Lets talk VHT and P50's....

[maddnotez]

I started hearing this "hollowness" in the mids that was driving me nuts. I just thought they lacked character.

Yep, exactly, I feel like I only start to get some presence and definition out of them with the volume uncomfortably high.

Hey guys, well I finally got my Fryette D cab and some P50 "pitbull" edition.

Here is my take: I agree with you completely. "Hollowness" is the best way to describe the tone they give off.

Now I try to keep in mind. It does not sound bad. In fact it's pretty unique sounding along with the amp, so it is in fact a pretty good match for the VHT amps. Sounds really good at low volume, Im sure it will record nicely.

BUT I did a side by side with an Ubercab and hands down the 75'sx30's sounded louder, much fuller and more organic. Cut through the mix much better.

I would have to say the Ubercab wins for sure, but I still need to experiment more.

It was just me, drums and bass, so Im curious how it sounds in a band mix with another guitar amp.

If he for example had an Uberkab and a 5150 my dark with the P50's might match up really well with his brighter tone.

Overall not 100% satisfied with the P50's by any means, but I am not yet ready to sell them.

 

[thegame]

Guess i like P50's with the Vht amps, but not a big fan with other amps.

Yup, VHT amps overt mids tend to fill in the 'hole' in the P50s, so it balances out. Also I find the P50s to be rather fuzzy and hairy on the top end when used with non-VHT amps, but complements VHT amps dry, yet relatively unsaturated character.

 

[Bob Savage]

I love my D60/D412 rig. They're a perfect match for my ears.

 

[maddnotez]

I love my D60/D412 rig. They're a perfect match for my ears.

My situation is I have a Pitbull amp and a D412.

Im curious to try the Fatbottom cab.

The D412 is super super tight though, thats why i got it. But would love to compare the 2.

 

[maddnotez]

Guess i like P50's with the Vht amps, but not a big fan with other amps.

Yup, VHT amps overt mids tend to fill in the 'hole' in the P50s, so it balances out. Also I find the P50s to be rather fuzzy and hairy on the top end when used with non-VHT amps, but complements VHT amps dry, yet relatively unsaturated character.

Yeah for sure, thats why I still have the P50's lol. It does not sound bad by any means. Just alot darker. Im sure if I uppsed to mids or the volume a little than it would cut better.

 

[Bob Savage]

My situation is I have a Pitbull amp and a D412.

Im curious to try the Fatbottom cab.

The D412 is super super tight though, thats why i got it. But would love to compare the 2.

I actually bought my D412 when I had an UL. I wasn't getting what I wanted from the UL and other cabs I had including the Uberkab (loved that cab with the Uberschall) so I took a trip to see my old friend Steve Fryette. At that point I had my Unerkab loaded with P50s and we did a side by side with it, the FB and D cabs. D cab won for my taste.

The FB is very tight and more directional than the D? D is tight but emanates a bit more sound around the cab and is slightly more vintage sounding than the FB, in it's own tight way.

I still wasn't getting what I wanted out of the UL, got the D60 and have been happy since.

 

[maddnotez]

My situation is I have a Pitbull amp and a D412.

Im curious to try the Fatbottom cab.

The D412 is super super tight though, thats why i got it. But would love to compare the 2.

I actually bought my D412 when I had an UL. I wasn't getting what I wanted from the UL and other cabs I had including the Uberkab (loved that cab with the Uberschall) so I took a trip to see my old friend Steve Fryette. At that point I had my Unerkab loaded with P50s and we did a side by side with it, the FB and D cabs. D cab won for my taste.

The FB is very tight and more directional than the D? D is tight but emanates a bit more sound around the cab and is slightly more vintage sounding than the FB, in it's own tight way.

I still wasn't getting what I wanted out of the UL, got the D60 and have been happy since.

Yeah I need a D120 too . I really liked my 100cl with the Uberkab quite a bit. Want to try 30x75 in my D412.

 

[Bob Savage]

 

[maddnotez]

hey nice, I watched this video about 1000 times when I was VHT shopping.

Nice Vigier too !!!!

 

[Bob Savage]

Yeah I need a D120 too . I really liked my 100cl with the Uberkab quite a bit. Want to try 30x75 in my D412.

Try the 60 too. You won't be left wanting for volume and I prefer it over the 120. Both great amps but the different power section really stands out to my ears.

 

[Ventura]

I tone tested the FB and the Deliverance. I ended up going with the Deliverance as it was more alive sounding, just my opinion. As for the P50Es, I actually have grown to like them and am not too eager to get rid of 'em, they're still in my cab just as they were from day one, and they're sounding better and better every hour they're worked.

I think having had my ears primed on V30s for a while makes it hard to go back. Mids mids mids... Then you get into these fairly 'balanced' drivers, the P50Es, and they seem lifeless; but mine have recorded well, sound solid and really push air nicely without any buzz. I like the cab and I like the drivers.

 

[maddnotez]

I tone tested the FB and the Deliverance. I ended up going with the Deliverance as it was more alive sounding, just my opinion. As for the P50Es, I actually have grown to like them and am not too eager to get rid of 'em, they're still in my cab just as they were from day one, and they're sounding better and better every hour they're worked.

I think having had my ears primed on V30s for a while makes it hard to go back. Mids mids mids... Then you get into these fairly 'balanced' drivers, the P50Es, and they seem lifeless; but mine have recorded well, sound solid and really push air nicely without any buzz. I like the cab and I like the drivers.

I bet they are going to record extremely well. They are just so dark imo. I need to re-wire my cab if I can ever figure it out and play it a little more.

