Is Synergy really that good?

I try not to think if it's spot on dead accurate of the original. I think of the modules as a slight variant of the original, maybe a slightly different flavor. But it's the real thing created by the real amp company, just maybe tweaked a little or maybe spot on, don't care as long as it sounds good and they sound good.

I was up to 11 amps and a Synergy Rig. I have 3 SYN-2's for a total of 6 modules I can switch between and they go into a KSR Power Amp, 100W 6L6's. Over several months I found myself playing the Synergy way more than my full heads, enough that I took 5 amps to a local store and put them on consignment.
 
At the same time, it seems like if you just wanted a couple of tones, and had the right power section to compromise between the two, you could create a solid rig
Absolutely. I should probably preface some of my posts by saying I'm a junkie for tonal variety.

It's not about getting bored easily (well maybe a bit), I've always just loved having access to tonnes of tones for both work & pleasure. I'm also very open to new tech, so I should be the perfect modeler customer... but nope.

Was hoping the Synergy system would be a good middle ground between stacks of amps and digital, but just didn't work out.

Hey what boutique Voxy stuff has hit the mark for you out of interest?
 
I've read some people think the modules sound better than the real amp. Of course, that would mean they are not identical in sound but close.
 
I've read some people think the modules sound better than the real amp. Of course, that would mean they are not identical in sound but close.

In general I find Synergy to sound tighter and clearer than comparable heads. It is more focused sounding. However, you can really say that about any rack system.
 
I have the 20IR and love it. I have been so inspired while playing. I never went into the Synergy stuff with the idea of trying to sound like those amps. I just wanted something that sounded good and at least captured the vibe and feel of these amps that in most cases, I never played before.

I'm not going to buy a ton of modules. I did my research and wanted bang for the buck and the SLO II really is flexible and sounds great. Got the Killer Kali yesterday to have a second amp as a backup or sorts and that smokes as well.

I used the SLO II on my band's studio recording and turned out great out of a mic'd speaker cab. I don't think anyone should look at the Synergy stuff as a replacement for their tube amps, especially if they already have those actual amps. For me it is a compact, great sounding tube amp.

I have tube, solid state and have had modelling over the years. Having those tubes in there, capturing the feel, is what I really like. If something sounds good, it sounds good. I think anyone getting Synergy amps with an open mind will be happy.
 
Yep for sure, a pushed Vox-style power section is pretty tricky to emulate.

This is why I moved away from Synergy, it usually felt like a compromise - unless you were pairing it with multiple power amps. And if you are doing that, using the original amp starts making a lot more sense.
agree. yet reciprocally i could create a dedicated rig by loading a syn-1 with the randall top boost module bruce modded for me, run it through my RT2/50 power amp in mono,

out to a decent AC30 2x12 cab and outclass a majority of the actual AC reissues and vintage examples i’ve played over the last decade.

not nearly as convenient or affordable as a used AC30 combo. synergy guys normally opt for multiple channels of great tone flexibility over committing the rig to one dedicated impeccable tone.
 
People are too hung up on if they sound like the amp they’re replicating. Most will not agree, but in my opinion, who gives a shit? They’re $400 for Christ sake, it’s better than paying $4000 thousand dollars dollars for a freaking head. I don’t even give a shit if they get 75% of what they’re supposed to sound like. They sound good and they’re fun to play.
 
Absolutely. I should probably preface some of my posts by saying I'm a junkie for tonal variety.

It's not about getting bored easily (well maybe a bit), I've always just loved having access to tonnes of tones for both work & pleasure. I'm also very open to new tech, so I should be the perfect modeler customer... but nope.

Was hoping the Synergy system would be a good middle ground between stacks of amps and digital, but just didn't work out.

Hey what boutique Voxy stuff has hit the mark for you out of interest?

Oh man there's a bunch of them

For "good deal stuff":

The aforementioned Dr Z Maz - the 18 if you want power amp saturation and the 36 if you want more thump and headroom. They are one of the most versatile amps I've ever played.

