i need help learning scales... please&thanks

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Google the 3 note per string scale patterns. It is great for metal and slippery leads. Get some backing tracks and a metronome. Learn the scales in good time with a metronome gradually dialing up the speed... RECORD YOUR PRACTICE!!

You may think you are playing well but a recording will give you honest feedback.

I got a good teacher and he told me those things.

Recording how you improvise over jam tracks will be encouraging after you get a solid month of practice in.

Good luck!
 
I honestly dont know any scales....and i think i do ok. I cant play like some of the fellows here ( who are beyond silly) but i have some great feel, write great tunes/parts and land smoking hot chicks... :lol: :LOL:

although...learning scales could never hurt!!

peace n grease!
 
music theory, learning scales, music notation is the language of music. I did projects were some of the musicians did not speak english, it was no problem, as we all could read music notation, and the project turned out great. U see u can speak a language but may not know how to read or write the words. Music notation is a language and theory is the mechanics behind it. It will help make u a more complete musician.
 
You may not need a music teacher, but you DO need a good theory book. This will help you understand what are scales, what modes are (not the same as scales, technically), chord theory, chord extensions, etc.

Don't waste anymore time. A REALLY GOOD theory book is The Idiot's Guide To Music Theory. Any of the Real Book theory books also are good.

With theory, you will learn how to play more rhythmically, while keeping intervals in mind. At the end of the day, you'll learn that you can use all of the 12 notes available -- the real art is knowing WHEN and HOW to use them.

Have you ever wondered what the relationship is between a CM chord and a Dm chord? With theory you'll learn why a Dm follows a CM chord naturally. Things will begin to become more clear. Your job will be to devote as much time studying theory as you do playing guitar. That is the hard part. Theory also demystifies chord structure in music, and why most pop songs follow certain chord structures. You'll also learn why these structures make songs sound good, and learn how to use these structures and organizations to create well-placed TENSIONS in your writing.

Good luck! :rock:
 
You should be playing with a metronome ALWAYS. Practice makes perfect. And even if you are REALLY GOOD, there is always room for improvement. You wouldn't believe how good you can be at the guitar if you practice the instrument the RIGHT way. It's all about having goals and being structured in your approach.
 
Gooseman":yhavn11f said:
And even if you are REALLY GOOD, there is always room for improvement.
So true! :yes: I've never taken a "break" from music, ever. I've always stuck to somewhat of a loose regimen, even if it wasn't shredding scales. At least getting in some good writing time, working on feel and vibrato, etc. I have always continued to improve and I hope to keep doing so. I'm still hungry to learn and to create, and that's what important IMO!
 
I think a teacher would do you a lot of good. Someone to guide you thru the questions and mistakes will hasten the learning process, especially at your age and brain cell deficit, (I've killed quite a few too). Of course it's not necessary, neither is knowing theory to get enjoyment out of any instrument. But it will open up a whole other world, and you will elevate your game.

That said, I'm sure there are some guys that know no theory that will smoke a lot that do cause talent doesn't discriminate. And I would trade every lesson I had to get my hands on those tits PaulyPanacea has his hands on in his avatar!!
 
Scales and modes are easy to learn.

What's hard is learning to use them and sound like you are playing music. It's like learning English, there are rules, but there are plenty of exceptions and some of the rules get bent or broken. Like when a kid is learning to read, they start out just struggling to sound out the words. Once they get the easy words they start getting more complex words. OK, now you've got the words but when reading sentences they just sound like they are calling out words, no inflection, inappropriate pauses, etc. Eventually they can read fluid sentences and add emotion, timing, dynamics, etc.

Scales are just a tool to help you. I'm still trying to figure it out. I would start just learning the major and minor scales shapes. Then add the modes. Spend a few weeks getting the shape/pattern for each under your finger.

Once you've got that, rent or buy Modes, No more Mystery by Frank Gambale.Then make or download some backing tracks or get a looper and start soloing over different chord progressions, the simpler the better. Can be just one chord. Spend maybe one week soloing in Major. Move to Minor. Then move to Dorian, or Mixolydian or whatever. Don't waste too much time in the less commonly used modes like locrian or phrygian to start with.

At first your improves will sound forced and you'll probably sound like you are playing a scale, just like the kid who knows how to sound out words but sentences sound awkward and forced. Eventually it'll open up and you'll see the fretboard differently and you'll know the scales (rules) and you'll start to break them on purpose instead of just accidently playing the "wrong" note.

This should keep you busy for a year or maybe even a lifetime. I'm no master at it but this is what has worked for me.
 
get familar with the Phrygian mode if you are staying in that genre.

Example C Major scale:

C-D-E-F-G-A-B

find the 3rd note in that scale. start from that E and play through the same notes back to C and it sounds phrygian due to the change in whole/half steps. Notice the 1/2 step between E and F, this is signature for Phyrgian and you hear it all over heavier genres.