 

[RJF]

Clip

Thanks, just a tip. You will get much better results if you Max the master volume and adjust channel volume accordingly.

That is indeed the trick on the CL amps, but I've found with the CLX it doesn't really change much.

I stand corrected. I originally tried the master volume trick on my CLX when I first got it, like how I always ran my 50CL, but thought the CLX didn't respond nearly as well. I just tried it again and I got much better results this time for some reason. Really helps bring the presence out in the amp and make it a tad more crunchy. I am actually a little less dissatisfied with the P50E's now, since the head is really kicking out the presence now. I will have to say, my Framus Cobra rips, through the fatbottom cab.

 

[apophis]

I just finished playing around with both my Ultra Lead and D60 with different cabs and have found that the D60 gets great tones with some tweaking trough all cabs i have (Earcandy Buzzbomb 212 w/ green machine speakers, vader 212 w/ eminence legends and Fatbottom412 w p50e) but the Ultra Lead absolutely prefers the fatbottom by a large margin, followed by the vader which is no slouch either with this particular amp...awesome sound, of course pushing the master volume helps a lot (master volume at 2 o clock, channel volume at around 12 oclock..depth and presence around 9 oclock both)

 

[Ventura]

I tone tested the FB and the Deliverance. I ended up going with the Deliverance as it was more alive sounding, just my opinion. As for the P50Es, I actually have grown to like them and am not too eager to get rid of 'em, they're still in my cab just as they were from day one, and they're sounding better and better every hour they're worked.

I think having had my ears primed on V30s for a while makes it hard to go back. Mids mids mids... Then you get into these fairly 'balanced' drivers, the P50Es, and they seem lifeless; but mine have recorded well, sound solid and really push air nicely without any buzz. I like the cab and I like the drivers.

I bet they are going to record extremely well. They are just so dark imo. I need to re-wire my cab if I can ever figure it out and play it a little more.

And you see? I thought that too - but for me, the 'dark' was simply the lack of the spikey mids that come from every other cabinet loaded with the ubiquitous V30s. I've also grown to love G12K100s - and a lot of peeps say they're sterile. I call horseshit - they're great drivers and deliver a balanced spectrum instead of the V30 bite.

Don't get me wrong, V30s are solid drivers... I like them for a lot of reasons - but if I listen to them too much, which I think a lot of us actually do without realizing it, we become a touch mid-deaf and this makes all other more 'balanced' cones sound scooped, hollow or dark.

As for the P50Es, they sounded umpteen time better afterbeing broken in

 

[stephen sawall]

I bet if you listen to flat EQ speakers all the time .... the midrange heavy speakers that are so popular would sound wrong. The ear grows accustom pretty fast to new things in my experience.

 

[hellaboogie]

I bet if you listen to flat EQ speakers all the time .... the midrange heavy speakers that are so popular would sound wrong. The ear grows accustom pretty fast to new things in my experience.

I with you on this point.

 

[maddnotez]

I tone tested the FB and the Deliverance. I ended up going with the Deliverance as it was more alive sounding, just my opinion. As for the P50Es, I actually have grown to like them and am not too eager to get rid of 'em, they're still in my cab just as they were from day one, and they're sounding better and better every hour they're worked.

I think having had my ears primed on V30s for a while makes it hard to go back. Mids mids mids... Then you get into these fairly 'balanced' drivers, the P50Es, and they seem lifeless; but mine have recorded well, sound solid and really push air nicely without any buzz. I like the cab and I like the drivers.

I bet they are going to record extremely well. They are just so dark imo. I need to re-wire my cab if I can ever figure it out and play it a little more.

And you see? I thought that too - but for me, the 'dark' was simply the lack of the spikey mids that come from every other cabinet loaded with the ubiquitous V30s. I've also grown to love G12K100s - and a lot of peeps say they're sterile. I call horseshit - they're great drivers and deliver a balanced spectrum instead of the V30 bite.

Don't get me wrong, V30s are solid drivers... I like them for a lot of reasons - but if I listen to them too much, which I think a lot of us actually do without realizing it, we become a touch mid-deaf and this makes all other more 'balanced' cones sound scooped, hollow or dark.

As for the P50Es, they sounded umpteen time better afterbeing broken in

I bought mine used and they are the "pitbull" P50's so I think they would be broken in by now???

I'm still going to mess with it, I am about to get some 75's and X them with P50's to see how that sounds.

Im with you on the V30, I don't really like them. The ubercab sounded awesome but still a little too harsh/middy, what have you. So i am hoping P50X75 will get me what I want.

On the other hand I wonder how its going to sound with my other guitarist in the mix. Maybe my "dark" tone will mesh with his well.

I should probably just buy an Ultralead

 

[racerevlon]

Try the 60 too. You won't be left wanting for volume and I prefer it over the 120. Both great amps but the different power section really stands out to my ears.

^^^^This

I demo-ed a D60 with a FB 2 x 12 P50 and HOLY SMOKES!! For a single-channel 60W amp that thing is LOUD and extremely versatile--cleaned up very nicely with the volume rolled down without any loss of, well, volume or presence. I almost pulled the trigger on that rig based on that one rehearsal, but I've already got too much gear, and that rig didn't cover any sonic territory I can't already get.

 

[jcj]

I actually like the P50E's in my VHT cab that I use with a 50 CL w/EQ. The clarity to me is more so CL as its clear through my other 4x12's that have v30's and 75's. If your technique is sloppy it really will be apparent with VHT amps. I actaully like the clarity of the CL myself and feel with that head the P50E's are a well suited match

My experience, as well.

What I didn't like about the CL was a certain high frequency I couldn't dial out....even with the graphic, but that wasn't a cab thing..