I finally found out what the pot behind van halen VH1 does (it wasn't a master at all)

[harddriver]

You guys think you like Ed...this guy says hold my BEER...........

 

[LP Freak]

You guys think you like Ed...this guy says hold my BEER...........

Kinda like a stalker

 

[Anje]

The main added value I see of those regular threads is when I'm bored and/or need to free-up my mind from the real life important matters;
I just grab a coffee and can have a good laugh.

 

[Floyd Eye]

VH is dead & overated. Cigarettes, cocaine & ambien is the secret to VH toan.

Let’s hear your shit fat ass.

 

[Amp_chaser]

Maybe I should ask this guy about the “secret mods” or maybe I did

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Rudy Leiren perhaps he knows or not. Here is why he was replaced by zeke clark :
"Rudy the guy that had been with him for seven years which uh was a great guy did everything the best that he knew how from what Edward told him to do you know but he never I guess had the the basic understanding or the time to to take it Beyond and know the internal electronic parts of it to understand the thesis behind the electronics and and just the whole theorie".

think about it : would eddie replace a friend easily ? no, if he did it was probably due to technical issues needing serious attention. That means that ruddy was not enough to repair, maintain and improve electronics... He perhaps lacked knowedge about electricity and circuits.

It's possible he knew some enough to maintain and service amp but not enough to make the distiction between a stock super lead and a modded one. One thing suggesting there some issues is that he multiple times identified the head as an early 60's head while zeke directly said it must have been from around 67 which was almost spot on.

here is the source :



here zeke clark says josé completely rebuilt the amp :



if you wanna know what was going on with the electronics go check zeke not rudy. Also by the way you're a great player. I know a famous amp modder you probably know personnaly and who knows what was the main mod that has been done to the head and it's not Dave.

Use you ears and not the legends and stories they fed us. Eddie was very secretive and josé was loyal until death. So it might be that others are still keeping the secret without telling anything to anyone.

Famous guitar players are often on the road and don't have a lot time to do research.
I believe if you learnt how to build amps and if you learnt everything that has been said about the head and the pictures of its inside that dave released believe me that you would be more suspicious of it being modded. The pictures of the amp show it had been butchered and components replaced multiple times the filter is far off from stock. No normal amp even played by rock legends ever need this amount of components replacement. Most of them are still in pristine condition with original components. Finally In a tone talk with Ossie ahsen dave friedman even says he doesn't know if it was modded or not during vh1...

by the way ask yourself i'm a shitty player in terms of skill how could my tone be that close ? i'm using no eq no pedals just some reverb and delay with genome from two notes. The cabs have greenbacks 20w 75hz and 30w greenbacks g12h30 with 55hz which is what eddie had on his live flagsystems cabs but in blackbacks.

 

[Racerxrated]

Rudy Leiren perhaps he knows or not. Here is why he was replaced by zeke clark :
"Rudy the guy that had been with him for seven years which uh was a great guy did everything the best that he knew how from what Edward told him to do you know but he never I guess had the the basic understanding or the time to to take it Beyond and know the internal electronic parts of it to understand the thesis behind the electronics and and just the whole theorie".

think about it : would eddie replace a friend easily ? no, if he did it was probably due to technical issues needing serious attention. That means that ruddy was not enough to repair, maintain and improve electronics... He perhaps lacked knowedge about electricity and circuits.

It's possible he knew some enough to maintain and service amp but not enough to make the distiction between a stock super lead and a modded one. One thing suggesting there some issues is that he multiple times identified the head as an early 60's head while zeke directly said it must have been from around 67 which was almost spot on.

here is the source :



here zeke clark says josé completely rebuilt the amp :



if you wanna know what was going on with the electronics go check zeke not rudy. Also by the way you're a great player. I know a famous amp modder you probably know personnaly and who knows what was the main mod that has been done to the head and it's not Dave.

Use you ears and not the legends and stories they fed us. Eddie was very secretive and josé was loyal until death. So it might be that others are still keeping the secret without telling anything to anyone.

Famous guitar players are often on the road and don't have a lot time to do research.
I believe if you learnt how to build amps and if you learnt everything that has been said about the head and the pictures of its inside that dave released believe me that you would be more suspicious of it being modded. The pictures of the amp show it had been butchered and components replaced multiple times the filter is far off from stock. No normal amp even played by rock legends ever need this amount of components replacement. Most of them are still in pristine condition with original components. Finally In a tone talk with Ossie ahsen dave friedman even says he doesn't know if it was modded or not during vh1...

by the way ask yourself i'm a shitty player in terms of skill how could my tone be that close ? i'm using no eq no pedals just some reverb and delay with genome from two notes. The cabs have greenbacks 20w 75hz and 30w greenbacks g12h30 with 55hz which is what eddie had on his live flagsystems cabs.