The JMI reissue ac30s are stellar but the word is out and they're getting expensive - still fall under this section though.

Similarly the korg 90s tbx amps are solid


Brian Gerhard at tophat does the King Royale and Club Royale which are unbelievably nice sounding, and for some reason don't command the premium that others do - they are a bit "softer" sounding and easier dial in and to play, and many players prefer them because of it

The Bad Cat Black cat can be gotten for much cheaper than a vintage vox and is very close, just a little bit more focus in the midrange

For the "God tier but youll pay for it":

Matchless. The HC30, SC30, and DC30 are the closest you can get to a vintage vox without the repair bill, but you'll pay for it.

If you're more about the top boost sound, or the gainier side of that tone, there's one matchless that is the Lord and master of all the others, and that's the 6SH7 clubman of the early 90s. (They changed the preamp in the mid 90s because they couldn't find enough tubes)

They are tough to find but most connoisseurs will say they are even better than a classic C30, and I've owned one and completely agree.

If you can find them, the Mark Sampson branded C30 is top tier too.

Hayseed makes an absolutely stunning ac30 but they are difficult to find. Same with lazy J. So generally when you find them, you'll pay for it.

Stay away from Morgan, his build quality is complete shit and hes a ripoff artist - he's capable of making nice amps but he basically only makes them for people he wants to impress or rock stars.

Basically it depends on budget and which lane you want to get into - if you're a gigging player, many like the korgs because they get close for cheap, tophats because they're more forgiving and easier to dial in live, or DC30 amps because they're bulletproof and give you the goods.

For recording or hobbyist purposes, many like the early 90s Sampson era matchless stuff, hayseed or lazy J for getting "the exact sound" at any price but don't wanna deal with the vintage repair bill. Or, if they want the vox sound as an option but want to be able to get marshally live they will go for something like the Maz.

There's a million different flavors and variations of this and I've owned, played, and fucked around with most of em
 
People are too hung up on if they sound like the amp they’re replicating. Most will not agree, but in my opinion, who gives a shit? They’re $400 for Christ sake, it’s better than paying $4000 thousand dollars dollars for a freaking head. I don’t even give a shit if they get 75% of what they’re supposed to sound like. They sound good and they’re fun to play.
Every bit as much as you don't care...I care that much. But the beautiful thing is it doesn't matter if one of us cares or not. I think the OP and others that consider the switch have to figure out if they care. And those of us that have played it....especially back to back with the comparable amp are here to help those wondering have the information so they can make a decision on the importance
 
The Bad Cat Black cat can be gotten for much cheaper than a vintage vox and is very close, just a little bit more focus in the midrange

From what I understand (according to a Palen Music demo) the Mod Shop Black Cat 30 is supposed to be even more Voxxy than the Black Cat 20.
 
I think we all wish there was a better way to have all the amps we want. If modelers were the answer-and they really will be in 5, 10, or 20 years im sure-I would jump on that shit.

I never really thought synergy sounded like that cool of an idea. It seemed kind of like a 8 track..like the past. But i played it, and it was very fun. If I hadn't played it back to back with the amp, i may have had a different thought process. But it really is a good product. It just isn't there with the real amp.
And they are making a new setup where the power amp is in the module, i believe.

But right now, for me, the most important thing for me is that I have the best amp I can. My amp has not been beaten out by anything yet, though.many of the amps I have tried could easily be forever amps.

If I wanted variety over quality, I would think differently, and if I wanted convenience over feel, I would be down.

I will try a synergy with a matching power amp soon and report back. I am very excited and optomistic.
 
I try not to think if it's spot on dead accurate of the original. I think of the modules as a slight variant of the original, maybe a slightly different flavor. But it's the real thing created by the real amp company, just maybe tweaked a little or maybe spot on, don't care as long as it sounds good and they sound good.