# the 3rd (G) you get the Phyrgian Dominant mode (Yngwie) and use quite a bit too based on harmonic minor orientation.

repeat for the other scales in different keys.

learning phyrgian all over the neck in different keys is a good learning exercise, but other modes exist at the other positions.
 
Gooseman":zdxmqr3k said:
You should be playing with a metronome ALWAYS. Practice makes perfect. And even if you are REALLY GOOD, there is always room for improvement. You wouldn't believe how good you can be at the guitar if you practice the instrument the RIGHT way. It's all about having goals and being structured in your approach.
well im not good by any means.. i can play a few songs.. well more than a few, but my point is i have came to a plateau in my playing and its time to actually learn scales,modes and some theory.. you say use a metronome where can i get one and how do you use it.. but guys thanks so much for the advice and please keep it coming..
 
If you have an iPhone, find one of the guitar apps in appstore. Most of them have a metronome in them.
 
Bruce Bouillet's instructional video is a great place to start. He goes through scales, modes, and arpeggios.

 
Metronome's just keep steady time. With the beats, you play notes -- whole, half, quarter, sixteenth, etc. From there you can play triplets, etc. Metronomes are great at keeping time and really help musicians as they practice "in time." This translates over in your total skill and ability to play with others. You have to have a good feel and understanding in rhythms too to really utilize a metronome. Either way, too many MUSICIANS, not just guitarists, fail to use metronomes. This is how you get sloppy -- by not using one. Timing issues can arise, as well as overall playing skill - utilizing rests, different rhythms, etc.

I know others have offered you empty tidbits on here -- like "just use the Phrygian mode ..." That will do you no real good if you don't understand theory in general -- as in, why you are playing what you are playing. Forget about Paul McCartney and Keith Richards. That isn't the norm. Those guys won the lottery with their talent and opportunities and timing. Music, like anything else we try to do well in life, requires some education.

You can get a teacher or opt not to have one. Either way, a good theory book is necessary. Don't just use Phrygian as was discussed earlier. It is fine advice but it will only get you so far IMO. If you want to understand why things work and have an easier go at writing music, study theory in its entirety. The books I've listed are great, but there are be plenty of others to choose from too. It isn't rocket science. It just requires some patience, application, and effort. That's it!

If you ARE just going to use the Phrygian tip, remember the relationship between the notes. CM (M=major, m=minor) scale is easiest because there are no accidentals involved -- meaning there are no sharps or flats to deal with. Everyone knows the major scale -- do re mi fa so la ti do. We've hummed that since our youth. If you transcribe that to guitar, you'd have the following intervals after the starting (root/tonic) note: whole, whole, half, whole, whole, whole, half (WWHWWWH). If you did this correctly, you should end up back at your tonic, just an octave up. This scale, known as the Major Scale, is also known as the Ionian Mode (Note that not all modes are scales, and not all scales are modes).

All modes are then is playing within the interval pattern of the Major Scale. If you are playing in the C-Major Scale, and play D within the modes, you will be playing Dm Dorian. Anyways, back to what I'm writing ... The first mode, the Ionian Mode/Major Scale is listed as the I (upper case Roman numeral means it is a Major interval. Lower means a minor interval). The second mode, called Dorian Mode, is a minor interval and is listed as ii. This designation of "minor interval" means that the sound of the mode is very close to what we call the Natural Minor Scale, which is the 6th mode (Aeolian). What makes any scale or mode minor is based solely on the third note of the scale. Using the Major Scale, anytime we flatten the third, we create a minor interval. The Dorian Mode looks like this: WHWWWHW.

Notice a pattern? Yup, the Dorian Mode just starts on the second note of the Ionian Mode. Here are the rest of the modes:

Phrygian (iii) HWWWHWW
Lydian (IV) WWWHWW
Mixolydian (V) WWHWWHW
Aeolian (vi) WHWWHWW
Locrian (either depending on what you do to a few notes) HWWHWWH

Locrian is a mode, but not really used in popular music. More so, it can be found in classical music, as well as avant garde and art styles. I can't do diddly squat with that mode. Play it and you'll see why.

Do you know your Pentatonic Minor scale? That scale is comprised from your Aeolian Mode, without the 2nd and 6th notes. The Major Pentatonic is your Ionian Mode, minus the 4th and 7th notes. That scale, if you play it to the octave and were counting out eighth notes, is your, "My Girl" progression.

Confused? Good. Get a book. They will better prepare you for understanding the basics (in a few chapters), before diving into such complications.

One more thing. Ever wonder why the ii chord in a Major Scale progression is minor at the very least? If you were in the key of C and playing a I chord (CM), the notes you would have would be the Tonic, 3rd (E), and 5th (G). The next note in our Major Scale in the key of C is D, or the ii chord. We know this note is minor because there is a flatted third in the scale. We also know it is a minor interval by the way it sounds to our ears. All you have to do to know what notes makeup the ii chord, is to move all the notes from you previous chord (CM/I chord) up one note. The C would become a D, the E an F, and the G would become an A. Notice you are only moving up to the next note in that key's Major Scale pattern. When you play these notes as a chord on your guitar you have a Dm chord. Look at your 3rd note, the F. Normally, a D chord would need a third that was a F#/Gb for it to be a major sounding chord. Yet, keeping in line with our scale that we are in, the ii chord/second note of the C-Major Scale is minor. Interesting how this works, isn't it?

