuts coming up for interest rates at .25 points each......


This helped stabilize markets showing inflation is on track to 2% and along with the countries around the world calling in to negotiate after getting a gun shoved in their face, the markets seem to have stabilized as a result after the initial shock.


Gold is down when typically in a recession or a crash it goes up, inflation is down, interest rates are on pace to get cut further.


It's working out and it's not bad and there is light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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@The-Kid, I think the thing to ask is, why does the Fed want 2% increase in cost every year? It doesn't help anyone but the rich to have everyone lose purchasing power every year. The 2% target came from some other country and the US used it as an excuse so that inflation could keep happening. We didn't have this 2% target in the 1990s.
 
Markets stabilizing somewhat after a bumpy ride....... things look good given what happened overseas......



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Is there a way to change "full" to "small" ? :lol:
 
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