In LA - Cameron CCV, Axe FX2, Rolling Tape, Look Out

[OUTLAW1969]

Chinese Tubes?

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Nope, Chinese tranny

 

[freeballinusa]

Bump!

 

[katsumura78]

Bump. Any updates on the Axe II ?

 

[freeballinusa]

Does the CCV have an axe 2 setting?

 

[King Guitar]

Bump. Any updates on the Axe II ?

Pete Thorn came by yesterday and borrowed the Axe 2 to make some clips which will be up soon. Mark Day has it today and is writing patches for it.

 

[glpg80]

I don't care for Marks tone in the first clip. Sounds like a POD with all of that mid-range Playing was great as usual.

The second clip was nice, but I still didn't care for the latter part with added gain.


I have come to the conclusion that digital modeling sounds best with clean type tones. Once any real gain is added, it tends to sound processed. Of course there are exceptions to everything...

Well put, I agree!

Yeah, I really like all the clean clips I've heard so far, but I still haven't heard a distorted tone that I like. All the clips seem too smooth not enough hair.

+1 i agree with all of this, plus the fact it has no actual real tube amp "give" - just sounds overly processed.

the effects sound killer though, i like the effects more in this model than previous ones for some reason?

 

[glip22]

Bump. Any updates on the Axe II ?

Pete Thorn came by yesterday and borrowed the Axe 2 to make some clips which will be up soon. Mark Day has it today and is writing patches for it.

Did anything come of the CCV day on Monday? Any new clips from Mark on the CCV and Friedman?
Thanks Brad. Looking forward to the amp. I hope it happens soon.

 

[ttosh]

bump for the following with the CCV if possible.

1) Low/Mid gain edge of breakup tones.
2) Some more high gain tones with an FX unit in loop and an A/B with loop engaged and off to hear loop coloring.
3) Also to go with #2 take the amp through the gain ranges in increments to get a feel for the gain taper.

I know you guys are kicking butt and getting stuff done. But for me in my decision making process this would help greatly.

 

[rupe]

it has no actual real tube amp "give" - just sounds overly processed.

I consider "give" a feel thing which would be unnoticable in a clip...what are you referring to?
As for "give" from a feel perspective, my Ultra had plenty of it...it responded dynamically in a very similar manner to the real thing, especially with aftermarket IRs. That said, many "modern voiced" tube amps have no give either...two that come to mind are the Uber and the VHT UL...very stiff and untubelike in my experience (but they sound great in the right application...just like an Axe IMO).

 

[ejecta]

it has no actual real tube amp "give" - just sounds overly processed.

I consider "give" a feel thing which would be unnoticable in a clip...what are you referring to?
As for "give" from a feel perspective, my Ultra had plenty of it...it responded dynamically in a very similar manner to the real thing, especially with aftermarket IRs. That said, many "modern voiced" tube amps have no give either...two that come to mind are the Uber and the VHT UL...very stiff and untubelike in my experience (but they sound great in the right application...just like an Axe IMO).

Good points and I'd like to add a majority of the coveted amps around here are so compressed that they sound in a lot of ways "overly processed" as well. None of those amps IMHO even come close to being what would be considered "open and organic".

 

[glpg80]

it has no actual real tube amp "give" - just sounds overly processed.

I consider "give" a feel thing which would be unnoticable in a clip...what are you referring to?
As for "give" from a feel perspective, my Ultra had plenty of it...it responded dynamically in a very similar manner to the real thing, especially with aftermarket IRs. That said, many "modern voiced" tube amps have no give either...two that come to mind are the Uber and the VHT UL...very stiff and untubelike in my experience (but they sound great in the right application...just like an Axe IMO).

sounds like its on 10 all the time, IE no dynamics. and yes you can very well tell through a clip. every axe-fx or modeling anything has never had true dynamics. as a matter of fact, one of dave's modded marshalls acted like there was a substancial ducking attitude to the give of the amplifier contributing to the sound of no dynamics. James Lugo himself said this right here on rig-talk. Dave replied that i was exactly how it sounded/played in real life. so your assumption that you cant tell through a clip is useless, you very well can tell, you just have to be able to hear it based on what you are seeing from the user playing the instrument to make that call. without any experience in feeling a tough fighting amplifier vs. a loose non-dynamic amplifier, you wouldnt really know what to look for in general so that is a mute point over a text based BBS forum.

i like an amp that gives a fight with high gain. but i also like an amp that plays itself ALA the axe-fx II or the 5150 III for solo tracking, it makes it so much easier to play without loading it down with a shit ton of effects.

