how're the new mexican promod Charvels?

[romanianreaper]

HC still around? God I hated that place after a short while and glad the good guys defected here

Yeah, it is still around. I left that site years ago when the comedians outnumbered the actual musicians.

I finally sent Bob Savage a message and told him I wanted to move over to the dark side on RT. I was pleasantly surprised to finally see actual people playing guitars!!

 

[charveldan]

HC nao is extinct/defacto/null & void

 

[bigdaddyd]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

 

[theonetruematt]

well I went to Sam Ash near me (listed on Charvel's site as being a dealer) and not one Charvel guitar was to be found there, not even one of those Desolation ones

Sam Ash pretty much didn't order any this time around. A LOT of the MIJ ones ended up sitting around and selling at really low close out prices. They're only on order for one or two stores and those are probably special orders. ie: You can still order them through Sam Ash but you're not gonna see them hanging out in the stores (as of right now at least).

 

[charveldan]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

They were around 1K MIJ, i'm not paying that much for a Mexican anything.

 

[polaris20]

Could care less where "charvel" is made this month.

Well, at least you care a little then.

MIM's are hit or miss in terms of tone. Some seem kinda dead, others are outstanding. My old blue Strat was meh, but my current MIM black one is outstanding.

Basically like a $2000 Gibson; play before buying.

 

[charveldan]

Could care less where "charvel" is made this month.

Well, at least you care a little then.

MIM's are hit or miss in terms of tone. Some seem kinda dead, others are outstanding. My old blue Strat was meh, but my current MIM black one is outstanding.

Basically like a $2000 Gibson; play before buying.

Wayne sold the company many years ago in a galaxy far far away.

They've changed materials, models, components and country of manufacture ever since.

I gave up long ago but thought they were onto something a few years back.

Of course they had to fuck that up too.

Charvel/Jackson brand has jumped the shark ...

 

[Chubtone]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

They are not Floyd Rose Originals. The originals are made in Germany. These come with Floyd Rose trems that are made in Korea. Still very good quality trems, just not quite up to the German quality. We swap them out all the time for German Floyds for customers.

 

[Chubtone]

Wayne sold the company many years ago in a galaxy far far away.

They've changed materials, models, components and country of manufacture ever since.

I gave up long ago but thought they were onto something a few years back.

Of course they had to fuck that up too.

Charvel/Jackson brand has jumped the shark ...

Incorrect on a lot of counts. Wayne had NOTHING to do with Charvel ever becoming a successful guitar company. He sold the company in 1978 to Grover Jackson and any success Charvel ever had in those early days happened well after Grover was in command.

Charvel Jackson has not jumped the shark in a way that most other companies have not also done. Charvel still makes a top of the line, killer feeling custom shop guitar that rivals anything on the planet and is priced very competitively. So does Jackson. They also make import series guitars at more affordable price points too. If we want to eliminate all the companies that do that, there won't be too many left standing. Want a top of the line Charvel, Suhr, Gibson, Fender etc, buy a custom shop one. Want a more affordable version with a lot of the same features in a stripped down, don't have to worry about it as much package, buy an import. I'd much rather have an $800 import from Mexico than from China or Korea.

 

[charveldan]

Wayne sold the company many years ago in a galaxy far far away.

They've changed materials, models, components and country of manufacture ever since.

I gave up long ago but thought they were onto something a few years back.

Of course they had to fuck that up too.

Charvel/Jackson brand has jumped the shark ...

Incorrect on a lot of counts. Wayne had NOTHING to do with Charvel ever becoming a successful guitar company. He sold the company in 1978 to Grover Jackson and any success Charvel ever had in those early days happened well after Grover was in command.

Charvel Jackson has not jumped the shark in a way that most other companies have not also done. Charvel still makes a top of the line, killer feeling custom shop guitar that rivals anything on the planet and is priced very competitively. So does Jackson. They also make import series guitars at more affordable price points too. If we want to eliminate all the companies that do that, there won't be too many left standing. Want a top of the line Charvel, Suhr, Gibson, Fender etc, buy a custom shop one. Want a more affordable version with a lot of the same features in a stripped down, don't have to worry about it as much package, buy an import. I'd much rather have an $800 import from Mexico than from China or Korea.

Look dude i don't want to debate ancient history, Grover/Wayne whoever sold out a long time ago.
I can't remember things that aren't important from 35 years ago.
The brand has had more owners than a cheap Asian whore. They ain't gettin my money.

I got more gear than i need nao.

 

[RustyMcTavish]

I'm looking forward to trying these new ones out.

On paper, the specs are just what I'm looking for and, at least, it's not a Floyd Rose Special.

I'm leaning toward the Candy Apple red right now

EDIT: Correction, Charvel site says it is a Floyd Rose Special. I have no experience with those, hopefully a store near me gets them so I can try 'em out.

