neckplate plastic piece affects tone???

[Dallas Marlow]

Let me know what you think when you try it out!

 

[axemeaquestion]

So I remember reading about when there's that plastic piece between the metal neck plate and the wood that it affects tone - can anyone describe what changes if you take it off? TIA!

It depends on the density of the plastic piece, as well as the barometric pressure at the time the piece is removed.

 

[dstroud]

So I remember reading about when there's that plastic piece between the metal neck plate and the wood that it affects tone - can anyone describe what changes if you take it off? TIA!

It depends on the density of the plastic piece, as well as the barometric pressure at the time the piece is removed.

thanks, I'll make sure I have my device for measuring barometric pressure before I start

 

[Chris6870]

I usually comb the thrift shops for old shoes as vintage laces really make a difference.

 

[Ventura]

I usually comb the thrift shops for old shoes as vintage laces really make a difference.

Ya, but once you get the velcro straps, you can get the exact same tone as ANY vintage lace...you can even emulate the sole - rubber, plastic, leather - you can go with direct-in, or cab it. Just make sure to turn the 'sole/tread emulators' off if going through your own cab. It's crazy...I'm selling all my footwear now - even my flip-flops and winter boots. The velcro does it all, and does it better. Super convenient too, compact, take 'em anywhere... Velcro is going to revolutionize the tones of tomorrow!!

V.

 

[Chris6870]

You'll be sorry you sold off all your vintage laces. That velcro is a fad. No way that fake plastic stuff is going to replace the organic sound of laces. There is no substitute for smelly vintage laces.

 

[rottingcorpse]

You'll be sorry you sold off all your vintage laces. That velcro is a fad. No way that fake plastic stuff is going to replace the organic sound of laces. There is no substitute for smelly vintage laces.

i have also tried the used vintage lace market, but found them lacking. the older laces cannot hold up to the brutality of tonal onslaught my smelly shoes and feet. i have way too much.....tension, and found that the older used laces just break under the strain.

it's much better to go ahead and pay the premium prices for N.O.S. laces from one of the few dealers you will find in the slums of downtown mexico city. bring a gun with you, as they are known to haggle.

DO NOT remover the plastic tips, as they are the secret MOJO that's is truly need to achieve "transparent" tone. but you may need to add a noise gate to keep the "clickling" of the tips against the sides of the sneaker from being heard during recording. i know some guys use foam taped around the plastic tips, but i found that a company called "floyd upgrades"....i mean "shoe string upgrades" sells a noiseless plastic tip that has a proprietary extra plastic they coat the plastic tips with that helps to keep the "clicking" to a minimum.

 

[Ventura]

You'll be sorry you sold off all your vintage laces. That velcro is a fad. No way that fake plastic stuff is going to replace the organic sound of laces. There is no substitute for smelly vintage laces.

i have also tried the used vintage lace market, but found them lacking. the older laces cannot hold up to the brutality of tonal onslaught my smelly shoes and feet. i have way too much.....tension, and found that the older used laces just break under the strain.

it's much better to go ahead and pay the premium prices for N.O.S. laces from one of the few dealers you will find in the slums of downtown mexico city. bring a gun with you, as they are known to haggle.

DO NOT remover the plastic tips, as they are the secret MOJO that's is truly need to achieve "transparent" tone. but you may need to add a noise gate to keep the "clickling" of the tips against the sides of the sneaker from being heard during recording. i know some guys use foam taped around the plastic tips, but i found that a company called "floyd upgrades"....i mean "shoe string upgrades" sells a noiseless plastic tip that has a proprietary extra plastic they coat the plastic tips with that helps to keep the "clicking" to a minimum.

I had to stop at the NOS laces part and actually clean my laptop up from the drink that came blurting out of my mouth from laughing so hard

I'm going to go back now and re-read your post... This was too funny - thanks for the bellylaugh.

Peace,
V.

