Israeli Weapons and How to Boil Water at High Elevation

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Now I guess you could argue that since we give military and financial aid to the Israeli government that your taxes funded that, but by that logic you can say the same thing about anything in any country that receives aid from the US.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Well it's most likely an A2 style M4 ( M16). And it is most likely privately owned or provided by the Isreali government to arm civilian militias.
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I thought that's just an AR with different fire modes or is there something more?

Floyd Eye said:
Now I guess you could argue that since we give military and financial aid to the Israeli government that your taxes funded that, but by that logic you can say the same thing about anything in any country that receives aid from the US.
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FMF is specific to purchasing US military weapons/assistance. (like a line of credit that can only be spent with US companies/contractors/military)
It's to make sure that the money ends up back in the US. Not really the same thing as giving out cash to be spent however they choose. Most "cash" foreign aid is this way.
 
Yes it’s an ar and I would be shocked if it wasn’t supplied or funded by us….
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
I thought that's just an AR with different fire modes or is there something more?


FMF is specific to purchasing US military weapons/assistance. (like a line of credit that can only be spent with US companies/contractors/military)
It's to make sure that the money ends up back in the US. Not really the same thing as giving out cash to be spent however they choose. Most "cash" foreign aid is this way.
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AR-15 is a semi-automatic. M4, M16, etc. is select fire and/or full auto.

There are those who choose to believe or misconstrue facts, that all of the Israeli military is funded by the US. Which is of course ridiculous.
 
Your right it’s a rape whistle…my bad
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JackBootedThug said:
Oh it’s an ak? Tomatoe, tomato…whatever it is we paid for the fuckin thing….
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You understand that calling an AR and an M16 the same thing is just like agreeing with anti gun activists that ARs are military grade weapons right ? The difference between your AR and a fully automatic M16 are not insignificant.

And show me some evidence that we paid for the thing please.
 
Floyd Eye said:
You understand that calling an AR and an M16 the same thing is just like agreeing with anti gun activists that ARs are military grade weapons right ? The difference between your AR and a fully automatic M16 are not insignificant.

And show me some evidence that we paid for the thing please.
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Armalite rifle. M16 or m4 is the military designation. You understand that right? Whether it's semi or burst or full auto is only a matter of semantics. You can bring pro or anti gun arguments into it but it's pointless. It's the platform Stoner designed. If they are in israel with an AR then it was supplied by us somehow....even if it's the tooling or patent approvals to build it over there. And here's a good start for aid to them-
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
 
JackBootedThug said:
Armalite rifle. M16 or m4 is the military designation. You understand that right? Whether it's semi or burst or full auto is only a matter of semantics. You can bring pro or anti gun arguments into it but it's pointless. It's the platform Stoner designed. If they are in israel with an AR then it was supplied by us somehow....even if it's the tooling or patent approvals to build it over there. And here's a good start for aid to them-
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
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Yeah, I am fully aware of the aid we give Israel. And as I pointed out earlier you are conflating facts. By your logic every weapon in Germany and most eastern bloc countries was paid for by you.

I am also intimately familiar with Stoner's design and the history of the Armalite Rifle. You can call an M16 an AR if you want. You can call the magazines that feed them clips. You can call the rounds the mags hold bullets. You do you brother. You're still wrong.
 
Floyd Eye said:
There are those who choose to believe or misconstrue facts, that all of the Israeli military is funded by the US. Which is of course ridiculous.
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Oh sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that. I was just saying the money we do give them for military assistance is used to buy US weapons/assistance. Or at least that's how it's suppose to be.

Floyd Eye said:
And show me some evidence that we paid for the thing please.
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Why else would they have it when they manufacture weapons of their own, also? FMF is to buy US weapons for defensive purposes only. That's why you don't see US weapons(or aren't suppose to, at least) in Gaza (offensive). I think given the type of weapon (US) and the multitude of the same weapon is pretty good evidence, but I'm not trying to argue as I didn't make the order for them :ROFLMAO:
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
Oh sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that. I was just saying the money we do give them for military assistance is used to buy US weapons/assistance. Or at least that's how it's suppose to be.


Why else would they have it when they manufacture weapons of their own, also? FMF is to buy US weapons for defensive purposes only. That's why you don't see US weapons(or aren't suppose to, at least) in Gaza (offensive). I think given the type of weapon (US) and the multitude of the same weapon is pretty good evidence, but I'm not trying to argue as I didn't make the order for them :ROFLMAO:
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Can you show evidence that these US made rifles were given to the Israelis and not purchased ?
 
Floyd Eye said:
Can you show evidence that these US made rifles were given to the Israelis and not purchased ?
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Israel makes it's own weapons. The money given to Israel can only be used to buy US weapons. JBT's link pretty much sums it up. From the link:
"Most of the aid—approximately $3.3 billion a year—is provided as grants under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, funds that Israel must use to purchase U.S. military equipment and services." That's not to say that Israel can't buy US weapons with their own money, but why would they when they manufacture their own?
 
Floyd Eye said:
Yeah, I am fully aware of the aid we give Israel. And as I pointed out earlier you are conflating facts. By your logic every weapon in Germany and most eastern bloc countries was paid for by you.

I am also intimately familiar with Stoner's design and the history of the Armalite Rifle. You can call an M16 an AR if you want. You can call the magazines that feed them clips. You can call the rounds the mags hold bullets. You do you brother. You're still wrong.
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the only way you can prove me wrong is with a close up view of that weapon. If it's an m4 it will have a burst designation stamped on it. I have carried m16's and m4 smg's on duty for decades so I'm pretty familiar also. Apples and oranges...you can't prove me wrong...now you do you...
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
Israel makes it's own weapons. The money given to Israel can only be used to buy US weapons. JBT's link pretty much sums it up. From the link:
"Most of the aid—approximately $3.3 billion a year—is provided as grants under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, funds that Israel must use to purchase U.S. military equipment and services." That's not to say that Israel can't buy US weapons with their own money, but why would they when they manufacture their own?
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then why have they ordered thousands of them from Colt? Or FN? Their production is limited, that's the main issue. IWI also builds other platforms as well.
 
JackBootedThug said:
then why have they ordered thousands of them from Colt? Or FN? Their production is limited, that's the main issue. IWI also builds other platforms as well.
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JackBootedThug said:
same to you. I'm a little grumpy this morning....fucking back pain....floydeye is a bro...apologies to everyone if I'm coming off ass an argumentative dickhead this morning....
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I think this convo is getting misunderstood. I don't know fuck really about weapons, I just know that investing requires me to follow the ins and outs of Daddy Warbucks. That being that the money they do get from us gets spent with us. I don't actually know their own production capability, but I would assume that it's better for their economy to buy Israeli whenever possible, just like it's beneficial to us to do the same on our end. I wasn't trying to infer that they didn't spend their own money on our... um, gear :ROFLMAO: Just that it wouldn't make sense to whenever possible. I guess all I was ever trying to say is that there is a high probability that those ladies are using US weapons that were paid for with US tax dollars, given how FMF works.
 
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