Why are you still in denial about the use of the JBLs? Have you even tried them with greenbacks? I'm telling you, the SIZZLE in VH1 is 100% in the JBL 120s aluminum dust caps. VH1 was recorded with 20w GBs and JBLs in his straight cabs. Cmon dude. This is common knowledge. You seem to be making this 1000X harder than it has to be. Just grab a pair of JBL D123s, or K120s if you can't source the D120s (they are indeed $$ these days) as they will still give you that sizzle.

 

[LP Freak]

Why does this guy remind me of a slightly smarter version of CharvelDan?

 

[vultures]

Unless you are Eddie you will never have Eddie's tone. That's what I think you and thousands of other dudes who should've found their own tone instead of chasing what someone else did fail to understand.

Yeah.. I don't get chasing this shit down. The best players in the world don't sound like Eddie.. But the ones who are close (Dweezil, Pete Thorn, Nuno, etc..) get pretty dang close without the exact amp, mods, guitar, etc..

 

[Amp_chaser]

Why are you still in denial about the use of the JBLs? Have you even tried them with greenbacks? I'm telling you, the SIZZLE in VH1 is 100% in the JBL 120s aluminum dust caps. VH1 was recorded with 20w GBs and JBLs in his straight cabs. Cmon dude. This is common knowledge. You seem to be making this 1000X harder than it has to be. Just grab a pair of JBL D123s, or K120s if you can't source the D120s (they are indeed $$ these days) as they will still give you that sizzle.

I tell you that the jbl use has been disproven by Kurt James. He said in an interview and he is right there is proof about it. Eddie used the jbl speakers on straight cabs only. But those weren't connected they were often old or blown jbl that eddie put there to fill the voids because he didn't want to have 4 rows of speakers because it would be too loud. The proof he is telling the truth in the only picture of the vh1 recording we got you can see he uses a slanted cab. Thus if you look at every speaker cab he uses and used in small clubs there was no JBL in the slanted cabs... Also for the vh2 shooting session where you can see dlr sitting on top of a cab this one was staged and after the recording the cabs used were cabs for the pictures only not for the recordings. in the fact the cabs inside the studio have no jbl d120f.

Here are the proofs : VH1 cab used by eddie SLANTED CAB moreover no silver dome reflection despite all the lights the silver dot you see is from the camera itself...

here and on multiple pics of van halen the JBL only appear on straight cabs

finally inside the studio of the recording session of vh2 no jbl is seen :

but for the shooting session they used the straight jbl cabs :

look at the state of the domes those were blown speakers...


i asked someone who owned original cabs from flag systems owned by eddie and they had blackbacks g12m25 75hz blackback g12h30 55hz but if you read a but in old interviews they said they used blackbacks because it was cheaper. so the original might have been vintage g12h30 55hz greenbacks coupled with g12m20 75hz 20w greenbacks...

Before saying it's bullshit just try both of them... but try to find vintage paper cones g12h30 55hz because they sound different and way better...



that sounds shitty for a brown sound in my opinion and far from it... even deraps that many cited he also said he doesn't believe the jbl d120f theory...

 

[Racerxrated]

I tell you that the jbl use has been disproven by Kurt James. He said in an interview and he is right there is proof about it. Eddie used the jbl speakers on straight cabs only. But those weren't connected they were often old or blown jbl that eddie put there to fill the voids because he didn't want to have 4 rows of speakers because it would be too loud. The proof he is telling the truth in the only picture of the vh1 recording we got you can see he uses a slanted cab. Thus if you look at every speaker cab he uses and used in small clubs there was no JBL in the slanted cabs... Also for the vh2 shooting session where you can see dlr sitting on top of a cab this one was staged and after the recording the cabs used were cabs for the pictures only not for the recordings. in the fact the cabs inside the studio have no jbl d120f.

Here are the proofs : VH1 cab used by eddie SLANTED CAB moreover no silver dome reflection despite all the lights the silver dot you see is from the camera itself...
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here and on multiple pics of van halen the JBL only appear on straight cabs
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finally inside the studio of the recording session of vh2 no jbl is seen :
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but for the shooting session they used the straight jbl cabs :


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look at the state of the domes those were blown speakers...


i asked someone who owned original cabs from flag systems owned by eddie and they had blackbacks g12m25 75hz blackback g12h30 55hz but if you read a but in old interviews they said they used blackbacks because it was cheaper. so the original might have been vintage g12h30 55hz greenbacks coupled with g12m20 75hz 20w greenbacks...