I think this should suffice for the moment. Don't even get me started on the 7th chord. Too much to digest perhaps ...

Learn theory! IT IS USEFUL! May the force be with you my friend ...

:rock:
 
glassjaw7":2s3g6t9v said:
There are several ways you can go about learning these.

If you want to get a grasp on theory and learn all the notes across the fretboard then I suggest starting with the C major scale and learning it every position. The key of C has no flats or sharps, so it's a great place to start. C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C

Once you learn that, you can start flatting your thirds, sixths and sevenths for natural minor, or your thirds and sevenths for Pentatonic Minor, or whatever you want.

Seeing as how you play in drop D a lot and are into metal stuff, you could start with the D melodic minor scale and learn it all over the neck. It would flow well as far as adding lead parts to open D aggressive rhythm chugging stuff. :thumbsup: Key of D major has an F# and C#, with the rest natural, while D minor is D, E, F, G, A, A# (or Bb) C.

It can be very overwhelming at first, but once you learn your Major scale in one key, the rest just falls into place. One very important and helpful thing to keep in mind, is that the first mode; the Ionian mode is the Major scale. Same thing. A lot of people get stuck on the "modes" concept but the theory behind them is really simple.

In fact, all the modes are the Major scale, but starting from the different notes in order.

So basically what I'm saying is that C Ionian/Major = D Dorian = E Phrygian = F Lydian = G Mixolydian = A Aeolian = B Locrian. If you're playing in any of these modes/scales, you're actually playing all the same notes as C major, just with a different root note. For example F Lydian resolves or is rooted in F, but the notes are the exact same as the C major/Ionian scale: C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C, no sharps or flats.

(Aeolian is also the same as the natural minor scale, and A Aeolian/Minor is the relative minor to C major)

If you need help feel free to pm me. :)
Jordan



Yeah, I know that's a lot info, but just start with C major and you'll have the basis for everything under your belt! This site is a great place to start.

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/gu...LL&scch=C&scchnam=Major&get2=Get&t=0&choice=3
Great advice.

And ya, hooking up with Carl Roa is another option - Carl's good people.

The website: http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/ posted above is one I frequent almost daily in figuring out neat sounds and the like.

Honestly, there's a lot of stuff out there, but the thing is - practice slowly, practice with no gain or effects, get your timing down - I'm not saying don't crank the snot outta yer rig for fun, hell no, it's all about having fun. But the dealio is taking time and practising precision is key in getting faster over time. Get sloppy too soon in the process and bad habits are hard to break. I know - I have a lot of them that I'm trying to re-learn/de-teach out of my system.

As for 'pstar', this cat's the real deal - I knew his band when it was full throttle back in the day - they were good. Very good. And put on a helluva show not to mention usually sold out venues (and pretty decent sizes at that!). So he knows what he's talking about...

Peace,
Mo
 
Gooseman":bnkxv4fp said:
You may not need a music teacher, but you DO need a good theory book. This will help you understand what are scales, what modes are (not the same as scales, technically), chord theory, chord extensions, etc.

Don't waste anymore time. A REALLY GOOD theory book is The Idiot's Guide To Music Theory. Any of the Real Book theory books also are good.

With theory, you will learn how to play more rhythmically, while keeping intervals in mind. At the end of the day, you'll learn that you can use all of the 12 notes available -- the real art is knowing WHEN and HOW to use them.

Have you ever wondered what the relationship is between a CM chord and a Dm chord? With theory you'll learn why a Dm follows a CM chord naturally. Things will begin to become more clear. Your job will be to devote as much time studying theory as you do playing guitar. That is the hard part. Theory also demystifies chord structure in music, and why most pop songs follow certain chord structures. You'll also learn why these structures make songs sound good, and learn how to use these structures and organizations to create well-placed TENSIONS in your writing.

Good luck! :rock:

is this the book your talking about??? https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Complete-Id ... 5d2e2bd332
and thanks guys for all teh help.. everyone so far has been super helpful.. some of it when i read it im like HUH??? but in time!!!! and i should practice with a metronome and very slow... whats a good speed to start on..???? thanks
 
Here are a couple of cool videos. They will show you what the different modes sound like. Mess around with this until you can get with a good teacher, book, ect...

Part One:



Part Two:
 
Any speed where you can play well over. The key isn't being the fastest gunman in town. The key is developing good technique and proper timing. You want to hear the rhythms available and be able to switch to whatever rhythm necessary to make your music interesting. Quads, to triplets, to whatever.
 
Yes, that's the book. Excellent book on theory. Breaks down everything in a manner that is easy to digest for people new to theory.
 
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