I was up to 11 amps and a Synergy Rig. I have 3 SYN-2's for a total of 6 modules I can switch between and they go into a KSR Power Amp, 100W 6L6's. Over several months I found myself playing the Synergy way more than my full heads, enough that I took 5 amps to a local store and put them on consignment.
I'm currently running my SYN-2 into a Fryette 2/90/2, and have been thinking about getting the KSR as a second option. My understanding is that they can run 6L6 or EL34 correct? Have you compared the KSR to any other power amps?

For the record, the Uberschall module sent my UU packing. I can't say the same thing about every module I've tried, but there are some gems for sure. Never owned the Engl Powerball II head, but I like the module more than the Fireball 100 I used to own. Flipped the Savage module fast though. Really want to try the Killer Kali, as I have owned the Fortin Cali 50w in the past and thought it was a great amp.
 
They sound killer and are fun as hell to play. Just don't play them back to back with original
I just bought an AM4 that does this perfectly and it cost me $700. With Synergy it’s $1000 to get an empty 50w amp head where each channel will cost me $400. That’s a used SLO100 or XTC. Nah, I might be interested if it were half the price.
 
Lots of threads around that have some good info, these two are worth a read:


This has come up many times, and you're take is accurate.

In a recent thread we were discussing (some would say I was complaining!) that there seems to be a new trend of power amp denial. According to their marketing or even something more intrinsic about their product, the claim that a preamp paired with a very different power, or none at all, will sound like the complete amp it is aiming to replicate seems rich.


Assumption 100% correct.


Yep....unless you pair them with the right power section, then they get much closer.

e.g. their 800 module through that 1RU 5050 power amp thing, underwhelming. Through something beefy and Marshall-voiced = pretty fun.

Great post. I like that term " power amp denial"

Power amp just can't be denied and maybe that is why the new AI poweramp tech they are bringing out with the Wampler and Friedman Powerload might help bridge that but still not perfect unless they plan to go make Digital poweramp maps of all the various power sections out there. So yeah, a clip of a Syn-1 and 6505 module into the power section of a 5150 is going to sound almost spot on or the difference between two diff 5150's maybe. So as the power sections vary more and you need more sag or more openess etc etc..something like a Dr. Z or a Vox will def be more noticeable and won't be as open or too overdriven. I have a Jaded Faith VOX and it is really good, but it isn't that close to my AC30. It is however, still pretty damn cool. So really depends how picky you are.
 
I'm currently running my SYN-2 into a Fryette 2/90/2, and have been thinking about getting the KSR as a second option. My understanding is that they can run 6L6 or EL34 correct? Have you compared the KSR to any other power amps?

For the record, the Uberschall module sent my UU packing. I can't say the same thing about every module I've tried, but there are some gems for sure. Never owned the Engl Powerball II head, but I like the module more than the Fireball 100 I used to own. Flipped the Savage module fast though. Really want to try the Killer Kali, as I have owned the Fortin Cali 50w in the past and thought it was a great amp.
Yes the KSR will take either of those. I don’t have many to compare to, never had a Mesa or Marshall power amp. I used to have a Carvin T100 and mosphet solid state.
The KSR is an excellent amp though. The NFB plus depth and presence make it very versatile.
 
In my quest to downsize, I've gotten myself down to three amps that I've determined as "the ones to keep". All three a 1/2 stacks and take up considerable real estate. Eventually, I was going to shoot out those three against each other and probably get down to one. Then I thought maybe a Synergy set up would be a good compromise but are they really as good as the hype?
I'm right with you on this one. I have the Tone King pedal, and it's so great I figured I'd get the 20IR and do some downsizing. We'll see how it goes!
 
I'm right with you on this one. I have the Tone King pedal, and it's so great I figured I'd get the 20IR and do some downsizing. We'll see how it goes!
I m in the same boat , waiting for the Royalist pedal and may be add the 20IR with a KK module . I already have IR-X that i love .
 
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