 

[Mailman1971]

You'll be sorry you sold off all your vintage laces. That velcro is a fad. No way that fake plastic stuff is going to replace the organic sound of laces. There is no substitute for smelly vintage laces.

i have also tried the used vintage lace market, but found them lacking. the older laces cannot hold up to the brutality of tonal onslaught my smelly shoes and feet. i have way too much.....tension, and found that the older used laces just break under the strain.

it's much better to go ahead and pay the premium prices for N.O.S. laces from one of the few dealers you will find in the slums of downtown mexico city. bring a gun with you, as they are known to haggle.

DO NOT remover the plastic tips, as they are the secret MOJO that's is truly need to achieve "transparent" tone. but you may need to add a noise gate to keep the "clickling" of the tips against the sides of the sneaker from being heard during recording. i know some guys use foam taped around the plastic tips, but i found that a company called "floyd upgrades"....i mean "shoe string upgrades" sells a noiseless plastic tip that has a proprietary extra plastic they coat the plastic tips with that helps to keep the "clicking" to a minimum.

You spin a good yarn....
I like the Cut of your Jib...
When you making your next Shoelace run?
I want in on the action....

 

[Ventura]

Back to rottingcorpse...

As for the plastic tips, Tag says they dirty the tone. Tag knows laces. Tag knows tread.

But seriously, as for the post a few above, velcro footwear based musicianship (VFB) is not a fad - it's evolution guys. I mean, some of my favorite players are using velcro footwear nowadays - and they're loving it. And it's not an endorsement situation, all the players using velcro footwear have to PAY for their own velcro footwear. So there's gotta be something to it - I don't think it's a fad - it's the real deal. I'm waiting for the soon-to-be released Velcro Ultra-Super. It's pretty well the same as the standard velcro footwear, but it offers a couple extra tread patterns and lace emulations, and oh ya, it costs more, so it's a must have

Tag knows tape... The tape dirties the tone. Tag said so.

V.

 

[Mailman1971]

When I play acoustic guitar...
I play barefoot....

AMAZING TONE.....

 

[Ventura]

When I play acoustic guitar...
I play barefoot....

AMAZING TONE.....

Well, Dan, c'mon buddy - that's a given. We all know that...

V.

PS - this has got to be one of my most liked threads in a long long time... I'm sorry it's gone from RT to OT, but seriously, this is a bust-a-gut thread!!

 

[Chris6870]

Well i kind of like the velcro fad. Because of it the classifieds are just full of vintage laces at cheap prices.

 

[rupe]

The trick is to intergrate some high end laces into your velcro shoes...best of both worlds.

I've found velcro to be great around the house and in the studio, but I still wear real laces for gigs and rehearsals...it might all be in my head but they just feel better to me.

 

[Heritage Softail]

All the young kids can get on with the Velcro.... I am stickin old school Laces. And it has to be genuine NOS cotton laces. Not this new production nylon blend crap. The natural cotton laces dirty up better. Granted the nylon laces may last longer... but the cotton ones have an elasticity and organic feel the new ones can't deliver...

 

[Ventura]

All the young kids can get on with the Velcro.... I am stickin old school Laces. And it has to be genuine NOS cotton laces. Not this new production nylon blend crap. The natural cotton laces dirty up better. Granted the nylon laces may last longer... but the cotton ones have an elasticity and organic feel the new ones can't deliver...

You can still keep your cotton laces, but the VFE (Velcro Footwear Enhancement) allows for true 'cotton lace' emulation. You can't tell the difference. And whereas with cotton laces you really need to run hard and get the tread soft to notice its inherent qualities, the VFB (Velcro Footwear Based) units allow you the same qualities while lounging in your living room or bedroom... No serious pounding needed to get the same intrinsic qualities, they even come with awesome user definable presets to either keep them super clean, or dirtied up.

Petrucci and Vai are all over the Velcro Footwear Movement, man. C'mon, these guys know their footwear like none other. Get with the times!!

V.

