NAD - More KT88s.... Fryette Deliverance D60II

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braintheory said:
Nothing wrong with that, but I do completely disagree. Different flavors imo. The Deliverance imo doesn’t at all have the same growl, feel, warmth or “kerrang” that is signature to the Marshall sound. That smooth, hollowness they have in the mids when you play a powerchord is to me an opposite characteristic to Marshall tone. Just my experience though. Also, those old Marshall’s have that vintage flavor that imo can’t really make any amp made past the ‘90’s really be a better Marshall imo, just it’s own thing that you either prefer or don’t
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Maybe it's the EQ in the loop with the D60 I'm running, but smooth and hollow in the mids is the last thing I hear sitting in front of it. Extremely forward upper mids mixed with growling lower mids is what I get in the room. I hear tons of character is these amps, but they're definitely a more modern edge to the gain texture as compared to something like JMP/JCM. Fryette also do lack a certain complexity to the mids; I don't know how to describe it other than to say they have an extreme clarity. Maybe they lack that vintage smear/swirl that a Marshall has. My MCII has similar smear/swirl in the mids to the Marshalls that makes it sound more complex in the midrange when played against the D60.
 
MetalHeadMike said:
Maybe it's the EQ in the loop with the D60 I'm running, but smooth and hollow in the mids is the last thing I hear sitting in front of it. Extremely forward upper mids mixed with growling lower mids is what I get in the room. I hear tons of character is these amps, but they're definitely a more modern edge to the gain texture as compared to something like JMP/JCM. Fryette also do lack a certain complexity to the mids; I don't know how to describe it other than to say they have an extreme clarity. Maybe they lack that vintage smear/swirl that a Marshall has. My MCII has similar smear/swirl in the mids to the Marshalls that makes it sound more complex in the midrange when played against the D60.
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Could be a difference in just semantics for describing sounds. I guess when I play chords on a good old Marshall I just hear more detail or stuff going on in the midrange (but really all over) that makes many other amps seem comparatively lacking or hollow to me (not just Fryette’s, a lot of amps). It’s also largely about the comparatively part IME. Also not about the amount of mids or frequencies, but more so just the quality of it. Or maybe texture, idk, hard to describe. Plenty of mids in those Fryette’s from what I remember, but of a smoother quality I felt
 
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The D series would work amazing in a blending set up. Would be an awesome foundation but blend in some Marshall ish mids and dominate.
 
I don't get the Marshall mids thing. People constantly say things like..."it's cool, but it doesn't have Marshall mids". I've owned several late 70s JMPs, a Monomyth 1987x. and a 8100 and never thought the mids were anything crazy special. I think many of the non-Marshall amps I've owned and currently own have mids every bit as desirable to me as the Marshalls I've owned. Plenty of growl and snarl in the MCII and Fryettes I have here currently.
 
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MetalHeadMike said:
I don't get the Marshall mids thing. People constantly say things like..."it's cool, but it doesn't have Marshall mids". I've owned several late 70s JMPs and never thought the mids were anything crazy special. I think many of the non-Marshall amps I've owned and currently own have mids every bit as desirable to me as the Marshalls I've owned. Plenty of growl and snarl in the MCII and Fryettes I have here currently.
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Haha I guess those are the kinda phrases that can make some guys like me seem like cork sniffers or pretentious, but I think the mids are very important and I don't necessarily think Marshall's are the "be all end all" or very best mids ever. In fact, I think my Gjika, Reason and old Purpleface have mids that are imo even better in many ways than any Marshall's I've tried. They're just very complete. Play a chord and there's growl, texture and substance across the midrange spectrum, no holes or lacking parts or harmonics like other amps that come off hollow comparatively. I usually just use Marshalls as an example because it's something most are familiar with. I mean if I said this amp has Gjika or Purpleface mids who the hell is gonna know what I'm talking about. The Naylor's also have great mids. Also, Trainwrecks style amps like the Komets have very complete and saturated mids

I guess this probably isn't helpful. I guess it's just whether your ears like it or not. I don't really have the best terminology to describe it. There are plenty of amps I've kept and still love despite mids that I don't like. With the Wizards I've had, including the MC I had with C Transformer (as well as Fryette), it's not that it didn't snarl or have growl, but more that when compared directly with something like the good Cameron modded Marshalls I had at the time, those amps just had much more snarl, growl and substantive midrange. There are other qualities the Wizards and Fryette have that are superior imo to those amps (I didn't ultimately keep any of my Cameron modded Marshalls, but kept a Wizard), but to my ears it just cannot be ignored that there's an inherent hollowness or something off or incomplete with the mids when I hear a long held chord and listen critically. Seems I'm not the only one that hears it, but whatever to each their own. I keep any amp that has special qualities, but I like to always have awareness of what's lacking. All my amps have things that could be better about it tonally. Even can be said about the one Dumble I tried once despite being the best thing I've ever heard
 
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The vintage Marshalls every individual amp sounded different. Even the JMP and JCM800 have pretty different characters.

The Fryette stuff has more in common with the vintage Hiwatt sound.

We all have had plenty of different amps and know each one has it's own flavor. Each has a different vowel sound. Just think about what each vowel sounds like. AEIOU.

If you want to get closer with the Deliverance back the gain way back. Use the LESS setting. Max (full up) GAIN II. Set GAIN I in the 9 -11 o'clock range. MIDDLE, BASS and DEPTH in the 10 -1 o'clock range. And most importantly the TREBLE and PRESENCE up above 3 o'clock.
Now turn the MASTER to 11-3 o'clock range. (attenuation highly recommend, it is stupid loud)
You should be hearing a different vowel sound. More power amp saturation.