 

[MississippiMetal]

Wayne sold the company many years ago in a galaxy far far away.

They've changed materials, models, components and country of manufacture ever since.

I gave up long ago but thought they were onto something a few years back.

Of course they had to fuck that up too.

Charvel/Jackson brand has jumped the shark ...

Incorrect on a lot of counts. Wayne had NOTHING to do with Charvel ever becoming a successful guitar company. He sold the company in 1978 to Grover Jackson and any success Charvel ever had in those early days happened well after Grover was in command.

Charvel Jackson has not jumped the shark in a way that most other companies have not also done. Charvel still makes a top of the line, killer feeling custom shop guitar that rivals anything on the planet and is priced very competitively. So does Jackson. They also make import series guitars at more affordable price points too. If we want to eliminate all the companies that do that, there won't be too many left standing. Want a top of the line Charvel, Suhr, Gibson, Fender etc, buy a custom shop one. Want a more affordable version with a lot of the same features in a stripped down, don't have to worry about it as much package, buy an import. I'd much rather have an $800 import from Mexico than from China or Korea.

Look dude i don't want to debate ancient history, Grover/Wayne whoever sold out a long time ago.
I can't remember things that aren't important from 35 years ago.
The brand has had more owners than a cheap Asian whore. They ain't gettin my money.

I got more gear than i need nao.

Enjoy your thrown-together, overpriced Les Pauls then. Nobody's forcing you to buy a Charvel.

See this is what I've been talking about for a while now. Some people come on here, want to get in on an argument without having the slightest idea what they're talking about, and when they get confronted with the REAL facts, suddenly it's "Oh, well, you know what I mean." or "I don't really care about the who/when/why/how, all I know is..."

You don't get to do that, bro. Democracy does not mean "my ignorance is as good as your intelligence". You either get your shit straight and contribute factual information, or you sit it out. Plain and simple. Throwing your hat into the mix with a scholar like Chubtone is like walking into the ring and slapping a professional boxer after you've been watching Rocky movies. You're gonna get embarassed.

 

[charveldan]

Wayne sold the company many years ago in a galaxy far far away.

They've changed materials, models, components and country of manufacture ever since.

I gave up long ago but thought they were onto something a few years back.

Of course they had to fuck that up too.

Charvel/Jackson brand has jumped the shark ...

Incorrect on a lot of counts. Wayne had NOTHING to do with Charvel ever becoming a successful guitar company. He sold the company in 1978 to Grover Jackson and any success Charvel ever had in those early days happened well after Grover was in command.

Charvel Jackson has not jumped the shark in a way that most other companies have not also done. Charvel still makes a top of the line, killer feeling custom shop guitar that rivals anything on the planet and is priced very competitively. So does Jackson. They also make import series guitars at more affordable price points too. If we want to eliminate all the companies that do that, there won't be too many left standing. Want a top of the line Charvel, Suhr, Gibson, Fender etc, buy a custom shop one. Want a more affordable version with a lot of the same features in a stripped down, don't have to worry about it as much package, buy an import. I'd much rather have an $800 import from Mexico than from China or Korea.

Look dude i don't want to debate ancient history, Grover/Wayne whoever sold out a long time ago.
I can't remember things that aren't important from 35 years ago.
The brand has had more owners than a cheap Asian whore. They ain't gettin my money.

I got more gear than i need nao.

Enjoy your thrown-together, overpriced Les Pauls then. Nobody's forcing you to buy a Charvel.

See this is what I've been talking about for a while now. Some people come on here, want to get in on an argument without having the slightest idea what they're talking about, and when they get confronted with the REAL facts, suddenly it's "Oh, well, you know what I mean." or "I don't really care about the who/when/why/how, all I know is..."

You don't get to do that, bro. Democracy does not mean "my ignorance is as good as your intelligence". You either get your shit straight and contribute factual information, or you sit it out. Plain and simple. Throwing your hat into the mix with a scholar like Chubtone is like walking into the ring and slapping a professional boxer after you've been watching Rocky movies. You're gonna get embarassed.

Relax, nobodys trying to take ur 16th generation/version Charvel away from you ...


For the record Les Pauls rock and are anything but "thrown together".

 

[bigdaddyd]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

They were around 1K MIJ, i'm not paying that much for a Mexican anything.

Wow, that was a long time ago. I wish I could get an original Flying V for what it cost new too. Also, people thought Japanese was shit when it first came out, then realize it was good, now think it is awesome. MIM was considered shit by the same people when it was introduced, now it is following the same path. Wake the fuck up, or move over and let people that don't follow internet forum trends get all the good gear.

 

[bigdaddyd]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

They are not Floyd Rose Originals. The originals are made in Germany. These come with Floyd Rose trems that are made in Korea. Still very good quality trems, just not quite up to the German quality. We swap them out all the time for German Floyds for customers.

