Mesa Dual Recto question

[Metal1977]

From all the rev G's rectos i tried, for me the Racktifier is the best version. All of them i had or tried were rev G's, the most common 2 channel available. I put Triple's in that bag too. By the way the Trem-o-verb is great, i just prefer the tightness of the Racktifier.

The thing i've notice with rev G's Rectifiers in general is that every single amps were a little different to each other. That means if you got a great one just keep it, the next one could be more average. Consistency was a little problem back then, i don't know if it's still the case with the new ones.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Racktifier seemed tighter huh?

 

[Metal1977]

Yes

 

[GJgo]

The reborn Rectos are great but I still think the Trem-o-verb is the best Rectifier Mesa has ever built to this point. Just something about it that the others can't match IMO.

Your not the first one to say the Trem-o-verb is better than all other Rectos. I'll definitely see if I can put my ears on one.

There are lots of vids on YouTube. Even with crappy condenser mics you can hear it. They're a little darker, less fizz, and just sound sick. Cleans are super warm. They're also the only Rectos I've ever played that actually sound good at low volume. Here's a couple I found.

Gain-
https://youtu.be/uV84FbmWoPQ

Clean-
https://youtu.be/1q3V0lL68WU

 

[jbcrazy]

I would always consider buying an 2 channel Dual Rectifer (Rev F or G). In my opinion those were the best. The newer one sounded mudded to me. Never compared the cleans though. The newer ones are probably better... If you have a chance, I would at least try the 2 channel.

I'm interested in the new TC50 as well. From the first video I can't really tell for what kind of sound it is the ideal choice...

This.

The old rectos sound better to me.

Maybe a good drive pedal would help but... yeah... the old Rectifiers were more my schtick.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

Not to hijack; but how does the uber stack up volume wise? I've had a few duals and they get pretty damn loud and hang pretty well with my Marshall. I'm gassing for another dual or triple since I sold my last one, but been curious about an uber since everyone makes recto comparisons. I had one single years ago, and it was on the verge of loud enough.

The Uberschall can go against anything volume wise and the more you crank it the better it sounds, the power section is really great on those amps.

The power section in the Uber has some sag to it right? I've heard people describe it as being pretty forgiving and fun to play.

I'd imagine you have to get the power section crankin to get into the sag though. That's the way my Engls are; at low volumes their pretty unforgiving and stiff feeling but once you crank em a bit they become more forgiving and more fun to play.

 

[Metal1977]

It's fun to play at any volume. You control the response of the amp with the presence control, its like a mid scoop and a feeling knob at the same time.

But you're right, the higher you go with the volume, you get a nice compression (sag).

With the Rectifier you have a sweet spot. If you go over that spot, the sound will fall apart. You don't get that with the Uberschall, and you can get away without a boost. I feel like it's necessary with the Rectifier.

 

[JakeAC5253]

With the Rectifier you have a sweet spot. If you go over that spot, the sound will fall apart. You don't get that with the Uberschall, and you can get away without a boost. I feel like it's necessary with the Rectifier.

Agreed about the Recto sweet spot, very touchy amp to dial in. It's worth mentioning that the point you refer to, where it is pointless to turn it up any more, is FREAKING LOUD! Rectos when dialed correctly are up there with vintage Marshalls for pushing the most air. I do not necessarily agree with always needing a boost though. Depending on other variables, its not always needed. The newer Rectos definitely, I find them bassier and looser than the 2 chan 90's Rectos.

 

[Metal1977]

With the Rectifier you have a sweet spot. If you go over that spot, the sound will fall apart. You don't get that with the Uberschall, and you can get away without a boost. I feel like it's necessary with the Rectifier.

Agreed about the Recto sweet spot, very touchy amp to dial in. It's worth mentioning that the point you refer to, where it is pointless to turn it up any more, is FREAKING LOUD! Rectos when dialed correctly are up there with vintage Marshalls for pushing the most air. I do not necessarily agree with always needing a boost though. Depending on other variables, its not always needed. The newer Rectos definitely, I find them bassier and looser than the 2 chan 90's Rectos.

