Ola Demoing the Kemper...

[stephen sawall]

Download XXX's rig that was used tonight when they played at XXX for only 99cents on your phone. It could happen .... if guitars are still popular long enough....

 

[DADA]

A quote from the KPA forum i would like to share

I don't quite get the poeple who are running away and canceling their pre-orders.

I'll be honest, I'd be lieing if I claimed the announcement didn't give me pause and make me reconsider going ahead with my Kemper purchase (at least briefly), but at the same time I'm not too green to know when I'm being played by marketing either and shouldn't just kneejerk react. It was obvious it would happen sooner or later anyway.

For now I'm going to continue and put my trust in Kemper with the hope that it'll be supported and a success, that it will sound as incredible as I've heard in the clips (and to me it does sound consistently better/more natural than the Axe), and will be improved further at a quick pace.

I like it's form factor because I like easy to use well designed physical user interfaces as much as software ones. I like that it's cheaper than the Axe. I like that as of tomorrow it'll be available to use rather than another "future" promise to wait for. I like how Access has handled support of the Virus and expect similar for the KPA. Mostly I like how it sounds better to my ears. None of that's changed. At the same time nor does any of that detract from the awesome features of the Axe, both units are incredible, it's just that on balance as things stand right now I still prefer the Kemper option and I'm still just as excited by it as I ever was.

And I love this. From Ola Englund

Announcement to my dear friends of Facebook:
I think I've actually come to the point where messages, friend requests, comments pile up beyond my ability where I can handle them all.
So if you feel you don't get answers to a question or a message, it's not because I hate you or don't like you. It's just that I'm busy profiling 120 metal amps for Kemper Amps. Time has become my enemy, but I still want to help out the best I can.

With that said, I love you all, hope you understand my situation...

The future has begun. 120 Metal amps to choose from

 

[Reiep]

At least some nice explicit videos of the Kemper, without too much bla bla. Me gusta. And furthermore it really sounds great, until now the clips with higher gain weren't that good.

But... well... too much buttons/parameters for me unfortunately, I hope it won't turn like the Axe with too much tweaking. That why I sold it. Eventually, second hand or even better a smaller read only Kemper would be awesome.

 

[Audioholic]

Yes Kemper is behind the virus, like I said that is an insane amount of clout. I har the access virus TI. It is amazing. And i have gotten updates and new sounds etc. really makes me more secur in Kemper and their know how. Yes I also would love a less tweaking option. Cliffs timing on his announcement is good for him. But I can't believe people are canceling their orders because it seems like it won't work quite like Kemper and the fact that cliff said it didn't sound as good as his current method doesn't give it credibility beyond trying to react and take away kempers success. Add into that the crazy axe fanboys claiming world domination and down with Kemper is kinda annoying. Ha. So awesome ola is profiling metal amps. Gonna be a real viable option against the axe.

 

[ejecta]

So funny that Cliff is going to do profiling, cause when the kemper just started coming out, Cliff was saying it was an inferior method to get emulations, that he tried it and it wasn't good.

Look I think Cliff acts like an infant throwing a fit sometimes on forums but I have to say in this instance that's not quite accurate as you present it. What he said in a nut shell was he preferred the modeling over profiling method since it was more flexible. It's obvious to me given the feature set of each..... flexibility was a major thing the Axe was designed for and more plug and capturing a specific amp rig is Kempers main thing. Both have disadvantages and advantages.


From the thread quoted above.

There are advantages/disadvantages to both techniques:

The disadvantage to modeling is that the model is only as good as the cabinet IR and many people have no idea what cabinet to use with a model. There's also the issue of speaker interaction. Since the speaker is unknown, the interaction is an educated guess. If you want an exact replica of the amp/cab combination some adjustment of the speaker resonance parameters is required and many people aren't comfortable with those adjustments.

The disadvantage to profiling is you only get the amp at one setting. Also, the tone controls, etc. are not accurate and you have no idea where they were set when the profile was created.

After using both I still prefer modeling and can get better tones with modeling. For the plug-n-play types, profiling may be preferable.

Sounds like to me what he is saying now falls in line with what he has said all along.

 

[Audioholic]

So funny that Cliff is going to do profiling, cause when the kemper just started coming out, Cliff was saying it was an inferior method to get emulations, that he tried it and it wasn't good.

Look I think Cliff acts like an infant throwing a fit sometimes on forums but I have to say in this instance that's not quite accurate as you present it. What he said in a nut shell was he preferred the modeling over profiling method since it was more flexible. It's obvious to me given the feature set of each..... flexibility was a major thing the Axe was designed for and more plug and capturing a specific amp rig is Kempers main thing. Both have disadvantages and advantages.


From the thread quoted above.

There are advantages/disadvantages to both techniques:

The disadvantage to modeling is that the model is only as good as the cabinet IR and many people have no idea what cabinet to use with a model. There's also the issue of speaker interaction. Since the speaker is unknown, the interaction is an educated guess. If you want an exact replica of the amp/cab combination some adjustment of the speaker resonance parameters is required and many people aren't comfortable with those adjustments.

The disadvantage to profiling is you only get the amp at one setting. Also, the tone controls, etc. are not accurate and you have no idea where they were set when the profile was created.

After using both I still prefer modeling and can get better tones with modeling. For the plug-n-play types, profiling may be preferable.

Sounds like to me what he is saying now falls in line with what he has said all along.

I have seen that recently but I was more or less referring to cliffs response when Kemper first came out. Cliff. Didnt really tout the benifits of both like he is now doing because well he is also gonna implement it. Before it es pretty much it sounded inferior. This was like a year ago Now he is back peddling a bit. If I am wrong then please correct but from memory when Kemper was just getting announces. Cliff said he tried it and didn't like it

 

[Rogue]

Will the profiling AxeFX cost more than the regular AxeFX?