Before saying it's bullshit just try both of them... but try to find vintage paper cones g12h30 55hz because they sound different and way better...



that sounds shitty for a brown sound in my opinion and far from it... even deraps that many cited he also said he doesn't believe the jbl d120f theory...

So stupid.

First off, Blackbacks were NEW SPEAKERS at the time VH1 was recorded. Again, NEW SPEAKERS. I have Blackbacks. They don't sound like VH1. A band starting out are going to use what's available, and used gear like 60s cabs are going to be readily available. The 20w GBs are going to be available, as are JBL 120s. New BBs are going to be expensive by comparison.
I don't give a shit about anyone who 'doesn't believe the theory' about JBLs, it's clear as fuck he had them in his cabs and it's clear as fuck he said he used them. It's also obvious IF YOU EVER PLAY THEM WITH GREENBACKS that you hear the EXACT SIZZLE OF VH1 right there in front of you.
This is literally the dumbest argument you attempt to make, yet all you have to do is try it for yourself and you'd hear it. It's captain obvious. Anyone who has a pair of ears, and tries it hears it.
Greenbacks + JBLS = Sizzle=VH1. Greenbacks + Greenbacks=No sizzle= VH2.
Solved.
You're welcome.

 

[Amp_chaser]

So stupid.

First off, Blackbacks were NEW SPEAKERS at the time VH1 was recorded. Again, NEW SPEAKERS. I have Blackbacks. They don't sound like VH1. A band starting out are going to use what's available, and used gear like 60s cabs are going to be readily available. The 20w GBs are going to be available, as are JBL 120s. New BBs are going to be expensive by comparison.
I don't give a shit about anyone who 'doesn't believe the theory' about JBLs, it's clear as fuck he had them in his cabs and it's clear as fuck he said he used them. It's also obvious IF YOU EVER PLAY THEM WITH GREENBACKS that you hear the EXACT SIZZLE OF VH1 right there in front of you.
This is literally the dumbest argument you attempt to make, yet all you have to do is try it for yourself and you'd hear it. It's captain obvious. Anyone who has a pair of ears, and tries it hears it.
Greenbacks + JBLS = Sizzle=VH1. Greenbacks + Greenbacks=No sizzle= VH2.
Solved.
You're welcome.

Man did you read everything i wrote ? i said that greenbacks g12h30 55hz were used alongside 20w greenbacks for vh1 but because they were too expensive to buy from used market and that celestion released blackbacks they decided to use blackbacks when they became famous and began to tour around the world. Vh1 rig : two kinds of greenbacks, after Vh2 and they toured worlwide they began to use Flag systems and those used blackback versions of the same models of greenbacks... FFS just read :

stop believing myths and shit...



here at 2:07 Deraps says i'm sure he didn't use jbl speakers... he probably got this info from a reliable source...

 

[Amp_chaser]

So stupid.

First off, Blackbacks were NEW SPEAKERS at the time VH1 was recorded. Again, NEW SPEAKERS. I have Blackbacks. They don't sound like VH1. A band starting out are going to use what's available, and used gear like 60s cabs are going to be readily available. The 20w GBs are going to be available, as are JBL 120s. New BBs are going to be expensive by comparison.
I don't give a shit about anyone who 'doesn't believe the theory' about JBLs, it's clear as fuck he had them in his cabs and it's clear as fuck he said he used them. It's also obvious IF YOU EVER PLAY THEM WITH GREENBACKS that you hear the EXACT SIZZLE OF VH1 right there in front of you.
This is literally the dumbest argument you attempt to make, yet all you have to do is try it for yourself and you'd hear it. It's captain obvious. Anyone who has a pair of ears, and tries it hears it.
Greenbacks + JBLS = Sizzle=VH1. Greenbacks + Greenbacks=No sizzle= VH2.
Solved.
You're welcome.

Man if i tell you what the main mod in ed's amp you'll learn that 99% of the players have bad hearing believe me...
In the past people bought cameron atomicas while they sound very far away from the vh1 sound and people were saying that sounds so van halen 1... even a stock plexi was closer... When people believe myths they can't even make the difference with their ears.

 

[chumbucket]

Man did you read everything i wrote ? i said that greenbacks g12h30 55hz were used alongside 20w greenbacks for vh1 but because they were too expensive to buy from used market and that celestion released blackbacks they decided to use blackbacks when they became famous and began to tour around the world. Vh1 rig : two kinds of greenbacks, after Vh2 and they toured worlwide they began to use Flag systems and those used blackback versions of the same models of greenbacks... FFS just read :

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stop believing myths and shit...



here at 2:07 Deraps says i'm sure he didn't use jbl speakers... he probably got this info from a reliable source...

