Mesa Dual Recto question

[MetalHeadMike]

I've never played a Mesa and have been getting the itch here lately and am considering a Dual Recto (or possibly the new TC-50). I was on the Mesa site last night and they market the Dual Recto as having had a significant overhaul stating:

" Improved CLEAN and PUSHED Modes in Channel 1. Improved Modes in Channels 2 and 3 include a more soulful, earthiness in RAW, thicker layers of harmonics and more liquid gain in VINTAGE and tighter gut-punching attack in MODERN."

Can anyone tell me if the current offering of the Dual Recto is a fairly recent upgrade to the line?

Not being familiar with Mesa at all, I don't know how long ago this upgrade took place, so I'm curious if anyone can offer their opinions as to whether this is an older change, recent change.....

 

[mixn4him]

I wanna say it was 2010 when they did the Reborn series with the updates...

 

[JMMP]

2010 sounds correct. This Boogie board thread indicates a later 2010 announcement. I have heard nothing but great things about the reborn versus the previous three channels.

http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=50661

 

[MetalHeadMike]

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Thanks gents. It was my suspicion that it was quite a while ago that the revision took place. I just thought if it was recent it might be worth laying out the cash for a new one.

Considering the info, if I decide to go Recto, I can save a ton of cash and buy used

I'll have to get my hands on a dual recto, a mkv and the new TC-50 and compare.

 

[Marc_Nitschke221B]

I would always consider buying an 2 channel Dual Rectifer (Rev F or G). In my opinion those were the best. The newer one sounded mudded to me. Never compared the cleans though. The newer ones are probably better... If you have a chance, I would at least try the 2 channel.

I'm interested in the new TC50 as well. From the first video I can't really tell for what kind of sound it is the ideal choice...

 

[SavageRiffer]

I used to like the rectifier a lot, but when the 2010 revision was done, I began to love it. Overall it's just a better sounding amp. A lot of people think Mesa rects are for metal, but they can do just about any sound. The cleans are amazing. You can't judge a dual rect by a mini rect, by the way. To me the mini rect sounds more hi-fi. The 2010 dual rect is full of great classic and modern tones. With EL34's, the crunch channel kills.

 

[GJgo]

Mike, what are you looking to use it for?

I haven't played a Reborn yet, but that aside I think the Tremoverb blows away every other Recto I've played / heard.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

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Just at home play for now. I play mostly thrash/death type stuff. Some classic rock from time to time.

 

[CEG85]

I like the Dual Recs and Boogies in general, classic amps IMO.
Used one for a while back in the day.
You can find used ones on CG and Ebay for around 1k.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I owned a Reborn Dual a while ago. It was nice. I think the Reborn Rectos were made more approachable to guitarists by a good margin. The Green and Orange channels sounded pretty good, but the Red channel was a bit too closed off sounding to me. One of the goals of the Reborn was to smooth out the fizz that the Recs were known for, but I'd rather have the fizz with a Rec tbh, that's part of the signature sound. Without that, it's kinda just a bassy head. The Reborn also seemed a bit more mid lax than a classic Recto, probably whatever they did to tame the fizz took away some of that Recto grind. The multi-watt switches are cool, but if I ever got a Rec again (and I do want one) I'd probably get an older one.

I would look at some video clips of Reborn vs. older Rectos to see which has a sound you like better. The new ones go by the names of Reborn Recto, 2010 Recto, and Multi-Watt Recto.

 

[Candiria]

Just an FYi for the OP, Roadsters and Roadking II's more or less have the updates that the regular Solo head got in 2010, so if you see a pre 2010 Roadster it will be more similar to a Reborn than it will to a pre 2010 Solo head.

 

[FixXxer]

Mike, what are you looking to use it for?

I haven't played a Reborn yet, but that aside I think the Tremoverb blows away every other Recto I've played / heard.

I have both, and they are both killer. The loop on the reborn is flawless and I"ve been using it a bunch. ALL channels are valuable and individually.

The TOV is a steal, and for the price can't go wrong. That said, I for the time being, am using my reborn more than the TOV.

Both are awesome amps.

 

[MetalThrasher]

If you are playing thrash/death metal I would look into a mark series amp. Do you need a clean channel?

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I owned a Reborn Dual a while ago. It was nice. I think the Reborn Rectos were made more approachable to guitarists by a good margin. The Green and Orange channels sounded pretty good, but the Red channel was a bit too closed off sounding to me. One of the goals of the Reborn was to smooth out the fizz that the Recs were known for, but I'd rather have the fizz with a Rec tbh, that's part of the signature sound. Without that, it's kinda just a bassy head. The Reborn also seemed a bit more mid lax than a classic Recto, probably whatever they did to tame the fizz took away some of that Recto grind. The multi-watt switches are cool, but if I ever got a Rec again (and I do want one) I'd probably get an older one.