Hey man, I know what the fuck a Floyd is, where they were made, who produced them and what the early ones looked like. I am going by the website.

http://www.charvel.com/guitars/?section=promod

If it says Floyd Rose Original, so do I. I don't give a shit about your Charvels anymore than that.

 

[RustyMcTavish]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

They are not Floyd Rose Originals. The originals are made in Germany. These come with Floyd Rose trems that are made in Korea. Still very good quality trems, just not quite up to the German quality. We swap them out all the time for German Floyds for customers.

Hey man, I know what the fuck a Floyd is, where they were made, who produced them and what the early ones looked like. I am going by the website.

http://www.charvel.com/guitars/?section=promod

If it says Floyd Rose Original, so do I. I don't give a shit about your Charvels anymore than that.

Here's what's confusing though, if you go to that link, pick a guitar and then choose specs, it's says Floyd Rose Special.

 

[rupe]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

They are not Floyd Rose Originals. The originals are made in Germany. These come with Floyd Rose trems that are made in Korea. Still very good quality trems, just not quite up to the German quality. We swap them out all the time for German Floyds for customers.

Hey man, I know what the fuck a Floyd is, where they were made, who produced them and what the early ones looked like. I am going by the website.

http://www.charvel.com/guitars/?section=promod

If it says Floyd Rose Original, so do I. I don't give a shit about your Charvels anymore than that.

Yeah, good move to go with the website over a guy who deals with these guitars on a daily basis. How dare he try to give you the facts.

And for the record, they have always come with Korean Floyds, regardless of what the website says. They're ok trems, but they aren't the real deal.

 

[romanianreaper]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

My only gripe is that Charvel was selling these guitars made in the U.S.A. for almost $1000, made in Japan for almost $1000, and now in Mexico for almost $1000. I just wish they were still made here at that price because I owned one and felt and sounded as good as my $3500 Charvel Warren DeMartini Signature guitar. The Japanese neck felt a little different to me but still was ok.

I have been playing guitar since 1985 and unfortunately in a lot of cases, I see a decline in sound, feel, etc. when things go to other countries, primarily with the lower priced models. There have been some exceptions though. One of the best guitars I've played in my life was an LTD EC-401 (I think that is the right model) which was a hardtail with EMG pickups. Sounded phenomenal, never went out of tune, etc. and made in Korea.

I guess a lot of guitars are hit and miss these days.

 

[baron55]

As others have said, 90% of guitars that are massed produced are CNC machine production, which allows for excellent quality control. But the big issue, and it is a huge one... Is lower cost guitars use cheaper wood, usually not as dry and it has more movement especially in necks. That is my big concern about the lack of an accessible neck adjustment. On a high end guitar it is not as critical since higher quality woods are used.

You can go into a room with 20 MIM Fender Strats, and find a few excellent ones, the rest are average, and some downright unplayable with warped necks. I remember a friend of mine were in Bizarre Guitar in Phoenix in the mid 90's trying out MIM strats. Out of 10 that we tried, only three had decent necks.

Also how come Fendervelle has not come clan on the Floyds. Their website and all the retailers are calling it an original Floyd rose trem, but as someone else mentioned in other areas of the side they called it a Floyd Rose special Grande Supremo.

 

[yankeebulldog]

What's wrong with them? Fender MIM is really good quality, with the exception of the hardware. Fender owns Charvel and with a quick look at these they already come with Floyd Rose Originals and Seymor Duncans. I mean, what else do you want? If you want a custom guitar, go have one built. LIST price is cheap, so retail must be fair. Looks like win win for those that like Charvels to me.

My only gripe is that Charvel was selling these guitars made in the U.S.A. for almost $1000, made in Japan for almost $1000, and now in Mexico for almost $1000. I just wish they were still made here at that price because I owned one and felt and sounded as good as my $3500 Charvel Warren DeMartini Signature guitar. The Japanese neck felt a little different to me but still was ok.

I have been playing guitar since 1985 and unfortunately in a lot of cases, I see a decline in sound, feel, etc. when things go to other countries, primarily with the lower priced models. There have been some exceptions though. One of the best guitars I've played in my life was an LTD EC-401 (I think that is the right model) which was a hardtail with EMG pickups. Sounded phenomenal, never went out of tune, etc. and made in Korea.

I guess a lot of guitars are hit and miss these days.

I agree that the price differences should be a little wider given the lower cost to produce. Same goes for the EVH specials that moved from Japan to China with no price drop. I owned a couple if the early USA Charvels a San Dimas and a So Cal and it was hit or miss on the quality control. One of mine had horrible fret work and a few minor finish flaws. The other was flawless but I woundn't say it was as good as a USA Custom Shop Charvel or Suhr. It was on par with what you'd find with Carvin or Fender American Standard, etc everything else in this around 1000 price range.