PS - I heard a rumor that the VFB models are soon going to have these air-bladder enclosures that allow the player to artificially 'inflate' their SPL levels for true tube saturation tones!! Dude, this thing is off the hook

 

[rottingcorpse]

The trick is to intergrate some high end laces into your velcro shoes...best of both worlds.

from what i understand, this is how randall's hybrid v2 and t2 shoe securing systems got their start. i had a couple of them, but was unimpressed.

i have it on good authority that fortin and diezel are looking at a NEW way to get shoe securing systems to have a more modern sound....i mean feel. tighter, better response, better feel...all while keeping up with the players...i mean wearers demands for usability.

as i have always looked toward the future for cutting edge stuff, i cannot wait until we finally have the "marty mcfly" style automatic back-to-the-future style shoes that will automatically bias our laces according to the wearers demands. imagine being able to change to different styles of socks without having to re-bias your shoes. amazing....

from what i gather, DAR is working on a system that allows the user to use weird socks that are not used often in the shoe world (some kinda russian uber-laces used by the russian military). though they have a "feel" of their own, it looks like they might have found a niche market.

i know that some "boutique" shoe builders will cover their laces in epoxy goop to try to keep their proprietary lace design secret. and i have heard some of these designers have a HUGE wait time for their laces, with some buyers actually selling their "slot" in line to buy the laces.

i may have to go back to wearing those old slip-on checkerboard vans. at least then i dont have to worry about laces or velcro at all, and can stop buying collector shoes i dont wear, and spending so much time posting idiotic crap like this on internet forums and just wear my shoes instead of talking about them.

 

[Mailman1971]

The trick is to intergrate some high end laces into your velcro shoes...best of both worlds.

from what i understand, this is how randall's hybrid v2 and t2 shoe securing systems got their start. i had a couple of them, but was unimpressed.

i have it on good authority that fortin and diezel are looking at a NEW way to get shoe securing systems to have a more modern sound....i mean feel. tighter, better response, better feel...all while keeping up with the players...i mean wearers demands for usability.

as i have always looked toward the future for cutting edge stuff, i cannot wait until we finally have the "marty mcfly" style automatic back-to-the-future style shoes that will automatically bias our laces according to the wearers demands. imagine being able to change to different styles of socks without having to re-bias your shoes. amazing....

from what i gather, DAR is working on a system that allows the user to use weird socks that are not used often in the shoe world (some kinda russian uber-laces used by the russian military). though they have a "feel" of their own, it looks like they might have found a niche market.

i know that some "boutique" shoe builders will cover their laces in epoxy goop to try to keep their proprietary lace design secret. and i have heard some of these designers have a HUGE wait time for their laces, with some buyers actually selling their "slot" in line to buy the laces.

i may have to go back to wearing those old slip-on checkerboard vans. at least then i dont have to worry about laces or velcro at all, and can stop buying collector shoes i dont wear, and spending so much time posting idiotic crap like this on internet forums and just wear my shoes instead of talking about them.

You Boutique ShoeLace snobs are all the same! Hoard all the good laces for yourself....pack them away and pull them out only to rub them in our faces.

 

[rottingcorpse]

it's not that i am hording my laces. it's just that they are such a bitch to ship, and then with the ebay and paypal fees....not to mention that they are not exactly minty fresh.

plus, most of the laces i have i love. it's hard to let them go. some of them are autographed by famous shoe guys that borrowed my laces for a gig. one used to belong to a friend. one is an albatross i cant get rid of. every time i sell it or trade it, it winds up back in my hands when the buyer sells it back to me at a insane price.

i wanna sell a couple of them to finance my dream laces, but i just cant be home enough to actually sell them.

 

[Mailman1971]

it's not that i am hording my laces. it's just that they are such a bitch to ship, and then with the ebay and paypal fees....not to mention that they are not exactly minty fresh.

plus, most of the laces i have i love. it's hard to let them go. some of them are autographed by famous shoe guys that borrowed my laces for a gig. one used to belong to a friend. one is an albatross i cant get rid of. every time i sell it or trade it, it winds up back in my hands when the buyer sells it back to me at a insane price.

i wanna sell a couple of them to finance my dream laces, but i just cant be home enough to actually sell them.

well....glad you explained yourself clearly.
Dibs on the Albatross laces.
Now do you vacuum pack the NOS laces when storing? It would be damn foolish if you didnt.
The air will slowly break down the fibers giving the tone a more 'flat' ring to it.
Plus when you mosh in the pit.....the tend to break easier.