IR Questions

[Sick Michael]

UPDATE:

Ok Ive gone down the rabbit hole. This is a nightmare. Literally thousands of the things. Most sound like shit.

However, I found one that I actually dig - its a G12h-30, which I'm totally not surprised about, as thats probably my favourite speaker. Wow, this actually sounds good, a little bit of EQ needed...but otherwise...its the only one. Ive been through Leon todds free ones, and as many others as I can find.

Im spent....for the life of me, Im done. Got the one I need. The end.

 

[Zado]

Try IRs they said.

It'll be fun they said.

 

[nightlight]

No. the point remains the same - if you know (in advance) you are playing a gig that is big enough to have a nice PA and you can get away with it, there's no reason to have the amp and cab in the first place.

Conversely, If you show up to a gig and it doesn't have a nice enough PA to support you with just a modeler (or a preamp plus a stompbox like the cab M as you mentioned) then you are going to need an amp either way.

Something like the cab M is a great piece of gear to give you some versatility if you are going to be playing gigs of wildly different room and venue sizes, but that's a rather rare and very specific situation, as I'm sure literally every single person who has experience gigging will attest. The problem is, it's just as "stompbox sized" as an sm57 and a big XLR cord, and the soundman is more likely to know what to do with the sm57.

This is the crux of the issue IRs and modelers face, and i'm trying to explain - you very, very rarely know in advance exactly how nice the PA and sound setup is going to be if you are actually out gigging and touring.

Either

1. You are playing small gigs in dive bars, small clubs, small outdoor festivals, or wineries (IE less than 100 people) and it's going to be impossible to make it work with an IR setup or a modeler. This is the vast majority of gigging guitar players, of all genres.

Or

2. You are going to be playing large clubs, small theaters, and places that you know the PA is going to be great, and you will have a dedicated soundman on hand. This isn't unheard of, but your band has to be at a pretty high level, you are bringing and running your own sound, or you aren't gigging at all but playing the same place (IE Church Worship etc) and you know exactly what the PA is going to be.


That's fine if you would rather take the Cab M+ as a "backup" or "auxiliary" device to have around. But to be sure you would be able to use it AT ALL means you would be bringing the PA too, which is the point youre commenting on.

I was referring to your earlier post about having to bring either an amp and cabinet or a PA system for loadout actually.

I'd look at the amp/cab/cabm solution as a lightweight hybrid rig. You can just mute or attenuate the signal to the cabinet while sending out a robust signal to FOH. Not a good PA system? Rely on the amp and cabinet. Good PA system? Use it for the heavy lifting via the CabM.

As someone else mentioned, the CabM will take the guesswork out of the micing process. With an amp, you get better tones than digital. And with a cabinet, you can move some air.

It's just one piece of equipment really. Another way is using a loadbox and an IR loader, but that's two pieces of gear. However, the benefit is a silent stage.

 

[DanTravis62]

the benefit is a silent stage.

If you think that's a benefit, we have very different ideas of how live music works

 

[DanTravis62]

As someone else mentioned, the CabM will take the guesswork out of the micing process.

Dude if you think you're more likely to find a soundman who is less likely to know how to mic up a cabinet with a 57 versus using IRs through the monitors, I have waterfront property in oklahoma to sell you

 

[Jakem]

I am awaiting for Friedman to release the IR Load on Q4 this year; stereo line outs for IRs so that You can have different IRs on both channels not forgetting the stereo power amp.