Bob Savage":1j10ennm said:What's a GT?
Sounds like you might be in the market for an LP.
Bob Savage":2sm8v57p said:
I kept it. If you buy online (you have more options) find a retailer who has a return policy.
Schaf":lmwoj8y0 said:Have Chris Snyder send you one of his. He doesn't need it. He's playing drums. I tried to get him to send them to me while they weren't in use, but he didn't think it was a good idea. As a matter of fact, he didn't even think it was funny.
Shawn Lutz":lmwoj8y0 said:Historic's are Gibson USA Custom Shop recreations of original (closer than production models but not 100% spot on as the originals) R8 is plain top 1958 standard model, R9 a flametop 1959, R7 a 57 Custom etc etc.
I wouldnt concern myself too much with chambering if the guitar has sweet tone. I prefer heavier guitars but I like mahogany/maple top bodies. A lot of the historics are chambered (bigtime) and come in around 8-9 lbs. Some of the modern weight relieved 2012 standards weigh ovev 9 lbs. My traditional with the old school swiss cheese weight relief weighs 9.6. The new 2012 trads have no weight relief and are weighing in the same 9-10lb range. Its the density of the wood
I also say buy used to save some money. I couldnt find a used R8 for 2k when I bought one but they do pop up from time to time. I bought my trad + used when they were $2200+ out the door in stores, I got it for it $1875 shipped. I took a gamble buying with out playing but felt at the time I got a good enough deal I could easily get my money back if I didn't like it so the risk was minimal but the reward was great
Mailman1971":398m3lrv said:Yeah Bob.....I too wanted to love a Les Paul. Did the merry go round like Jcj did 3 times....But I owned 10 of them and just didnt gel. I am a glutton for punishment I suppose. Super strats all the way for me.
Oh Cool. I feel ya on this. I go back and forth with wanting to get another SG. Had a few of them thru the years. Angus one of my inspirations....yet when I play them.....neck just feels too thick/heavy for the guitar. They never stick around long. But I still want another one.Bob Savage":28r9erfm said:Mailman1971":28r9erfm said:Yeah Bob.....I too wanted to love a Les Paul. Did the merry go round like Jcj did 3 times....But I owned 10 of them and just didnt gel. I am a glutton for punishment I suppose. Super strats all the way for me.
Well, I owned a black custom (pretty sure it was a custom) around 81/82, so I figure it's time to try it out again.
sah5150":29n8yoht said:I want one of these now:
Steve
stratotone":1xusjezv said:What probably has most people freaked about gibson weight relief is that when they weight relieve a guitar, they drill plugs out of it:
And if it's chambered, then it's more like this:
I have a PRS and three Tom Andersons that are Chambered - great guitars, very light, and the attack is compressed a bit. I dig em! I think my Les Pauls are both weight relieved, doesn't bother me but I didn't pay extra on those like I did on the Andersons for chambering. I'd be pissed if I paid a premium for chambering and some guy was taking a saw used to cut doorknob holes into a guitar body before a lam top was glued on.
stratotone":1xusjezv said:
jcj":1xusjezv said:
$549 new for satin finish, $799 gloss. Mine has damn near perfect fretwork and is built well, I was surprised. I figured I was going to suffer at that price point.
Bob Savage":ksrtdueb said:
Bob Savage":3pb10pm8 said:Schaf":3pb10pm8 said:Have Chris Snyder send you one of his. He doesn't need it. He's playing drums. I tried to get him to send them to me while they weren't in use, but he didn't think it was a good idea. As a matter of fact, he didn't even think it was funny.
Heh! Chris said to find a nice LP Studio and save my cash for other things. Hmmm...
Shawn Lutz":3pb10pm8 said:Historic's are Gibson USA Custom Shop recreations of original (closer than production models but not 100% spot on as the originals) R8 is plain top 1958 standard model, R9 a flametop 1959, R7 a 57 Custom etc etc.
I wouldnt concern myself too much with chambering if the guitar has sweet tone. I prefer heavier guitars but I like mahogany/maple top bodies. A lot of the historics are chambered (bigtime) and come in around 8-9 lbs. Some of the modern weight relieved 2012 standards weigh ovev 9 lbs. My traditional with the old school swiss cheese weight relief weighs 9.6. The new 2012 trads have no weight relief and are weighing in the same 9-10lb range. Its the density of the wood
I also say buy used to save some money. I couldnt find a used R8 for 2k when I bought one but they do pop up from time to time. I bought my trad + used when they were $2200+ out the door in stores, I got it for it $1875 shipped. I took a gamble buying with out playing but felt at the time I got a good enough deal I could easily get my money back if I didn't like it so the risk was minimal but the reward was great
Yeah, $2k is definitely higher than I want to go. I'm really concerned about buying something sight unseen so what I'll probably do is hit up a bunch of shops in LA and find something that rocks my world.
So you're saying the 2012 trads have no weight relief? Not even chambering? That's definitely not what I've found in my reading online. Really, I don't care about weight relief or chambering if the guitar is a good one, but nonetheless the weight relief/chambering topic is a very confusing one, and obviously one with a lot of misinformation out there because you get different stories depending on who you ask. Glad it doesn't matter much to me...
The 2013 Traditionals are supposed to be "solid" meaning no weight relief. all 2012 Traditionals have swiss cheese holes. The 2012 Standard has the new modern chambering.
Shawn Lutz":1xhslvze said:no, 2013's sorry that is a typo...I own a 2012