degenaro
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At my age 24 IS a kid.ejecta":2i3ga6vd said:
Digital Jams
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degenaro":2snb1xkp said:
I remember this vid, incredible stuff from someone so young.
If the kids get into music I am happy enough, my wife finds me funny that I do not like my son listening to her 80s catalog though. Last thing I need is my blood to be called CC junior
My son's favorite player though is Ralphie and calls him the master
ejecta
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degenaro":2qo3evb3 said:
I'm getting close to 40 so I'm starting to feel the same.
degenaro
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My definition...am I old enough to be their dad, they're kids.ejecta":3qgnp0vk said:degenaro":3qgnp0vk said:
I'm getting close to 40 so I'm starting to feel the same.
Gainfreak
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degenaro":10wzty6q said:
I'm not sure what Brother Kage meant by hope because I see kids that blow me away in every aspect every day but in defense of the kid that I posted, He will more then likely branch out into other areas of music because he has already found the likes of Shawn Lane and other cats that strarted off in one direction and wound up somewhere else.
Remember he is only 15. I hope that he branches out because if he adds some bebop licks and some fusion licks to his arsenal....game over
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Dude i saw that show at the BoardWalk in Orangeville California. I live like 15 mins away from there. It was a great show. Dave Rude did a acoustic set. And frank tore it up as always.
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You have no idea what kind of musician a kid is gonna become just because he starts with Classic Rock, 80s shred, or "3 Yngwie licks". In fact, maybe he doesn't want to be a musician at all, maybe he just enjoys playing what he's playing. And of course, none of this means that we can't appreciate and respect the tremendous amount of hard work and sacrifice that was put in by a young kid to achieve that sort of dexterity in the age of "Guitar Hero" and "Rock Band" instant gratification.degenaro":1c0vga63 said:No t's a what kinda musician they're going to be. I'm talking to my buddies kage and Ralph and if you see that as a pissing contest...fine. But...deal with it.ejecta":1c0vga63 said:I can see this thread turning into pissing contest about which type of music is more impressive seeing younger kids play.
If I never hear another Classic Rock tune or 80s shred bit done by a kid it's perfectly fine by me.
It's a matter of becoming a musician not impressing the metal forum with 3 Yngwie licks, IMO of course.
Steve
Gainiac
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Damn sure gives me hope!! All of em!
the most recent, younger ones simply based on so many kids nowadays fixated on f'n Guitar Hero instead of the real thing!!!!!! We've got lessons at the shop here every day and I hear 'em knockin it out learning, digging, some better or slower than others but it's all the same, the learning process starting at a frightening age, and these kids are so talented! it's good when you get to see that with everyone plugged into their computer or whatever, there's still some Real work going on out there and theyre getting it FAR faster, imho, then most of us did at that age....
Oh, except Ed. I'm sure he's got a vid for THAT, too....
the most recent, younger ones simply based on so many kids nowadays fixated on f'n Guitar Hero instead of the real thing!!!!!! We've got lessons at the shop here every day and I hear 'em knockin it out learning, digging, some better or slower than others but it's all the same, the learning process starting at a frightening age, and these kids are so talented! it's good when you get to see that with everyone plugged into their computer or whatever, there's still some Real work going on out there and theyre getting it FAR faster, imho, then most of us did at that age....
Oh, except Ed. I'm sure he's got a vid for THAT, too....
degenaro
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likely, but I'm too lazy to look for it.HGainiac":30xykh6i said::
Oh, except Ed. I'm sure he's got a vid for THAT, too....
degenaro
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Let me rephrase it then...sah5150":3mjqsr7f said:You have no idea what kind of musician a kid is gonna become just because he starts with Classic Rock, 80s shred, or "3 Yngwie licks". In fact, maybe he doesn't want to be a musician at all, maybe he just enjoys playing what he's playing. And of course, none of this means that we can't appreciate and respect the tremendous amount of hard work and sacrifice that was put in by a young kid to achieve that sort of dexterity in the age of "Guitar Hero" and "Rock Band" instant gratification.degenaro":3mjqsr7f said:No t's a what kinda musician they're going to be. I'm talking to my buddies kage and Ralph and if you see that as a pissing contest...fine. But...deal with it.ejecta":3mjqsr7f said:I can see this thread turning into pissing contest about which type of music is more impressive seeing younger kids play.
