Introducing The Axe-Fx™ II.....

[Rogue]

(acting) "like Nazis, censorship, altering people posts, and banning for really stupid reasons."

I don't know about all that, but banning because you don't like what is being said is right there. That said, the fractal police aren't the only group of butthurt folks in the world.

 

[stephen sawall]

I can't figure out if this is good or bad (maybe a little pathetic).

Welcome to Rig Talk .....

The rules here are a little different..... if someone throws a rock at you here you can duck, take it in the face or run away. Many of us like playing by these rules .... it is a little more honest in some ways.

.... and thanks for the TORPEDO PI-FREE .... looking forward to checking it out.

Here is the link for the rest of you ....

http://www.two-notes.com/en/software/torpedo-pi-free/

 

[shred-o-holic]

I don't really have a problem with a specific person at the fractal forums but I don't understand what is and isn't an on-topic subject over there. I have seen many direct references to the Axe-Fx in threads and alot of them end up in the off-topic lounge. It is a valuable resource for firmware upgrades and news about their products but at the same time it's confusing and frustrating to read and/or post over there at times.

 

[Scott Peterson]

(acting) "like Nazis, censorship, altering people posts, and banning for really stupid reasons."

I don't know about all that, but banning because you don't like what is being said is right there. That said, the fractal police aren't the only group of butthurt folks in the world.

I have banned spammers and spam bots from the Fractal forum. But no people; that's the admin's job. I volunteer mod over there from time to time. I don't run the show on that board. Not my house.

Reality is that you have to be a pretty big asshole to end up getting banned from TGP. We don't ban folks that hold different opinions than we do; we ban folks that cannot control the manner they disagree in. Case in point, go read all the butthurt there now about the Fractal Gen2 box. I haven't said boo to any of them. I've not even nary a post at all in any of those threads. How many of them are banned? How many have warnings or PM's from moderators? None. If I was such the hard ass Nazi Fractal fan boi shill, you'd think I'd be banning and deleting and censoring just like all the clowns earlier on this thread said I do and you imply here in my quoted post from you. Yet... it really doesn't work that way. More BS.

If you honestly want to understand or know the truth about anything related to me, just ask me privately. I am not hard to find, and am not the asshole I'm made out to be. I can be an asshole, but I'm rarely the aggressor. The shit some guys post and believe is pretty silly. I mean, these are discussion forums. Words on a screen. It's not that serious a business; but for all the humor I supposedly lack... a lot of this stuff is pretty damn funny because it just absolutely is so far off the mark.

 

[Spaceboy]

You're typing a whole lot for something you repeatedly dismiss as not serious. Just sayin'.

 

[Rogue]

Reality is that you have to be a pretty big asshole to end up getting banned from TGP. We don't ban folks that hold different opinions than we do; we ban folks that cannot control the manner they disagree in.

Yes, asking people to provide evidence for their claims and/or providing information that clearly contradicts the famous "you can't really have an opinion of it until you've played it" line on reasoning is, of course, considered a disfavored "manner in which they disagree".

It is quite okay for you, and others, to yell "axeFX bashers", but whine when asked to show who the bashers were and what they said. It's also quite okay for you, and others, to claim an opinion on a piece of gear isn't entirely thorough unless one has played it, but whine when someone asked these folks why they believe their gear (AxeFX) sounds better than gear (other modelers) they've never played, or how the AxeFX can sound as good as an amp they've never played before.

I have found in internet land that the most reactive are usually the ones most sensitive about a subject. That goes well beyond AxeFX police. And really what makes internet land an interesting place, I suppose.

And yeah, we probably would enjoy a beer together, and probably have a fun discussion about gear in person. Internet land is kind of funny that way.

 

[Scott Peterson]

You're typing a whole lot for something you repeatedly dismiss as not serious. Just sayin'.

Not really. I just type fast.

Reality is that you have to be a pretty big asshole to end up getting banned from TGP. We don't ban folks that hold different opinions than we do; we ban folks that cannot control the manner they disagree in.

Yes, asking people to provide evidence for their claims and/or providing information that clearly contradicts the famous "you can't really have an opinion of it until you've played it" line on reasoning is, of course, considered a disfavored "manner in which they disagree".

It is quite okay for you, and others, to yell "axeFX bashers", but whine when asked to show who the bashers were and what they said. It's also quite okay for you, and others, to claim an opinion on a piece of gear isn't entirely thorough unless one has played it, but whine when someone asked these folks why they believe their gear (AxeFX) sounds better than gear (other modelers) they've never played, or how the AxeFX can sound as good as an amp they've never played before.

I have found in internet land that the most reactive are usually the ones most sensitive about a subject. That goes well beyond AxeFX police. And really what makes internet land an interesting place, I suppose.

And yeah, we probably would enjoy a beer together, and probably have a fun discussion about gear in person. Internet land is kind of funny that way.

Blah blah blah... beer together.... ahh. Now you are talking.

You can have any opinion you want. You can share it all you want. No issue here, even if I disagree. But I'll tell you I disagree. When I see guys preach to someone that actually has used something about something they have never tried but 'heard clips of' well, sorry, I'm not going to give it much credence and I'll call BS on it.