Deraps' tone sounds great here through a stock plexi reissue. No mods necessary.

 

[Racerxrated]

Man did you read everything i wrote ? i said that greenbacks g12h30 55hz were used alongside 20w greenbacks for vh1 but because they were too expensive to buy from used market and that celestion released blackbacks they decided to use blackbacks when they became famous and began to tour around the world. Vh1 rig : two kinds of greenbacks, after Vh2 and they toured worlwide they began to use Flag systems and those used blackback versions of the same models of greenbacks... FFS just read :

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stop believing myths and shit...



here at 2:07 Deraps says i'm sure he didn't use jbl speakers... he probably got this info from a reliable source...

Again, I don't care WHAT Jacob says about WHAT HE THINKS about what was used. WHO GIVES A FUCK about what a guy who can play EVH thinks about what EVH used 30 yrs before he was even born???? Why in the hell do you put so much weight into that??

Ok, so I'll ask Al Estrada WHO WAS HIRED BY DAVID LEE ROTH to play and he says....

See what I mean??? Does either player hold weight on their opinion more than the other because they can nail Eddie really well?? I don't think so. It's still just their opinion like it's anyone else's opinion.


He used JBLs.
They are in the pics in the studio.\
He said he used JBLs. He even says he didn't like the high end the JBLs added.
If you EVER TRIED JBLs (easy to do, just FREAKING BUY A PAIR) you'd actually GET IT.
But, you continue to ignore the FACTS THAT ARE STARING YOU IN THE FACE.

 

[riffsfordaze]

The burning question remains...

How did Cheech and Chong get the tone on Earache my Eye?

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

Guys. I have a confession to make. I am a huge Eddie Van Halen fan. His tone is THE tone and nothing that has come after is even close.

The truth is I have been hiding something from you all. Me and Eddie used to jam together. And he confided in me the secret to the VHI tone. He swore me to secrecy, but with his death this far removed I would like to put this to bed once and for all. Brace yourself for this revelation.

 

[VonBonfire]

Guys. I have a confession to make. I am a huge Eddie Van Halen fan. His tone is THE tone and nothing that has come after is even close.

The truth is I have been hiding something from you all. Me and Eddie used to jam together. And he confided in me the secret to the VHI tone. He swore me to secrecy, but with his death this far removed I would like to put this to bed once and for all. Brace yourself for this revelation.
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Seems like BS. When I met Brian Young when he was in St. Petersburg backing DLR for rib fest he swore that Eddie recorded VH1 using a Line 6 spider.

 

[Mike Oxhuge]

Seems like BS. When I met Brian Young when he was in St. Petersburg backing DLR for rib fest he swore that Eddie recorded VH1 using a Line 6 spider.

There is just as much a chance it was recorded on a Spider or Vypyr as there is it was anything other than stock Plexi. He really wasn't that gained out, the perceived gain is all in that top end courtesy of the JBL. My 72 did VH1 gain at 8.5 on volume 1. Volume 2 and everything else dimed like EVH did. Every one of ampchasers clips are using more gain than Eddie did. Why use moded when stock already had more than enough? Because you don't have Eddie's talent to be able to cleanly play those parts with less gain. It's okay though as I don't have his talent either.

 

[Anje]

Mr Ampchaser threads never disappoint

I'd be curious to know what he would be saying in front of John Suhr for example, knowing John worked on Ed's amp in 90-92 when Ed wanted to "bring it back"; John has always said multiple times on record that the preamp was stock up until the output of the tonestack... just some particular components/specs combination from this particular era/batch of amps as they came from Marshall, and "one" small minor component variation for a slight bass boost on the treble channel. That's is. Done deal.
Actually I'd gladly pay to watch a live event of that conversation; let me grab a coffee

 

[DanTravis62]

It's the same thing with SRV tone. Tens of thousands of bucks in pedals, a half dozen amps, eight or nine strats later and they still can't find it. Meanwhile anyone with chops can use a random 3sc strat with a thick-ish set of string and any number of Fender or Marshall amps and a tubescreamer clone and the same "can't find it" dudes will be talking about how they saw a guy at a club "nAiLiNg tHoSe sTeViE tOaNz".

anyone who doesn't fucking suck at guitar can literally just plug a tube screamer into a fender tube amp of some description with a strat and nail SRV tones

just like anyone who doesn't fucking suck at guitar can literally just plug into a dimed superlead and VH1 is right there, just waiting to be had

this is just because people like amp chaser don't understand how "tone", especially in the context of a recording, actually works

they think its a 1:1 from the cabintet speaker to their favorite record, because actually understanding the recording and mastering process is too complex and scary