If I never hear another Classic Rock tune or 80s shred bit done by a kid it's perfectly fine by me.
It's a matter of becoming a musician not impressing the metal forum with 3 Yngwie licks, IMO of course.
Steve
I'm so not agreeing wih hard work when it comes to learn a classic rock tune, we all done it as kids. And worse, if I have to consider the future of guitar is dependant on a kid root running I rather listen to a DJ mashing up tunes on Ableton Live.
My point is, that at the rate we're goin with recycling 80s scale exercises the future of guitar is looking more and more like that of the saxophone 40 years ago...
If we wanna talk about Rock stuff...fuckerslike my boy Shea for his reckless abandon, and Andy Wood for crazy chops and versatility give me hope when it comes to guitar.
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Re-read my response. I never said, nor do I believe it is hard work to learn and play a classic rock tune. You are confusing two separate points I made.degenaro":1nybn9jv said:
1.) You can't say what a kid is going to become as a musician based on what they start on, whther it is classic rock or Yngwie licks.
2.) I am impressed and admire that 15 year old playing Paginini licks for HIS hard work and sacrifice to achieve that level of dexterity when he could be wasting time on Guitar Hero. You can't deny that that level of devotion is impressive for his age, especially now.
Why would the future of guitar dependent on that? Also, you don't have to listen to any of it, do you?degenaro":1nybn9jv said:
As a tool for learning dexterity, recycling 80s scale exercises has its place. It is not a pre-requisite certainly, but I don't see how it hurts unless one doesn't evolve beyond it. It is what the kids that want to become musicians do with all that dexterity that will drive the future of guitar.degenaro":1nybn9jv said:
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degenaro
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Well yes I can...go look at kids in say Brazil and what they learn, and then compare it to their overall musical ability once they mature to a kid being weaned on shred.sah5150":2cho3v6m said:
As for the future of guitar, and no you don't have to listen to it, unless we have another Hendrix or VanHalen come along it's gonna go the way of the dinosaur.
As for 80s shred licks as a learning tool...fine. But more often than not you play what you practice, and do we really need more "the line goes up, the line goes down" videos on youtube?
In the end it doesn't matter, I'm just a cantankerous old fucker with an opinion.
Zachman
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HGainiac":3t7m2qnp said:Damn sure gives me hope!! All of em!
the most recent, younger ones simply based on so many kids nowadays fixated on f'n Guitar Hero instead of the real thing!!!!!! We've got lessons at the shop here every day and I hear 'em knockin it out learning, digging, some better or slower than others but it's all the same, the learning process starting at a frightening age, and these kids are so talented! it's good when you get to see that with everyone plugged into their computer or whatever, there's still some Real work going on out there and theyre getting it FAR faster, imho, then most of us did at that age....
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HGainiac":3t7m2qnp said:Oh, except Ed. I'm sure he's got a vid for THAT, too....
Aloha Harry... I practically pissed myself w/ that... degenaro":3t7m2qnp said:
Ya, here it is:
degenaro
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what is your point? other than as usual...completely moot.Zachman":2nmc6t86 said:HGainiac":2nmc6t86 said:Damn sure gives me hope!! All of em!
the most recent, younger ones simply based on so many kids nowadays fixated on f'n Guitar Hero instead of the real thing!!!!!! We've got lessons at the shop here every day and I hear 'em knockin it out learning, digging, some better or slower than others but it's all the same, the learning process starting at a frightening age, and these kids are so talented! it's good when you get to see that with everyone plugged into their computer or whatever, there's still some Real work going on out there and theyre getting it FAR faster, imho, then most of us did at that age....
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HGainiac":2nmc6t86 said:Oh, except Ed. I'm sure he's got a vid for THAT, too....
degenaro":2nmc6t86 said:
Ya, here it is:
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Well.... I'll just say that I respectfully disagree with what you are saying and I've made my point already. We just look at this differently. Makes the world go 'round, ya know?degenaro":2j5458z7 said:
Steve
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degenaro":24meijui said:what is your point? other than as usual...completely moot.Zachman":24meijui said:HGainiac":24meijui said:Damn sure gives me hope!! All of em!
the most recent, younger ones simply based on so many kids nowadays fixated on f'n Guitar Hero instead of the real thing!!!!!! We've got lessons at the shop here every day and I hear 'em knockin it out learning, digging, some better or slower than others but it's all the same, the learning process starting at a frightening age, and these kids are so talented! it's good when you get to see that with everyone plugged into their computer or whatever, there's still some Real work going on out there and theyre getting it FAR faster, imho, then most of us did at that age....
