Ola Demoing the Kemper...

[Audioholic]

So funny that Cliff is going to do profiling, cause when the kemper just started coming out, Cliff was saying it was an inferior method to get emulations, that he tried it and it wasn't good. HAHA You know all the Axe FX fan bois are sweating the Kemper, the usual players coming out. I wonder how cliff is going to implement that into his product.

I honestly think that Cliff's response is more or less timing to get people to not jump the Axe FX ship just yet. I mean think about it. Kemper just is being released in the US, to very good reception, already peeps are contemplating selling off their axe's and going kemper. and well, then cliff says oh yeah, BTW, I will be doing profiling now. haha

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Note that the Axe-Fx II does not have a microphone input so you'll have to use an external mic pre.

 

[Rogue]

So funny that Cliff is going to do profiling, cause when the kemper just started coming out, Cliff was saying it was an inferior method to get emulations, that he tried it and it wasn't good. HAHA

 

[narad]

I'm confused at all the axe hate. Both are digital amp simulation boxes, with a hell of a lot of parameters. Whether you prefer setting those parameters by hand or automatically through profiling, it's still just changing parameter values in some tiny little file somewhere. Regardless of if you have a few amps around you want profiled, you're really going to be downloading and tweaking other people's patches, just the same as with the axe. If it sounds better, it sounds better (and I do dig the sound), but profiling as a game-changer? I think not.

 

[Audioholic]

I'm confused at all the axe hate. Both are digital amp simulation boxes, with a hell of a lot of parameters. Whether you prefer setting those parameters by hand or automatically through profiling, it's still just changing parameter values in some tiny little file somewhere. Regardless of if you have a few amps around you want profiled, you're really going to be downloading and tweaking other people's patches, just the same as with the axe. If it sounds better, it sounds better (and I do dig the sound), but profiling as a game-changer? I think not.

I don't think there is any real axe Hate. most of the people who have used it really like it. I own a standard it is nice. one pet peave is that everytime cliff would update something, It generally required one to rework all of your patches cause they sounded different. The axe requires lots of tweaking to get it to sound its best. I think that is one thing that looks good on the kemper, minimum tweaking is requried to get it to sound like the amp in the room, and really that is the ultimate goal, amp in room sound, at least for me.

I think the Kemper IS a game changer, if it wasn't, why is Cliff now trying to do what the kemper is doing. surely it has gotten his attention...

 

[narad]

I think the Kemper IS a game changer, if it wasn't, why is Cliff now trying to do what the kemper is doing. surely it has gotten his attention...

I mean, it's very convenient technology, but really - let's say I heard the demo and loved it, and wanted Ola's sound. I would download his recto profile and use it exactly the same I would in downloading Ola's recto axe-fx patch from a different demo. To the average end user, it's all just getting and tweaking other people's settings.

I agree that it's annoying when an update comes and alters all the old patch tones, but that's a problem with Cliff - if Kemper updates in the hope of improving the realism of his sims, he has to change how those parameters are used by the models, and you'd have to re-profile everything in exactly the same way as you'd be annoyingly retweaking the patches by hand. If you own the amp you want to profile, that becomes easier with the Kemper approach, but if you don't (highly likely), then it's even more of a pain in the ass to arrange some hands-on time with that amp again.

 

[jcj]

Fractal's gonna have profiling on the Axe II in the future. http://forum.fractalaudio.com/lounge/46 ... post618385 and for DADA: You know, Cliff's profiling will be way better, made in America and already in a 2 space unit. It's not too late for you to apologize.






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Wow......Cliff's nutsack is going to end up around his ankles if those guys aren't careful

Cliff is a brilliant guy, I hope this pushes him to one up Kemper....and so on, and so on...win/win

 

[Audioholic]

I think the Kemper IS a game changer, if it wasn't, why is Cliff now trying to do what the kemper is doing. surely it has gotten his attention...

I mean, it's very convenient technology, but really - let's say I heard the demo and loved it, and wanted Ola's sound. I would download his recto profile and use it exactly the same I would in downloading Ola's recto axe-fx patch from a different demo. To the average end user, it's all just getting and tweaking other people's settings.

I agree that it's annoying when an update comes and alters all the old patch tones, but that's a problem with Cliff - if Kemper updates in the hope of improving the realism of his sims, he has to change how those parameters are used by the models, and you'd have to re-profile everything in exactly the same way as you'd be annoyingly retweaking the patches by hand. If you own the amp you want to profile, that becomes easier with the Kemper approach, but if you don't (highly likely), then it's even more of a pain in the ass to arrange some hands-on time with that amp again.

not sure I am folllowing you on if kemper changes things how it will effect your sounds you already have, like the axe FX does. I don't think there is a lose lose in this game, like I said I have an axe FX, and touted it as a great product for a long time. I hear its shortcomings though. As a nuetral guy, I can pick which product I go for, what I don't understand is all the axe FX guys who are coming to its defense and dismissing kemper. in the end, it comes down to realism, and playing. I am sure someone can make killer music with either. I just am intrigued about the kemper. Those Germans are pretty smart...