 

[rupe]

it has no actual real tube amp "give" - just sounds overly processed.

I consider "give" a feel thing which would be unnoticable in a clip...what are you referring to?
As for "give" from a feel perspective, my Ultra had plenty of it...it responded dynamically in a very similar manner to the real thing, especially with aftermarket IRs. That said, many "modern voiced" tube amps have no give either...two that come to mind are the Uber and the VHT UL...very stiff and untubelike in my experience (but they sound great in the right application...just like an Axe IMO).

sounds like its on 10 all the time, IE no dynamics. and yes you can very well tell through a clip. every axe-fx or modeling anything has never had true dynamics. as a matter of fact, one of dave's modded marshalls acted like there was a substancial ducking attitude to the give of the amplifier contributing to the sound of no dynamics. James Lugo himself said this right here on rig-talk. Dave replied that i was exactly how it sounded/played in real life. so your assumption that you cant tell through a clip is useless, you very well can tell, you just have to be able to hear it based on what you are seeing from the user playing the instrument to make that call. without any experience in feeling a tough fighting amplifier vs. a loose non-dynamic amplifier, you wouldnt really know what to look for in general so that is a mute point over a text based BBS forum.

i like an amp that gives a fight with high gain. but i also like an amp that plays itself ALA the axe-fx II or the 5150 III for solo tracking, it makes it so much easier to play without loading it down with a shit ton of effects.

I'm talking about power supply sag which is what it typically referred to as "give" with the vintage amp crowd...not sure what you're getting at, but I'm quite sure that my assumption remains "useful" given what I was referring to.

I find your comment that the Axe has never had "true dynamics" interesting...what is a true dynamic? As far as playing dynamics are concerned, I'll repeat that the Axe can respond very much like a classic tube amp when using the appropriate models and settings.

 

[kasperjensen]

Would it be possible to hear the difference between the Axe FX Cameron sim, and the actual head?

I.e. Run them both bone dry, Dials at noon.
Axe into the power section of the Cameron...

Or is it not meant to work like that?

Just asking, not being a smartass.

 

[King Guitar]

I would like to hear the tone difference between the CCV, The Axe 2, a Moose in heat, a Jet Ski and Mike Tyson's signing voice. Close mic'd with a torn Tandy stereo speaker, and a set of Beats headphones. That would be bitchin...

j/k we are working on it, in the factory now finalizing things. Hopefully more clips Saturday.

 

[J.B.]

I would like to hear the tone difference between the CCV, The Axe 2, A Moose in heat, a Jet Ski and Mike Tyson's signing voice. Close mic's with a Tandy stereo speaker, and a set of Beats headphones. That would be bitchin...

Are moose in heat this time of year? You might have to wait til fall.

 

[OUTLAW1969]

And you can hear Tyson's singing voice in the new "Hangover II" movie

 

[ttosh]

Would it be possible to hear the difference between the Axe FX Cameron sim, and the actual head?

I.e. Run them both bone dry, Dials at noon.
Axe into the power section of the Cameron...

Or is it not meant to work like that?

Just asking, not being a smartass.

Pete Thorn did a Clip of the Axe FX Marsha sim against the real deal. No effects just the amp sim and amp. They were very close tonally in the clip. I believe he stated they did not feel quite the same, but tonally it was very hard to pick out. The thread is on the gear page, all 32+ pages of it.

 

[Chubtone]

a Moose in heat,

I knew there was a reason Mark Day was a necessary part of this equation. Only a Canadian would have that tone etched into his mind. And to apply it to an amplifier design? Brilliant

 

[lester]

I would like to hear the tone difference between the CCV, The Axe 2, a Moose in heat, a Jet Ski and Mike Tyson's signing voice. Close mic'd with a torn Tandy stereo speaker, and a set of Beats headphones. That would be bitchin...

 

[kasperjensen]

Fair enough. Point taken.