I would look at some video clips of Reborn vs. older Rectos to see which has a sound you like better. The new ones go by the names of Reborn Recto, 2010 Recto, and Multi-Watt Recto.

I'm not too fond of high end fizz, but I can get rid of some of that via and eq in the loop. Its usually that 8 and 16 kHz range that I hate.

So when you say closed off in regards to the red ch on the reborns, do you mean compressed?

Yeah I like listening to clips for the sake of listening, but in terms of using them as even a partial decision making tool for a purchase, I won't do it. I have to sit down and play em and usually prefer to play the amps I'm interested in together side by side. Outside of that, I'll sometimes just buy an amp on a leap of faith from other's descriptions.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Just an FYi for the OP, Roadsters and Roadking II's more or less have the updates that the regular Solo head got in 2010, so if you see a pre 2010 Roadster it will be more similar to a Reborn than it will to a pre 2010 Solo head.

Good to know
Like I said, I'm new to Mesa so there will be much research.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Mike, what are you looking to use it for?

I haven't played a Reborn yet, but that aside I think the Tremoverb blows away every other Recto I've played / heard.

I have both, and they are both killer. The loop on the reborn is flawless and I"ve been using it a bunch. ALL channels are valuable and individually.

The TOV is a steal, and for the price can't go wrong. That said, I for the time being, am using my reborn more than the TOV.

Both are awesome amps.

I'll have to consider the Tremoverb too huh.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

If you are playing thrash/death metal I would look into a mark series amp. Do you need a clean channel?

I guess all the people I've heard talk about how hard the MarkV is to dial in kept me from considering it.

I rarely play clean, if ever right now. It'd be nice to have available I guess.

I'm definitely not in any hurry and will wait to hear peoples thoughts on the new TC-50. If that amp is really as tight on the low end, has as much mid grind, has a fast attack, and is still easy to play (not too stiff feeling) as they claim, that might be the ticket. I'll wind up sitting down with a recto of some kind, a Mark V, and this new TC-50 all in the same room for my final decision.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

If you are playing thrash/death metal I would look into a mark series amp. Do you need a clean channel?

I guess all the people I've heard talk about how hard the MarkV is to dial in kept me from considering it.

I rarely play clean, if ever right now. It'd be nice to have available I guess.

I'm definitely not in any hurry and will wait to hear peoples thoughts on the new TC-50. If that amp is really as tight on the low end, has as much mid grind, has a fast attack, and is still easy to play (not too stiff feeling) as they claim, that might be the ticket. I'll wind up sitting down with a recto of some kind, a Mark V, and this new TC-50 all in the same room for my final decision.

The Mark V is more similar to your Savage and the Recto is closer to you FB100if that helps. If your interested in the Recto sound, I'd suggest looking at a Bogner Uberschall. It's like a Dual Recto perfected if that helps. More preamp gain and low end than any version Recto as well.

 

[MetalThrasher]

You should also look into a Mark V 35. I love mine. The crunch channel is great and the lead channel has more than enough gain than you'll ever need. IMHO the Mark series aren't that hard to dial in a good thrash tone. The mark series is one of the few amps that I have played that don't really need a TS type pedal to make it tight as they are really nice and tight by themselves. I'm also interested in the new TC-50 going to check it soon but my Mark V 35 isn't going anywhere. Good luck with your decision.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I owned a Reborn Dual a while ago. It was nice. I think the Reborn Rectos were made more approachable to guitarists by a good margin. The Green and Orange channels sounded pretty good, but the Red channel was a bit too closed off sounding to me. One of the goals of the Reborn was to smooth out the fizz that the Recs were known for, but I'd rather have the fizz with a Rec tbh, that's part of the signature sound. Without that, it's kinda just a bassy head. The Reborn also seemed a bit more mid lax than a classic Recto, probably whatever they did to tame the fizz took away some of that Recto grind. The multi-watt switches are cool, but if I ever got a Rec again (and I do want one) I'd probably get an older one.

I would look at some video clips of Reborn vs. older Rectos to see which has a sound you like better. The new ones go by the names of Reborn Recto, 2010 Recto, and Multi-Watt Recto.

I'm not too fond of high end fizz, but I can get rid of some of that via and eq in the loop. Its usually that 8 and 16 kHz range that I hate.

So when you say closed off in regards to the red ch on the reborns, do you mean compressed?

Yeah I like listening to clips for the sake of listening, but in terms of using them as even a partial decision making tool for a purchase, I won't do it. I have to sit down and play em and usually prefer to play the amps I'm interested in together side by side. Outside of that, I'll sometimes just buy an amp on a leap of faith from other's descriptions.

Yeah, compressed is a good way of putting it.