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HGainiac":24meijui said:Oh, except Ed. I'm sure he's got a vid for THAT, too....
degenaro":24meijui said:
Ya, here it is:
Hmmm.... You're making attempts at insults? I was just having fun with some of the (what comes across--to me)-- as pompous/sanctimonious statements, that you make. Get over yourself Ed.
My point, since you seem to really want to push it: You sometimes come across as though you believe you're better than you actually are, and this fairly recent video (certainly you weren't a 15 yo kid in this video), shows that pretty obviously-- that, that was more than just a bad performance day. It was chalked full of "Suck & Choke".
No worries...
MisterBulbous
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Wow. Tension in here tonight. For what it's worth, the videos give me hope. I'd rather see a young kid playing an instrument than sitting in the basement pounding yellow orange and green plastic buttons on a pretend guitar. I can't imagine trying to criticize a kid for selecting the wrong genre of music or being apalled that he can't step outside the blues scale and play music so "outside" that only experienced 40 year old men will appreciate.
degenaro
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sah5150":21ke7m8t said:Well.... I'll just say that I respectfully disagree with what you are saying and I've made my point already. We just look at this differently. Makes the world go 'round, ya know?degenaro":21ke7m8t said:
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Digital Jams
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Fuuny thing, I was waiting for the local Board of Ed meeting to start which was in a grammer school music room and I started to think about what Ed was saying about 80s licks and I have to say there is many uses for them if used in a different context. Let me explain,
I was looking at the walls and they had the staffs with major scales which I am sure is used for the kids with recorders and beginning band players and I had this brillent idea.........it would be very cool to have the kids hold each note and laying down some serious high gain violin scales over each note as they accend. Yeah probably tired to some and you could call it cheese BUT the kids would be very hip to that I think.
I wonder what the chance is that I could bring a MArshall 1/2 stack to school one day when my son has music
I was looking at the walls and they had the staffs with major scales which I am sure is used for the kids with recorders and beginning band players and I had this brillent idea.........it would be very cool to have the kids hold each note and laying down some serious high gain violin scales over each note as they accend. Yeah probably tired to some and you could call it cheese BUT the kids would be very hip to that I think.
I wonder what the chance is that I could bring a MArshall 1/2 stack to school one day when my son has music
degenaro
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Pot calling kettle black? Are you projecting?Zachman":33c0nlab said:degenaro":33c0nlab said:what is your point? other than as usual...completely moot.Zachman":33c0nlab said:HGainiac":33c0nlab said:Damn sure gives me hope!! All of em!
the most recent, younger ones simply based on so many kids nowadays fixated on f'n Guitar Hero instead of the real thing!!!!!! We've got lessons at the shop here every day and I hear 'em knockin it out learning, digging, some better or slower than others but it's all the same, the learning process starting at a frightening age, and these kids are so talented! it's good when you get to see that with everyone plugged into their computer or whatever, there's still some Real work going on out there and theyre getting it FAR faster, imho, then most of us did at that age....
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HGainiac":33c0nlab said:Oh, except Ed. I'm sure he's got a vid for THAT, too....
degenaro":33c0nlab said:
Ya, here it is:
Hmmm.... You're making attempts at insults? I was just having fun with some of the (what comes across--to me)-- as pompous/sanctimonious statements, that you make. Get over yourself Ed.
My point, since you seem to really want to push it: You sometimes come across as though you believe you're better than you actually are, and this fairly recent video (certainly you weren't a 15 yo kid in this video), shows that pretty obviously-- that, that was more than just a bad performance day. It was chalked full of "Suck & Choke".
No worries...
Whatever you may perceive i think of my self has little to do in a discussion about what gives me hope when it comes to the future of music.
FWIW, "how good" some one is matters generally speaking little to me, if you really want to discuss this i care about 1 things...are you doing something, or are you talking about eventually doing something. How you do it...whatever.
insult? not at all, it just happens that your constant posting of the crap video in order to get a rise out of me and failing at it is as moot as the point you're trying to make.
I have no reason to insult you since you or your opinion matter little to me. And unlike you I don't need the on-line opinion validation.