Pretty different from the typical everything 11 - 2 o'clock and MASTER at 9 - 10 o'clock settings most people use with a Fryette. The feel is pretty different also. It's still going to sound more like a Hiwatt than a Marshall. But will get you closer.
 
stephen sawall said:
The Fryette stuff has more in common with the vintage Hiwatt sound.

We all have had plenty of different amps and know each one has it's own flavor. Each has a different vowel sound. Just think about what each vowel sounds like. AEIOU.

If you want to get closer with the Deliverance back the gain way back. Use the LESS setting. Max (full up) GAIN II. Set GAIN I in the 9 -11 o'clock range. MIDDLE, BASS and DEPTH in the 10 -1 o'clock range. And most importantly the TREBLE and PRESENCE up above 3 o'clock.
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I‘ve never played a real Hiwatt (I won’t count that Fortin SuperHi as a real one. Lol) but people say that about about Wizards too… no wonder they’re my favorite brands. I need to try an old Hiwatt.

as for my settings I use (and in the video I posted) on the D60, they’re very close to how you just described. though not so high on the MV and I don’t use Less mode.
 
LPMojo...
What about the pickups...??
They sound pretty different...how's the feel...
Sunset strip is the 17k A5? Marshall seems to like it more than the roxy...
 

You can hear the Hiwatt midrange difference from the Marshall. They don't have a lot of gain. Really cranked to get that roar.

Personally for four hole classic amps my preference in the small box Marshall JMP 50 watt 1987. The ones built in 68 /69 are probably my favorite. Even the ones that are a bit more aggressive built a few years later.

But much like the vintage cars it's going to be a very different driving experience.
 
blackie13 said:
LPMojo...
What about the pickups...??
They sound pretty different...how's the feel...
Sunset strip is the 17k A5? Marshall seems to like it more than the roxy...
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The Roxy in "Blackie" (the Charvel parts guitar) replaced a JB with an A2 mag. The JB pickup was all mids, no low end. It was ok, but I wanted something closer sounding to my Suhr Modern with mahogany body, maple top and SSH+. Scott nailed it. Blackie's body is roasted alder, and now has more lows and maybe a bit more output than before, bringing really close to that Suhr.
The Sunset Strip in the Squier (poplar body) has a bit less lows and more mids, but nothing like the JB. It's a bit lower output, but still quite punchy. It's way more beefy than the stock Squier hb.
Both pups feel great. Both open and responsive. I think the SS may be a bit tighter on chuggy stuff, the Roxy more modern sounding. That could be down to the guitars.

I really like both, as well as Scott's A8 model.
 
stephen sawall said:
The vintage Marshalls every individual amp sounded different. Even the JMP and JCM800 have pretty different characters.

The Fryette stuff has more in common with the vintage Hiwatt sound.

We all have had plenty of different amps and know each one has it's own flavor. Each has a different vowel sound. Just think about what each vowel sounds like. AEIOU.

If you want to get closer with the Deliverance back the gain way back. Use the LESS setting. Max (full up) GAIN II. Set GAIN I in the 9 -11 o'clock range. MIDDLE, BASS and DEPTH in the 10 -1 o'clock range. And most importantly the TREBLE and PRESENCE up above 3 o'clock.
Now turn the MASTER to 11-3 o'clock range. (attenuation highly recommend, it is stupid loud)
You should be hearing a different vowel sound. More power amp saturation.

Pretty different from the typical everything 11 - 2 o'clock and MASTER at 9 - 10 o'clock settings most people use with a Fryette. The feel is pretty different also. It's still going to sound more like a Hiwatt than a Marshall. But will get you closer.
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Yes even the JCM800’s and JMP’s sound different despite others saying they’re the same based on how they look on paper, but still all those old Marshall’s all have a midrange character that is uniquely Marshall, while those Fryette’s, Hiwatt’s and Wizards have a flatter, more neutral midrange that can come off comparatively hollow (not bad per se just different)

I don’t think those amps really can be tweaked to sound like Marshall’s or Marshall’s can be tweaked to sound like them. It’s like saying I can tweak an apple to taste like a lemon just by making it more sour. Not gonna happen still
 
mhenson42 said:
I‘ve never played a real Hiwatt (I won’t count that Fortin SuperHi as a real one. Lol) but people say that about about Wizards too… no wonder they’re my favorite brands. I need to try an old Hiwatt.

as for my settings I use (and in the video I posted) on the D60, they’re very close to how you just described. though not so high on the MV and I don’t use Less mode.
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As soon as I first played my Hiwatt at volume, I was immediately reminded of the Wizards and Fryette’s. Of course not as modern voiced, but play a chord and listen to its tonal profile and the resemblance was very clear to me. It’s one of the only amps that actually sounds more open than the Wizards and bigger

Because Wizards used to always get grouped into the Marshall category I was a bit thrown off or even slightly disappointed when I first tried the MC I had because I wasn’t hearing enough Marshall, but they’re really a different category imo and great in a different kinda way than them
 
Purity said:
Can't believe I missed this thread. Sounded mean man. But...I don't see it being in your stable long. I just got rid of my MK1 a few months ago and don't miss it too much. Like you and every other Fryette fan, you're waiting for the mighty UL MK2. I'm hoping we see it in '22 just like the Bogner Uber MK2. It would make for an epic year :cool:
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Both would kill my wallet . Hopefully spaced out on release dates lol
 
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