For the record, I don't 'yell' "Axe-FX bashers!" and I don't whine about anything. I just am not afraid to call bullshit when I see it. That pisses some guys off, they make their e-cred up on total bull shit. So it goes...

 

[Ventura]

Well Scott, I guess all in all, thanks for spending some time over here in our 'hood.

Now do us all a favor and tell Cliff to start acting 'big' and get some serious f*ckin' production underway - BIG production!! Hungry DAWs want the buzz man

Peace,
Mo

 

[vultures]

Can I have a free Axe-FX?

 

[guillaume_pille]

Hi Stephen,

I don't want to interefere with the main topic here, there is a topic about the PI-FREE on this forum that everybody can find with the search engine.

 

[Deleted member 3860]

Well Scott, I guess all in all, thanks for spending some time over here in our 'hood.

Now do us all a favor and tell Cliff to start acting 'big' and get some serious f*ckin' production underway - BIG production!! Hungry DAWs want the buzz man

Peace,
Mo

I have a theory why the AFXII is only trickling out to the unwashed masses.
Axe Edit 1.0 isn't fully ready yet.

AFXII - check
MFC101 firmware update to play nicely with AFXII - check
Axe Edit 1.0 (.9xx betas don't recognize the II) - uncheck
Fractal states the betas aren't supported by FAS. When it comes out of beta Fractal will have to fully recognize and support it.

If only a few dozen AFXII's are in circulation, the owners won't bitch out of a sense of gratitude for even having one. 500 units in circulation with no editor and all hell breaks loose.
Therefore, until editor version 1.0 is ready, I think AFXII's will be released slowly (which has a side benefit to Fractal, allowing them to build up a stock pile ready to satisfy the waiting lists when the editor is fully ready)

Of course, this is all just my observation/opinion. YMMV.

R~

 

[Ventura]

Well Scott, I guess all in all, thanks for spending some time over here in our 'hood.

Now do us all a favor and tell Cliff to start acting 'big' and get some serious f*ckin' production underway - BIG production!! Hungry DAWs want the buzz man

Peace,
Mo

I have a theory why the AFXII is only trickling out to the unwashed masses.
Axe Edit 1.0 isn't fully ready yet.

AFXII - check
MFC101 firmware update to play nicely with AFXII - check
Axe Edit 1.0 (.9xx betas don't recognize the II) - uncheck
Fractal states the betas aren't supported by FAS. When it comes out of beta Fractal will have to fully recognize and support it.

If only a few dozen AFXII's are in circulation, the owners won't bitch out of a sense of gratitude for even having one. 500 units in circulation with no editor and all hell breaks loose.
Therefore, until editor version 1.0 is ready, I think AFXII's will be released slowly (which has a side benefit to Fractal, allowing them to build up a stock pile ready to satisfy the waiting lists when the editor is fully ready)

Of course, this is all just my observation/opinion. YMMV.

R~

REGARDLESS of whether you're right or not, that is the MOST LOGICAL and PRAGMATIC explanation I've yet to hear or read as to why on earth they'd be botching shit up to the extent they are. I'll say this, out of all the cut off threads, unanswered valid questions, cloak and dagger mannerisms, this [your] postulation alone makes the most bloody sense I've come across yet.

Thanks, in some strange way, it actually relieved me to read this - surprised I didn't think of it myself - but ya, that's kinda the money bet right there, innit!?!?

Good post!!
V.

PS - and to Guillaume, you know, seriously, if I have one more conservative pressed shirt pocket padded sniveling poindexter mention the fact that the 'search function is very usefull in finding answers to questions such as yours', I swear, a small dirty bomb needs to be created and delviered.

 

[Spaceboy]

Well Scott, I guess all in all, thanks for spending some time over here in our 'hood.

Now do us all a favor and tell Cliff to start acting 'big' and get some serious f*ckin' production underway - BIG production!! Hungry DAWs want the buzz man

Peace,
Mo

I have a theory why the AFXII is only trickling out to the unwashed masses.
Axe Edit 1.0 isn't fully ready yet.

AFXII - check
MFC101 firmware update to play nicely with AFXII - check
Axe Edit 1.0 (.9xx betas don't recognize the II) - uncheck
Fractal states the betas aren't supported by FAS. When it comes out of beta Fractal will have to fully recognize and support it.

If only a few dozen AFXII's are in circulation, the owners won't bitch out of a sense of gratitude for even having one. 500 units in circulation with no editor and all hell breaks loose.
Therefore, until editor version 1.0 is ready, I think AFXII's will be released slowly (which has a side benefit to Fractal, allowing them to build up a stock pile ready to satisfy the waiting lists when the editor is fully ready)

Of course, this is all just my observation/opinion. YMMV.

R~

That makes entirely too much sense to expect from FAS.

If that was the plan, what would be the harm in informing the public? Some information, even if it's not what people want to hear, is much better than stringing everyone along and playing these waiting list and peekaboo availabiity games.