 

[Audioholic]

Will the profiling AxeFX cost more than the regular AxeFX?

I am sure it will be a free update but what the cannot do is let u plug a mic right in. Which honestly isnt a big deal cause most poeple will be using external probably better mic pres

 

[ejecta]

I have seen that recently but I was more or less referring to cliffs response when Kemper first came out. Cliff. Didnt really tout the benifits of both like he is now doing because well he is also gonna implement it. Before it es pretty much it sounded inferior. This was like a year ago Now he is back peddling a bit. If I am wrong then please correct but from memory when Kemper was just getting announces. Cliff said he tried it and didn't like it

I really didn't read what he said back then that way either. It seemed to me then that he felt the flexibility of his approach is what he thought was better than the profiling. Looks like some Axe users would like to profile their amps so he is putting that in there. Seems to me now he is just giving his customers what they want. People can read things differently. It's really no biggie I was just giving my perspective of what I've read him say about modeling vs profiling.

Either way.... it's cool that competition is pushing things. Will the Axe2 profiling be as good or as flexible as the Kemper? Who knows.

I was going to pick up a Kemper to try out but now I'll just wait and see what happens with my Axe2. If it's lame I'll pick up the Kemper and have the best of both worlds.

Will the profiling AxeFX cost more than the regular AxeFX?

If I'm understanding right it will come in a future software version for the Axe FX2.

 

[Ventura]

An interesting note is that kemper is behind the vastly popular access virus synth. If any of you guys are into synths I am sure you have heard of the virus. Probably one of the coolest and best sounding synths out there and many have tried to emulate it's style. To me that is a lot of credibility stored up for kemper. Dude is not new to groundbreaking and impressive electronics.

 

[Piero the Guitarero]

I really didn't read what he said back then that way either.

Posted by Cliff over at the Fractal Forum ....

I highly doubt it does nonlinear convolution since that only works for "weak" nonlinearities, clipping cannot be done using Volterra kernels without a prohibitive number of terms and dynamic convolution (i.e. Sintefex) simply doesn't work.

My guess is that it works the way I used to do amp modeling and has the acquisition/analysis functions built-in. Using the EQ->waveshape->EQ paradigm there's probably a built in sweep generator and mic input. The generator sweeps the D.U.T., measures the response and calculates the corresponding EQs.

I've long since moved away from this approach due to the many inadequacies.

If it is doing some non-linear convolution then it could be revolutionary, but I doubt that will be the case since there hasn't been any breakthroughs in that technology.

I'm still a proponent of physical modeling as that allows one to create anew rather than just copying

The next step in amp modeling?..

 

[ejecta]

I really didn't read what he said back then that way either.

Posted by Cliff over at the Fractal Forum ....

I highly doubt it does nonlinear convolution since that only works for "weak" nonlinearities, clipping cannot be done using Volterra kernels without a prohibitive number of terms and dynamic convolution (i.e. Sintefex) simply doesn't work.

My guess is that it works the way I used to do amp modeling and has the acquisition/analysis functions built-in. Using the EQ->waveshape->EQ paradigm there's probably a built in sweep generator and mic input. The generator sweeps the D.U.T., measures the response and calculates the corresponding EQs.

I've long since moved away from this approach due to the many inadequacies.

If it is doing some non-linear convolution then it could be revolutionary, but I doubt that will be the case since there hasn't been any breakthroughs in that technology.

I'm still a proponent of physical modeling as that allows one to create anew rather than just copying

The next step in amp modeling?..

Yep like I said....

I'm still a proponent of physical modeling as that allows one to create anew rather than just copying.

he likes the the flexibility to "create anew" rather than "copying" a specific rig set up.

 

[Audioholic]

I guess I took away cliff saying he tried it ad found it in adequite and he moved far beyond that as an I silt to this idea. But looks like he is having to return to his old ways to compete with Kemper

 

[Rogue]

I guess the profiler is needed for those that couldn't dial it in right.

 

[ejecta]

I guess the profiler is needed for those that couldn't dial it in right.

 

[fearhk213]

I guess I took away cliff saying he tried it ad found it in adequite and he moved far beyond that as an I silt to this idea. But looks like he is having to return to his old ways to compete with Kemper

I remember seeing posts like this from Cliff when the Kemper was first being discussed. I got the impression he was basically dismissing it as old, inferior technology as well.

I'm definitely curious to see what he'll come up with profiling wise cause while I always found the Axe the best modeler I've used, it was not without flaws (I have not played the Axe II).

 

[Audioholic]

on a side note, I sound like a drunk uneducated bafoon when posting from my phone. Geez, fat fingers with autocorrect = no good..

 

[Ventura]

on a side note, I sound like a drunk uneducated bafoon when posting from my phone. Geez, fat fingers with autocorrect = no good..

But you know what gets me?? WHY am I COMPELLED to have to participate in this forum when all I've got is my phone?!?!? This place... I swear it's a sick obsession.

Mo

 

[Rogue]

on a side note, I sound like a drunk uneducated bafoon when posting from my phone. Geez, fat fingers with autocorrect = no good..

I was texting ejecta about a Friedman modded amp and it changed it to fried man. I got a kick out of it.

 

[ejecta]

on a side note, I sound like a drunk uneducated bafoon when posting from my phone. Geez, fat fingers with autocorrect = no good..

I was texting ejecta about a Friedman modded amp and it changed it to fried man. I got a kick out of it.

I've been a fried man plenty o' times.