 

[Audioholic]

Fractal's gonna have profiling on the Axe II in the future. http://forum.fractalaudio.com/lounge/46 ... post618385 and for DADA: You know, Cliff's profiling will be way better, made in America and already in a 2 space unit. It's not too late for you to apologize.






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Wow......Cliff's nutsack is going to end up around his ankles if those guys aren't careful

Cliff is a brilliant guy, I hope this pushes him to one up Kemper....and so on, and so on...win/win

oh you know cliff will try to one up Kemper. Axe fx III shortly around the corner with a built in mic pre Wait list 6 months long, but you can buy now for 4000

 

[311boogieman]

I'll have to watch again and reread thread. I'm not sure what I'm witnessing here. So......marked

 

[Digital Jams]

Really makes me wonder the legality of this product, and just how long it will take certain amp manufacturers to try to sue. I mean Kemper is not just saying this sounds like a recto based patch, they are straight out saying, this IS a recto. HA I mean they are not copying the circuitry but I could see a lawyer arguing that they are indeed copying the sonic result of the amps and using such names and likeness to sell their product. I surely hope not. This is all new territory of course, but leave it to the lawyers to jump in

Id be willing to bet that there's not much they can do. This comes right from the same angle of not being able to pattent a circuit. If there was a liability both Peavey and Mesa would have been sued from Mike Soldano. I guess legally all they would have to do is use the usual disclaimer that they are not affiliated with (insert Amp company here)
The whole Modeling thing is a slippery slope. It's sort of like when you eat Artificial flavors lol

I think Kemper is going to make a bundle on this.

Right, but even in the Axe, you are not seeing Deizel patches, Mesa Patches, they are renamed, but close enough so you can get an darn good idea what Cliff was using as the sound source to mimick. Kemper flat out says here is a Mesa Roadking Profile. yes they have they are not affiliated with said companies, but still, there is no hiding what amp they took the sample from..

It's all wording. Even on the Axe it might say energyball but it wil clearly say elsware that it was based on an Engl Powerball. Then you have the mighty **** next to the print where they saythey have no affiliation. I guess by using the Word PROFILE they are covered. I'm pretty sure that they looked into all this stuff before they went to market or at least I hope they did

The old TGP " If you use IMO then you cannot get sued" trick

WTF is that avatar anyways?!?!?!? Nikki fucking Sikks after his latest face job?!?!?!?!?!

 

[killertone]

I call Shenanigans! Shenanigans I say!

 

[BYTOR]

The bottom line is the Axe-Fx II will have profiling soon. To go along with the great effects, amp modeling, routing options, Re-amping, IR capture feature, etc......

Cliff will put a beat down on all who dear tread on his territory. Original Gangsta. lol

 

[Juggernaut]

I'm all for the Kemper, the AFII is a great unit, but I don't like Fractals business practices and ego, also I wait 9, yes NINE months for an AFII I NEVER recieved, so I'm a little more than irritated at that, but regardless of all that BS, I think the Kemper is more my thing, I'm a plug and play guy. The AF is just too thick, too much to tweak, so much so it's retarded. But regardless I'm watching to see if Cliff can pull it off.

oh well.... it'll be fun to watch all the fanboys from either side argue over which is better. I'll be in my corner playing my CCV.

 

[Audioholic]

The bottom line is the Axe-Fx II will have profiling soon. To go along with the great effects, amp modeling, routing options, Re-amping, IR capture feature, etc......

Cliff will put a beat down on all who dear tread on his territory. Original Gangsta. lol

Sounds like you have a lot personally invested in Fractal, and that is cool. I really don't think there is a loser, and I hope both companies do well, cause that will mean more choices and tools.. I think to start taking sides and hoping for beat downs does nobody any good. competition is good and sounds like axe now has another major player

 

[killertone]

Fractal butt hurt = Splawn butt hurt from 2007.

 

[Ventura]

WTF is that avatar anyways?!?!?!? Nikki fucking Sikks after his latest face job?!?!?!?!?!

Glad you asked - it's actually prevented me from frequenting this otherwise interesting and stimulating thread.

 

[stephen sawall]

WTF is that avatar anyways?!?!?!?

No kidding when I first saw it ~ it made me twitch. Yikes~I had to look away....

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Personally I feel any and all competition as nothing but negative. The idea these or any product are in a contest is about silly to me. Either it does what you want and fits your needs and taste or it does not. "Us and them" thinking is only offensive to me....

Pretty cool that before long we will see ampfest threads here and be able to download the profiles of the amp there.... Or be able to check just about anyone's amp. Anyone's !!!

I can see in a few years this is going to be a app on your phone...

 

[Rogue]

A lot of the Kemper clips do sound good. With Cliff responding with his own profiling setup it, it's hard to argue it isn't changing the game.

The real question is, does profiling make the Axe sound worse, since it already sounds better than a real amp? It's a quandry.

 

[Audioholic]

An interesting note is that kemper is behind the vastly popular access virus synth. If any of you guys are into synths I am sure you have heard of the virus. Probably one of the coolest and best sounding synths out there and many have tried to emulate it's style. To me that is a lot of credibility stored up for kemper. Dude is not new to groundbreaking and impressive electronics.

 

[stephen sawall]

Really ... the Virus is bad ass.