 

[Spaceboy]

Well, I had words with Cliff this afternoon through his message board, after he became irritated with some warranted criticism I posted, which was promptly deleted. I was perfectly lighthearted while Ventura and others were displaying problems with Fractal Audio, but now I completely understand where they're coming from. If I hadn't already pre-ordered through Tone Merchants, I would be offering an enormous "screw you" to FAS and would not be giving them a single dime. I still want an Axe FX 2, and I'm going to be ecstatic to receive mine through a company like TM instead of dealing directly with the manufacturer and it's egotistical owner.

 

[biggness]

Well, I had words with Cliff this afternoon through his message board, after he became irritated with some warranted criticism I posted, which was promptly deleted. I was perfectly lighthearted while Ventura and others were displaying problems with Fractal Audio, but now I completely understand where they're coming from. If I hadn't already pre-ordered through Tone Merchants, I would be offering an enormous "screw you" to FAS and would not be giving them a single dime. I still want an Axe FX 2, and I'm going to be ecstatic to receive mine through a company like TM instead of dealing directly with the manufacturer and it's egotistical owner.

Care to elaborate any? I must have missed it.

 

[Spaceboy]

Well, I had words with Cliff this afternoon through his message board, after he became irritated with some warranted criticism I posted, which was promptly deleted. I was perfectly lighthearted while Ventura and others were displaying problems with Fractal Audio, but now I completely understand where they're coming from. If I hadn't already pre-ordered through Tone Merchants, I would be offering an enormous "screw you" to FAS and would not be giving them a single dime. I still want an Axe FX 2, and I'm going to be ecstatic to receive mine through a company like TM instead of dealing directly with the manufacturer and it's egotistical owner.

Care to elaborate any? I must have missed it.

I don't want to stretch this out of proportion or anything, but I'm definitely cheesed about it. I've made a couple offhand comments about how poorly Fractal Audio was handling the Axe FX 2 demand, because right now there are people on the TM, G66, and FAS lists while others are able to purchase through the FAS store, and nobody knows what's going on. Cliff deleted my latest post and sent me a message threatening to suspend me if I made any more. I replied and explained what was bothering me, suggesting he open some communication with the public to ease all the tension. He responded telling that I had no right to demand communication and that I was (and this is a direct quote) "one of the people primarily responsible for [his] decision to no longer provide ANY communication regarding availability and the wait list".

I had no idea that I was that popular.

I did mentioned the "indignant whiners" incident, and I guess maybe that got under Cliff's skin, although I attempted to come across concerned, but polite. There are people who have been loyal FAS customers, spending thousands of dollars on these products, and he's going to withhold information because of a small group of understandably dissatisfied posters on the message board, and then say that these customers have no right to request communication. It's just completely childish, and although I understand it's a small boutique company and that he's busy and stressed at the moment, he has more than enough common sense to realize that you do not treat current or potential customers like this.

Those who have been having problems with the Axe FX 2 release or confusion about availability wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if Cliff simply came out and explained the delay in production, the purpose of the wait list, who has priority, etc. It would only take a few moments to write an announcement. He could even leave it at an apology for the delay, and that they're working quickly to get everybody who's on a list their units, and I'm sure that would settle many people's minds.

In the end, I've already ordered through Tone Merchants and shouldn't have any complaints. I'm patient and not worried about when my number will be called at all, but I've been noticing what others who are forced to go directly through FAS are going through, and it's a real shame. It should be obvious to anybody that things aren't operating very smoothly, and why there are many confused customers/fans. Eh, maybe I was being nosy.

I'm going to quit posting over there. I'm not banned yet, but after my last message it's a likely outcome. If I need any more Fractal Audio products, they will be purchased through Tone Merchants and not the manufacturer. It's really too bad that the Axe FX has a monopoly over high-end modelers, or I would be looking into another product entirely.

 

[brianj]

Wow...

Yeah, I agree though that communication is key...

Lol, I just want to know when TM is getting their units...!!! It wouldnt be much of a presale if it takes forever to get them! TM has been super cool though about keeping us informed, I appreciate that!

Brian

 

[gtr31]

I think people need to relax though the product has only been shipping 2 weeks .Cliff could have delayed 2 months and built up 1000 units but he didnt.

He basically has stated that EVERYONE who wants one will get one ,he is at the mercy of suppliers like evryone else.

order and Egnater M4 when they had a small shop ..you were waiting 6 months .order a Splawn today you are waiting 6-10 weeks ..How is this any different and its only been 2 weeks

 

[threadkiller]

I've never bought a fractal product and never posted on their website but based on what I've read it seems like a real clusterf*ck. I'm very suprised that somebody like Line 6 hasn't bought Fractal up. Not saying this would be good or bad, I'm just suprised it hasn't happened.

 

[stephen sawall]

I've never bought a fractal product and never posted on their website but based on what I've read it seems like a real clusterf*ck. I'm very suprised that somebody like Line 6 hasn't bought Fractal up. Not saying this would be good or bad, I'm just suprised it hasn't happened.

I do not think the customer base is big enough to justify that. In 5 years all of this and more will be on your phone .... something as big as a rack unit will be a thing of the past. If not five it will happen in ten.