Yeah, the sweet spot on the Recto is loud enough with a band. Unlike some Rectos the Racktifier is tight enough but lets say the boost helps to get the sustain the way i like them, a touch more then without. It's more of a feeling thing for me.

With the Uberschall the sustain is all there, very easy to play even without a boost. Racktifier and Uberschall rev 2 without boost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH9XgUn7aDA

 

[JakeAC5253]

With the Rectifier you have a sweet spot. If you go over that spot, the sound will fall apart. You don't get that with the Uberschall, and you can get away without a boost. I feel like it's necessary with the Rectifier.

Agreed about the Recto sweet spot, very touchy amp to dial in. It's worth mentioning that the point you refer to, where it is pointless to turn it up any more, is FREAKING LOUD! Rectos when dialed correctly are up there with vintage Marshalls for pushing the most air. I do not necessarily agree with always needing a boost though. Depending on other variables, its not always needed. The newer Rectos definitely, I find them bassier and looser than the 2 chan 90's Rectos.

Yeah, the sweet spot on the Recto is loud enough with a band. Unlike some Rectos the Racktifier is tight enough but lets say the boost helps to get the sustain the way i like them, a touch more then without. It's more of a feeling thing for me.

With the Uberschall the sustain is all there, very easy to play even without a boost. Racktifier and Uberschall rev 2 without boost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH9XgUn7aDA

Sweet clip man. I've got a friend with a Rackto, I also find it to lack a slight bit of grind unboosted. Definitely sounds better with an OD in front. Yours sounds pretty good tho.

 

[Metal1977]

With the Rectifier you have a sweet spot. If you go over that spot, the sound will fall apart. You don't get that with the Uberschall, and you can get away without a boost. I feel like it's necessary with the Rectifier.

Agreed about the Recto sweet spot, very touchy amp to dial in. It's worth mentioning that the point you refer to, where it is pointless to turn it up any more, is FREAKING LOUD! Rectos when dialed correctly are up there with vintage Marshalls for pushing the most air. I do not necessarily agree with always needing a boost though. Depending on other variables, its not always needed. The newer Rectos definitely, I find them bassier and looser than the 2 chan 90's Rectos.

Yeah, the sweet spot on the Recto is loud enough with a band. Unlike some Rectos the Racktifier is tight enough but lets say the boost helps to get the sustain the way i like them, a touch more then without. It's more of a feeling thing for me.

With the Uberschall the sustain is all there, very easy to play even without a boost. Racktifier and Uberschall rev 2 without boost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH9XgUn7aDA

Sweet clip man. I've got a friend with a Rackto, I also find it to lack a slight bit of grind unboosted. Definitely sounds better with an OD in front. Yours sounds pretty good tho.

Thanks but i'm not the one who's playing on that clip, it's the guy who sold me his Rackto.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

It's fun to play at any volume. You control the response of the amp with the presence control, its like a mid scoop and a feeling knob at the same time.

But you're right, the higher you go with the volume, you get a nice compression (sag).

With the Rectifier you have a sweet spot. If you go over that spot, the sound will fall apart. You don't get that with the Uberschall, and you can get away without a boost. I feel like it's necessary with the Rectifier.

The Uber sounds like a cool amp. Rev2 is more low mid voiced and the Rev blue is more upper mids right?

 

[Metal1977]

It's fun to play at any volume. You control the response of the amp with the presence control, its like a mid scoop and a feeling knob at the same time.

But you're right, the higher you go with the volume, you get a nice compression (sag).

With the Rectifier you have a sweet spot. If you go over that spot, the sound will fall apart. You don't get that with the Uberschall, and you can get away without a boost. I feel like it's necessary with the Rectifier.

The Uber sounds like a cool amp. Rev2 is more low mid voiced and the Rev blue is more upper mids right?

I think that the Rev blue has a bit of a brighter voicing due to some complaints that the Original and Rev 2 were not cutting enough in a band.